Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#10

[redheadedgal]

I can't for some reason quote your post, but this is for @redhead regarding the laughter:

noooooo, I was laughing because I was laughing at myself that I didn't read the comments! Sigh.

:facepalm:

I guess I'm being accused of "hatred for Amanda" even when I'm laughing at my own mistakes!
:facepalm:

i deleted b/c i realized my mistake (again).

sorry

 

[SMK]

i need a browser with automatic translating for this case... why wasn't it mentioned BEFORE??? :tantrum:

lol

i will look into downloading Chrome -- thanks SMK :loveyou:

Yes, download Google Chrome. They also have translate plug ins. I used to have to click on something to translate, but then I clicked on "always translate pages like this into English", and presto!!!:great::great:

 

[SMK]

Oh, it's ok I didn't mean to put SMK on the spot either, sorry SMK! I guess everyone was and probably still is required to rely on machine translations of those tweets, I just realized now. So double thanks to Otto and SMK for translating them for us too!

I believe I saw somewhere that there is an English translation of Crini's argument posted on Amanda Knox site - so do we know, is that from her own machine translation, or did someone "hand translate" that?

Does one group translate and then disseminate them to all parties?

This is getting confusing.

No worries. I assume Amanda herself translated the Crini, as she is fluent in Italian at this point.

 

[aa9511]

It's OK , I understand. I have something on Google Chrome which automatically translates into English. Otto was posting from La Nazzione on Twitter, and then he took a break or something - I went to the link, and the tweets were coming up automatically translated. I copy pasted them, addedd the link, and that's how they got here. I guess I should have said, "via Google Chrome, automatic Italian to English":blushing:

bbm

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

If a "layperson" were reading on here, they'd be like, whoa!! So technical and concise!

 

[aa9511]

i need a browser with automatic translating for this case... why wasn't it mentioned BEFORE??? :tantrum:

lol

i will look into downloading Chrome -- thanks SMK :loveyou:

Just wondering for the folks who have it - does it make your computers run slower? Because someone told me not to download it or it will make my computer run really slowly.....but I have an "old" laptop, so maybe that's why.....

 

[aa9511]

i deleted b/c i realized my mistake (again).

sorry

It's ok, I understand. You know, sometimes I try to type in some feeling or some expression, but it doesn't quite "translate" quite right.

:drumroll::drumroll:

I just put the drumroll there b/c I love that emoticon!

 

[SMK]

Just wondering for the folks who have it - does it make your computers run slower? Because someone told me not to download it or it will make my computer run really slowly.....but I have an "old" laptop, so maybe that's why.....

Actually, my laptop runs very quickly ( it's a Dell , about 3 yrs old) but am not sure how yours would react....

 

[redheadedgal]

Just wondering for the folks who have it - does it make your computers run slower? Because someone told me not to download it or it will make my computer run really slowly.....but I have an "old" laptop, so maybe that's why.....

try searching "google chrome slows down computer"... and see if there is any information that pertains to your operating system (windows XP or 7 or whatever it is)... maybe you'll find some helpful information.

also, if there are programs/software on your laptop that you don't use, you can delete them, which might allow for better speed. and when was your last cleanup/virus check? that can really slow down one's system!

:drumroll::drumroll: >>>> just for you! lol

 

[aa9511]

No worries. I assume Amanda herself translated the Crini, as she is fluent in Italian at this point.

Hmmm....that's interesting. But what about the Massei report and all the other things she has on her website...I doubt she would translate it all herself!

Was there a single company that translated all the important documents in this case, like Massei report, etc.?

If not, I wish there had been one single group responsible for all the translations, and then they could disseminate to all parties who requested.

But then there's the issue of who pays that group and who selects them, and then someone would probably accuse them of having an agenda (either side) and "favoring" one side over another.

 

[aa9511]

try searching "google chrome slows down computer"... and see if there is any information that pertains to your operating system (windows XP or 7 or whatever it is)... maybe you'll find some helpful information.

also, if there are programs/software on your laptop that you don't use, you can delete them, which might allow for better speed. and when was your last cleanup/virus check? that can really slow down one's system!

Thank you, I will check all of that out. I'm dreaming of the day when I can upgrade....to one of those shiny new laptops! (I am easy bait for advertisers)

Thanks for the drumrolls!!

 

[SMK]

Hmmm....that's interesting. But what about the Massei report and all the other things she has on her website...I doubt she would translate it all herself!

Was there a single company that translated all the important documents in this case, like Massei report, etc.?

If not, I wish there had been one single group responsible for all the translations, and then they could disseminate to all parties who requested.

But then there's the issue of who pays that group and who selects them, and then someone would probably accuse them of having an agenda (either side) and "favoring" one side over another.

Good question - yes, as Salem pointed out, virtually ALL the translations to date seem to have come from either pro-guilt or pro-innocence sites, and hence are all somewhat "suspect".

 

[aa9511]

I have noticed that Amanda seems to be keeping up-to-date on cases regarding purported innocent people being wrongly convicted (still jailed or recently freed).

This troubles me, from a guilty standpoint. Because she can then use possible "real" examples and blend it into her own story.

I did notice that in her court letter, she used statistics on how many people who were convicted and then subsequently exonerated, of those how many were the result of "extracted confessions."

It is very easy to follow these cases online nowadays, and to sort of "study" what things that innocent person said or did, and what happened in their cases.

But anyway, that's just a thought that popped into my mind.

 

[SMK]

I have noticed that Amanda seems to be keeping up-to-date on cases regarding purported innocent people being wrongly convicted (still jailed or recently freed).

This troubles me, from a guilty standpoint. Because she can then use possible "real" examples and blend it into her own story.

I did notice that in her court letter, she used statistics on how many people who were convicted and then subsequently exonerated, of those how many were the result of "extracted confessions."

It is very easy to follow these cases online nowadays, and to sort of "study" what things that innocent person said or did, and what happened in their cases.

But anyway, that's just a thought that popped into my mind.

I know what you mean. Since I waver between leaning toward belief she is guilty/suspicion she is innocent I can view it from both sides:

On the one hand, if she is innocent: Then she is appropriately aligning herself with fellow victims of wrongful arrest/conviction ; she is rightly saying, "Look, there are others like me, other victims who have been through what I have."

On the other hand, if she is culpable, then it becomes a kind of camoflouge and hiding in plain sight. And a useful tool to convince others that she is one of the victims.

 

[SMK]

So I am assuming that Crini feels the phones indicate a later murder and a later time of death (not the 9:20 of Ron Hendry analysis which I became so accustomed to):

Crini: Closing Arguments : The 2 cell phones

word document downloaded from Amanda Knox

This is a known fact because they have been found in this garden, and basically they were already in that garden shortly after [the murder] because there is that short message [SMS] from that English [male] friend to Meredith, telling her how she was fine in her fancy dress the evening before. And that is something [the message] that goes around midnight [exactly at 00:10].

Now, it is a sensible argument that when these phones are stolen, a theft surely linked to the need, let us say the intent, of presenting a representation of this fact as a theft, a theft that however already at this phase is so much unrealistic that the phones are immediately thrown away, something which is completely outside our professional experience, because usually when we have a phone theft and we then analyze … we search the possessors through the phone records, we charge of possession of stolen goods those who have the [SIM] cards, which evidently move around [from people to people].
Here instead the anomaly is that these [phones] are stolen and immediately thrown away. From a certain point of view it has a meaning – doesn’t it? – since a switched on phone speaks, in the sense that can be traced [and located], of course it is rather … it would be rather ill-advised to keep it, perhaps even switched on, as it was when it was thrown away, and hence if one has no interest in keeping them, it is better to get rid of them as soon as possible. And this is exactly what happened. So the fact that the phone … that this theft is a moment belonging to the flagrancy of the murder crime [meaning “at the same time of”] is proved by how the phones were subsequently managed.

Hence we are not talking about phones that may have … hypothetically, may have left the house six, seven, ten hours later. No, we are talking about phones that, since they were around midnight in Lana’s garden, surely left the house … I mean, most likely they left the house contextually with the murder. Hence this aspect too somehow gives plausibility to the possibility that 10:13 pm is a moment that has in some way to already belong [be strictly connected] to the crime, otherwise the timeline becomes incoherent with respect to the tow truck and the associated stuff [broken car, etc.].

ETA: MASSEI P 331

"In the Court’s mind, the reason for the fear of the phones was quite different [than being pinged]... It is due to the need to eliminate the two devices [mobile phones] from the scene of the crime to prevent the possibility of their being called, essentially by relatives, within too small a time-span with respect to the [time of] death. The ringing of a mobile phone which had been left in the room would have created the risk, in fact, of drawing attention before time, and of greatly advancing the [time of] discovery of Meredith’s body. "

Can anyone think of why they would not simply have turned the cell phones off???

 

[MichaelSmith]

Isolating this quote from your article, I did not note this finding in Stephanoni's power point and I was wondering if the mop was in fact tested for dna:

Also, consistent with a single attacker holding his hand tightly over her mouth and nose from behind.

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

On another note, I was looking at the following excerpt from Mark Waterbury's book and he mentions that various residents of the cottage were away due to All Saints day and Rudy may have been aware since he knew the guys downstairs…that night of the month was when rent money was gathered together usually in cash. It was a common night for break ins.

pg 7 & 8

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/sample/read/2940012628664

The mop was Rep 168 and tested negative. It was found near the closet. Stefanoni then gift wrapped it with wrapping paper she'd found and walked it into the murder room. :facepalm:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/e-grams.html

Forensic Expert Patrizia Stefanoni Gift Wraps A Mop - Amanda Knox Case - YouTube

 

[Amber29]

So I am assuming that Crini feels the phones indicate a later murder and a later time of death (not the 9:20 of Ron Hendry analysis which I became so accustomed to):



ETA: MASSEI P 331

"In the Court’s mind, the reason for the fear of the phones was quite different [than being pinged]... It is due to the need to eliminate the two devices [mobile phones] from the scene of the crime to prevent the possibility of their being called, essentially by relatives, within too small a time-span with respect to the [time of] death. The ringing of a mobile phone which had been left in the room would have created the risk, in fact, of drawing attention before time, and of greatly advancing the [time of] discovery of Meredith’s body. "

Can anyone think of why they would not simply have turned the cell phones off???

The taking of the phones has always been strange to me.

IMO there was just no need for RG as the "lone wolf burglar" to throw the phones away at all. Simply removing the SIM card would've been sufficient if he stole them for money or whatever. So what would've been another reason to take those phones for RG?
I don't take RG at his word because I think he's a liar but he said when he got to his house he had to wash his hands because they had blood all over them. Why was there no blood on the phones?

 

[MichaelSmith]

Here is the tweet from the presenations about the attack:

The Nation @ qn_lanazione 1m
Process Meredith, lawyer Dalla Vedova (Knox): "The victim was attacked from the front, not from behind" # meredithnazione
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The Nation @ qn_lanazione 2m

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

I thought about this some more and if he said that then I'm guessing they have to stick with what their expert Introna said. That was another one of his mistakes like saying the bra had been cut when it had been ripped off imo.

 

[Harmony 2]

The mop was Rep 168 and tested negative. It was found near the closet. Stefanoni then gift wrapped it with wrapping paper she'd found and walked it into the murder room. :facepalm:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/e-grams.html

Forensic Expert Patrizia Stefanoni Gift Wraps A Mop - Amanda Knox Case - YouTube

Hi Michael and thank you for that information!
Do you know the results of the fingerprints found on Meredith's cell phone?

Richard Owen in Perugia and Rajeev Syal
Last updated at 12:00AM, November 5 2007
Italian police have found a set of fingerprints on mobile phones belonging to Meredith Kercher, the British student found dead on Friday, which they believe will lead to her murderer.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article2596149.ece

 

[Harmony 2]

I thought about this some more and if he said that then I'm guessing they have to stick with what their expert Introna said. That was another one of his mistakes like saying the bra had been cut when it had been ripped off imo.

We also don't know the context of that statement and what else was stated or even what it was in reference to. If that is what the defense is claiming then I disagree. At some point he had to be behind her when considering the following from Massei:

pg. 141

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

As for the breaking of the hyoid bone, this would have taken place ‚in the moment when the victim is in an all fours position on the floor – we have the victim already wounded in the face, the subject cut off her bra from the back, there are some moments which escape us, which could have been the recognising of the aggressor ...words spoken...(12) – the aggressor moves from the attempt at violence to the murder and stabs the victim, who is now on the floor, with the knife held in dagger fashion.

 

[aa9511]

So I am assuming that Crini feels the phones indicate a later murder and a later time of death (not the 9:20 of Ron Hendry analysis which I became so accustomed to):

ETA: MASSEI P 331

"In the Court’s mind, the reason for the fear of the phones was quite different [than being pinged]... It is due to the need to eliminate the two devices [mobile phones] from the scene of the crime to prevent the possibility of their being called, essentially by relatives, within too small a time-span with respect to the [time of] death. The ringing of a mobile phone which had been left in the room would have created the risk, in fact, of drawing attention before time, and of greatly advancing the [time of] discovery of Meredith’s body. "

Can anyone think of why they would not simply have turned the cell phones off???[/QUOTE]

I posted my answer the last time you asked this question. So either you didn't get a chance to read it, or didn't think it was good enough

I believe, in fact strongly believe, that it's because of the fact that both Raffaele and Amanda's cell phones were already turned off.

By also turning off Meredith's cell phone, they would be left with the situation of THREE CELL PHONE OFF on the night of the murder - Raffaele, Amanda, and Meredith's.

Imagine how that would sound for Amanda and Raffaele if the investigators were to happen upon that information.