Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[Katody]

Amanda posted new transcripts from December hearings:

http://www.amandaknox.com/2014/01/08/kercher-knox-closing-arguments/

 

[SMK]

I want to understand. So they shut down the video they watched and decide "time to prank a robbery prank on poor Meredith". Where is Guede in all this? Do they meet him on the way by accident? OK, let's say the guy barely knows the two girls but agrees to join in. Now what? They enter and Guede suddenly rapes Meredith?

I'm not asking for much. I just want to see something plausible psychologically. Maybe I'm asking for too much.

You have a right to ask for a plausible explanation.

What I can imagine is a prank, perhaps thought about in the afternoon with AK and RS, and then later, Guede is invited in. They mean it as a joke, but it is Meredith's unanticipated rage which perhaps fuels a drugged-up feeling of humiliation which seems to them to be unbearable (in that moment).

 

[aa9511]

Here's the actual Skype interview with Meo Ponte published today.
http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2014/01/09/news/l_ultima_battaglia_di_amanda_knox_stavolta_sar_assolta_poi_incontrer_i_genitori_di_meredith-75463481/

Can someone tell me how to do Google translate on this? TIA.

 

[aa9511]

It doesn't make the staging theory stronger.

Having some experience in staging burglaries she would have at least staged the theft of the laptops. JMO.

But we don't know what they "took" and didn't take in the "prank burglary," In her response to the comment, she says they messed stuff up....kind of like the way they messed stuff up in Filomena's room without actually taking anything.

 

[Myvice]

If MK and AK had been battling as suggested by her sister, maybe AK thought pulling a prank would lighten that mood. When MK didn't think it was funny, AK may have felt slighted for making the effort to make amends.

They could easily have met RG as he was walking to the clubs and invited him in for a drug purchase. They had not planned on being free that night so may have needed to make a purchase. Of course just my speculation...but wow, SMK, that sure puts another twist on things. Thanks for posting it.

 

[Katody]

You have a right to ask for a plausible explanation.

What I can imagine is a prank, perhaps thought about in the afternoon with AK and RS, and then later, Guede is invited in. They mean it as a joke, but it is Meredith's unanticipated rage which perhaps fuels a drugged-up feeling of humiliation which seems to them to be unbearable (in that moment).

Why would Guede feel "unbearable humiliation" to the point of raping and murdering in front of witnesses he doesn't even know? He seems a calm, calculating and manipulative type. Just recall how he behaved when caught burgling in Milan or how audaciously he went to visit the lawyer's office from which he stole.

 

[quesarita]

Can someone tell me how to do Google translate on this? TIA.

I use google chrome as a browser and when I click on the link, there's a button at the top of the page that says "translate".

But the translation was terrible, barely readable even with lots of interpolation. Often the meaning seems the opposite of what must have been said. IMO

 

[aa9511]

I am recalling how Guede talked about MK complaining and shouting that Amanda had stolen her money-- It may have been a prank; Amanda may have planned to give the money back and was caught off guard by Meredith's anger (she did have her period; maybe she was feeling poorly and not receptive to a prank)....and I read in Burleigh's book how Amanda kept pranking her father-- all of this is actually profoundly sad.

And then Meredith's remark to her sister about how they argued (earlier the afternoon of the murder), though I'm not sure if that is true or not, but it was in that book which you quoted yesterday....Follain.

 

[Katody]

But we don't know what they "took" and didn't take in the "prank burglary," In her response to the comment, she says they messed stuff up....kind of like the way they messed stuff up in Filomena's room without actually taking anything.

Even the dumbest stager would know to take the laptops that were in full view.
IMO.

 

[Katody]

And then Meredith's remark to her sister about how they argued (earlier the afternoon of the murder), though I'm not sure if that is true or not, but it was in that book which you quoted yesterday....Follain.

It was not the afternoon of the murder. IMO it didn't happen at all. Amazon reviews of Follain's book list endless lies and manipulations.

 

[SMK]

If MK and AK had been battling as suggested by her sister, maybe AK thought pulling a prank would lighten that mood. When MK didn't think it was funny, AK may have felt slighted for making the effort to make amends.

They could easily have met RG as he was walking to the clubs and invited him in for a drug purchase. They had not planned on being free that night so may have needed to make a purchase. Of course just my speculation...but wow, SMK, that sure puts another twist on things. Thanks for posting it.

BBM - good insight. Because she was used to doing this with her father (sad that it was necessary; he must have been a negligent father) and it would seem natural to, as you say, try and lighten the mood.

And all the more humiliating if Meredith became even MORE angry. To me, all the pieces fall into place with this idea. For the first time, Rudy's story about Meredith's anger - which Guede seemed to be awkwardly listening to - has a basis in reality. And to think, Crini has only the unflushed toilet theory, while this key of key, this light of lights has escaped him :tears:

 

[aa9511]

It seems to me you will twist and interpret against her everything she or anyone says. That's what is left when the actual case the Perugians concocted is garbage. JMO.

When I see a pattern in her behavior, I say so.

 

[aa9511]

Yes - that is all quite true.

And you also have to recall what Guede said, about Meredith getting into a quite angry state because she couldn't find the rent money - if Amanda intended it as a joke, and then Meredith reacted in a way which Amanda had not anticipated, and you throw some drugs and drinking in, it could have been a fatal mix.

It certainly makes more psychological sense than Crini's unflushed toilet fight :notgood:

Very perceptive.

Personally, I still think it began as a sort of teasing of Meredith, which she didn't respond well to and it annoyed her, and it escalated from there.

But your theory also makes a lot of sense.

 

[SMK]

And then Meredith's remark to her sister about how they argued (earlier the afternoon of the murder), though I'm not sure if that is true or not, but it was in that book which you quoted yesterday....Follain.

Yes - and as Myvice points out, the argument of the afternoon may have made Amanda think that a prank was in order: To me, pranks are passive-aggressive. They seek to lighten the mood, but also poke at the person a bit. And sometimes the recipient reacts with rage - which is quite humiliating to the pranker, I would imagine.

 

[aa9511]

No, of course it doesn't make sense. It would be tragic; truly a human tragedy - a terrible prank-gone-awry, which brought out the worst in the participants, and brought to a head and unleashed things which had never been intended. Think of Hamlet and Horatio, putting on the play for Claudius. And then Hamlet stabs Polonius and almost rapes his mother.

Think of the dark stories Amanda could write from her new experience......

 

[Katody]

BBM - good insight. Because she was used to doing this with her father (sad that it was necessary; he must have been a negligent father) and it would seem natural to, as you say, try and lighten the mood.

And all the more humiliating if Meredith became even MORE angry. To me, all the pieces fall into place with this idea. For the first time, Rudy's story about Meredith's anger - which Guede seemed to be awkwardly listening to - has a basis in reality. And to think, Crini has only the unflushed toilet theory, while this key of key, this light of lights has escaped him :tears:

It would be demolished in court faster than you can say "Mignini is an old pervert". No testimony from sister or British girls about any tension. Than we're back to the usual lack of credible timeline or forensic evidence.

 

[SMK]

Very perceptive.

Personally, I still think it began as a sort of teasing of Meredith, which she didn't respond well to and it annoyed her, and it escalated from there.

But your theory also makes a lot of sense.

But we are saying the same thing :giggle: We are both saying that Amanda took the rent money as a "staged prank" , and perhaps almost a pathetic way to get Meredith's love and attention, as she did with her Dad. And then Meredith blows up, and now the humiliation is beyond bearing. Aren't we arguing the same theory, aa9511?

 

[aa9511]

Not true. See Filomena's testimony.

As I mentioned, I read it somewhere but stated clearly that I could not remember where. So take it or leave it.

 

[SMK]

It would be demolished in court faster than you can say "Mignini is an old pervert". No testimony from sister or British girls about any tension. Than we're back to the usual lack of credible timeline and forensic evidence.

Mayhap....mayhap :waitasec: But let's not worry about it. "Heaven will direct it. "

 

[quesarita]

Yes - and as Myvice points out, the argument of the afternoon may have made Amanda think that a prank was in order: To me, pranks are passive-aggressive. They seek to lighten the mood, but also poke at the person a bit. And sometimes the recipient reacts with rage - which is quite humiliating to the pranker, I would imagine.

The argument of the afternoon is only an idea, a theory, a made up scenario; in that no one saw it, it wasn't reported by the friends Meredith spent the evening with, and the quoted sister's memory in Follain (which I read and it sounds very unrealistic) did not happen the day of the murder. If Meredith did indeed mention a quarrel with Amanda to her sister, it was before the afternoon in question.