Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[SMK]

I don't think there's a hood. The head is considerably darker then the jacket which ends at shoulder line. No hood.

It's quite well established what Meredith was wearing on the way home.

OK - I must have very bad eyes, as to me it looks like a light jacket with the light hood up

 

[Katody]

OK - I must have very bad eyes, as to me it looks like a light jacket with the light hood up

I watched again and must say that what I thought was a head seems more like video compression artifact. The head of the figure is not visible, obscured by the structure of the parking lot.
Meredith had a light colored jacket, jeans and a large light colored bag that is visible in the crime scene photos. The time of her appearance in the video very well coincides with witness statements.
I think it's very likely it's her.

 

[SMK]

I watched again and must say that what I thought was a head seems more like video compression artifact. The head of the figure is not visible, obscured by the structure of the parking lot.
Meredith had a light colored jacket, jeans and a large light colored bag that is visible in the crime scene photos. The time of her appearance in the video very well coincides with witness statements.
I think it's very likely it's her.

OK, I see now. I had actually viewed the person as walking from the right of the screen to the left. Now I see she is going in the opposite direction, and I do sort of see dark hair (where as before, I had seen a person kind of slouching, with a light hoodie on ). So if her - and it looks as though it is - she got home shortly after 9 pm. What time is the Guede cctv supposed to be?

 

[quesarita]

OK, I see now. I had actually viewed the person as walking from the right of the screen to the left. Now I see she is going in the opposite direction, and I do sort of see dark hair (where as before, I had seen a person kind of slouching, with a light hoodie on ). So if her - and it looks as though it is - she got home shortly after 9 pm. What time is the Guede cctv supposed to be?

The time stamp says 19:41.

 

[aa9511]

This was the book that talks about burglars using the toilet in the places they're robbing.

Amazon.com: Burglars On The Job eBook: Gilbert Geis, Scott H. Decker, Richard T. Wright: Kindle Store

Thanks.

 

[SMK]

The time stamp says 19:41.

So before 8 pm, if that is Guede.

 

[aa9511]

Already answered. Read again please.

I don't share your opinion.


Simple. I find what you suggest not probable at all. Unlikely he would retrace his own prints and even more unlikely any "disturbance" would be discernible, given the already partial nature of the prints. It's ok if you disagree



It was a logic of an rather unsuccessful burglar and first time murderer, probably panicked and possibly drugged.

Agreed.

I agree that it wasn't tipped. It was overstuffed and shaken. The outer stack of clothes fell. The clothes fallen below the shelf are still folded. Nothing else in the room is disturbed. Not the table, not the boxes, not the drawers. No one 'rummaged' there.

There was no choking.

-Ok, I see now. So there was no rummaging. He just closed the shutters and then I guess immediately went to the large bathroom.
I disagree, but respect your viewpoint. I think there is definite evidence of rummaging in Filomena's room, so either Rudy did that or Amanda/RS did that. In lone-wolf, it could only have been Rudy. And IMO, he would have to have done it before the murder, so he would have left the light on.
I also do not think he would go through the trouble of keeping the lights off and closing the shutters, etc.. As I said before, the #2 tells me that he was not concerned about anyone coming home.
So I respectfully disagree, I think Meredith would have seen signs of someone before she reached all the way to her room, and the struggle in lone-wolf would have began before her bedroom, and perhaps ended before her bedroom. Because why would Rudy care to rape/murder her in her own bedroom? I do not believe it would have been solely contained to Meredith's bedroom.

-I think there would be no other reason for him to close the shutters back. That would mean he was being careful, whereas at other times we see he was clearly not careful (#2).

-Yes, we disagree. For the reason that the space is so small to begin with. Especially the hallway! So I would definately think he woudl have at least stepped back over some of the footprints - I'm not saying EXACTLY, I'm saying just step over some in a general way. The result would be that the original footprint would not be in exact shape of a footprint, it would be disturbed. The footsteps would have been made with blood which was wet at the time, so I think they would have been easily smudged/disturbed.

-"It was a logic of an rather unsuccessful burglar and first time murderer, probably panicked and possibly drugged." - But this is the same criticism many have with the Amanda/RS theory - people say at times they were so careful and "calculating," and yet at other times they seemingly made careless mistakes. In the beginning, RUdy seems to be a very successful burglar - scaling the wall, entering the window without leaving any traces of himself, closing back the shutters, leaving the lights off....but then suddenly he turns into a druggie and panicky novice - and goes and takes a #2 in the toilet, in the dark or in the light, we do not know.
He then suddenly turns professional again, and is very careful about his cleaning-up in the bathroom, taking care not to leave any traces of himself and no real mess. Taking the keys, locking the door, which required forethought. Taking the phones, also requiring forethought. Putting the duvet over her. Getting the towels.
Yet he forgets his #2. And maybe he locks the front door, maybe he doesnt. And then he goes clubbing.
It is just not adding up for me, this variation between "smart" burglar, dumb burglar.
I also have to add if he was so panicky and drugged up that he wasn't thinking clearly about the #2, I would think he would have not been able to plan things like finding the keys, locking doors, disposing of the phones.
I would think he would have just run out the front door.

- How would someone coming in through the window have shaken the wardrobe so much to cause those things to fall out? The wardrobe is on the other side of the window, meaning it was not in front of the window in any way. How would someone coming through the window have caused the wardrobe to shake? Also, the rock would have just come in and fallen with a thud on the floor. The force of the rock hitting the floor would not have been enough to cause the wardrobe to rock back and forth.
In the thumbnails, I have attached photos showing the there is clearance between the window and the wardrobe.

-We disagree on the way she died - I think someone wanted to make her suffer, not just kill her as a way of disposing of her. I am not saying Rudy could not have wanted that, I just think it takes an extra leap than just saying it was a "burglary gone wrong."

 

[quesarita]

So before 8 pm, if that is Guede.

The shoes are the clearest part of the figure in that video, and there seems to be agreement even between Rudy and the prosecutors etc. as to which shoes Rudy was wearing that night, and that match the bloody shoeprints in the hallway and bedroom.

 

[aa9511]

I think if there were traces in the cabin similar to those in the sink they were lost when Amanda took shower there in the morning.


Whoever did it, left only a drop here and there, isn't it?


In your scenario doesn't Raffaele clean up there yet leave no DNA? It does seem that simply washing hands will not necessarily leave ones DNA.


I hope you didn't miss my post:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10104682&postcount=164

I know this is directed for Amber, but wanted to give my two cents on something.

So if Amanda took a shower there with the splashes, that means she failed to mention those to the investigators and police. Or they were so faint that she did not see them.

 

[aa9511]

If you look at other break ins Guede is allegedly connected to ( I have no doubt he was, but for some reason he was NEVER prosecuted) they all display the very same traits as the break in at the cottage.
Closing the shutters would be exactly what I would expect him to do as leaving them open with lights on OR using a flashlight would have shown the broken window to anyone looking that direction. Never mind someone returning home to the cottage.

The fact Guede admitted to drinking apricot juice from the refrigerator is interesting to me. If a guest in a home, you ask for, or are offered a drink. Both Amanda and Meredith came from respectable homes where I am sure certain 'manners' were upheld. You would be offered a drink and either of the two would have poured a glass, not directed a first time guest to the refrigerator as Guede said happened ( Meredith) Guede admitted to drinking from the bottle.
Ponder on that.

Watching TV? I think that is a little OTT.

As Michael Smith has mentioned, using bathroom for #2's is not uncommon for burglars.

And he used the bathroom close to where he broke in, next to the ktchen with apricot juice in the refrigerator. Not the bathroom Meredith or Amanda as hosts would have directed him to.

Then Meredith came home whilst he was 'bopping' on the loo.

Rest is, sadly...history.

ETA: I checked Guede's account of drinking the juice and it was from a bottle, not carton. In the interests of keeping things factual, not fantasy...I changed my mistaken 'carton' to bottle.

Good point about the shutter. But he would have still turned on the light, no? Especially with a closed shutter, like you said, who would have suspected anything from the outside if the shutter was closed? So why would he close the shutter, and yet not turn the light on and just go through stuff with a flashlight?

So he was making himself at home, if all of that is true. Wouldn't Meredith have realized that someone was in the cottage? Or did he supposedly get the juice and do all of that in the dark, with only light of a flashlight, even though he was making himeself at home? I've never been comfortable in a home where I can't turn on any lights. That would defeat the whole purpose.

So Meredith comes home, light in the kitchen is on, light in the large bathroom is on, and all she does is call out "anyone home?" Nobody answers, just goes straight to her room? I don't find that believable. She would have, IMO, checked here and there, popped her head in the bathroom to see if maybe Filomena was home, since it was Filomena's bathroom. If the door was closed, knocked on the door. Why no answer? Wouldn't that have alerted her to something? Who is in the bathroom, obviously in the bathroom with the door closed and light on, but doesn't answer to a knock? Wouldn't she have opened the door at that point?

I'm sorry, it does not add up for me.

 

[quesarita]

-Ok, I see now. So there was no rummaging. He just closed the shutters and then I guess immediately went to the large bathroom.
I disagree, but respect your viewpoint. I think there is definite evidence of rummaging in Filomena's room, so either Rudy did that or Amanda/RS did that. In lone-wolf, it could only have been Rudy. And IMO, he would have to have done it before the murder, so he would have left the light on.
I also do not think he would go through the trouble of keeping the lights off and closing the shutters, etc.. As I said before, the #2 tells me that he was not concerned about anyone coming home.
So I respectfully disagree, I think Meredith would have seen signs of someone before she reached all the way to her room, and the struggle in lone-wolf would have began before her bedroom, and perhaps ended before her bedroom. Because why would Rudy care to rape/murder her in her own bedroom? I do not believe it would have been solely contained to Meredith's bedroom.

-I think there would be no other reason for him to close the shutters back. That would mean he was being careful, whereas at other times we see he was clearly not careful (#2).

-Yes, we disagree. For the reason that the space is so small to begin with. Especially the hallway! So I would definately think he woudl have at least stepped back over some of the footprints - I'm not saying EXACTLY, I'm saying just step over some in a general way. The result would be that the original footprint would not be in exact shape of a footprint, it would be disturbed. The footsteps would have been made with blood which was wet at the time, so I think they would have been easily smudged/disturbed.

-"It was a logic of an rather unsuccessful burglar and first time murderer, probably panicked and possibly drugged." - But this is the same criticism many have with the Amanda/RS theory - people say at times they were so careful and "calculating," and yet at other times they seemingly made careless mistakes. In the beginning, RUdy seems to be a very successful burglar - scaling the wall, entering the window without leaving any traces of himself, closing back the shutters, leaving the lights off....but then suddenly he turns into a druggie and panicky novice - and goes and takes a #2 in the toilet, in the dark or in the light, we do not know.
He then suddenly turns professional again, and is very careful about his cleaning-up in the bathroom, taking care not to leave any traces of himself and no real mess. Taking the keys, locking the door, which required forethought. Taking the phones, also requiring forethought. Putting the duvet over her. Getting the towels.
Yet he forgets his #2. And maybe he locks the front door, maybe he doesnt. And then he goes clubbing.
It is just not adding up for me, this variation between "smart" burglar, dumb burglar.
I also have to add if he was so panicky and drugged up that he wasn't thinking clearly about the #2, I would think he would have not been able to plan things like finding the keys, locking doors, disposing of the phones.
I would think he would have just run out the front door.

- How would someone coming in through the window have shaken the wardrobe so much to cause those things to fall out? The wardrobe is on the other side of the window, meaning it was not in front of the window in any way. How would someone coming through the window have caused the wardrobe to shake? Also, the rock would have just come in and fallen with a thud on the floor. The force of the rock hitting the floor would not have been enough to cause the wardrobe to rock back and forth.
In the thumbnails, I have attached photos showing the there is clearance between the window and the wardrobe.

-We disagree on the way she died - I think someone wanted to make her suffer, not just kill her as a way of disposing of her. I am not saying Rudy could not have wanted that, I just think it takes an extra leap than just saying it was a "burglary gone wrong."

I agree he was not a professional burglar. I had been thinking he seemed more like someone who got off on the breaking and entering part, with burglary as almost an afterthought, and that seems to fit with the description of his earlier break-ins.

Getting a drink from the refrigerator and using the toilet are things he would have done as part of his temporary "ownership" of someone else's house - not an afterthought or carelessness.

I firmly believe he was wandering around the apartment of the girls (that he knew by sight at least), hid when he heard Meredith at the door, and then went after her when she was in her bedroom. He didn't plan to murder or rape, but took the opportunity. The break in completely fits his prior MO.

 

[aa9511]

but, hasn't the same thing been said about amanda... that she was like a "master, professional criminal" b/c she/they left few traces of themselves everywhere (especially MK's bedrm), allegedly cleaned up evidence, left bits of evidence on purpose, didn't have had a care in the world if someone unexpectedly came back home while they were there cleaning up ( b/c they apparently weren't scared they'd get caught), didn't leave as quickly as possible (they stayed to clean up, AK returned home to shower, and both returned to the cottage after amanda went to get RS), and thought ahead regarding what to do/not do and what to say/not say, but then they are sloppy and simply forgot to throw away the bathmat, return the lamp, etc ?


aa-- i know i have a tendency to "pick apart" your posts so i do want to also give you a compliment... i know i just said things get overthought sometimes, but i do appreciate your ability to do this as well as your desire/talent to brainstorm possibilities. kudos, friend

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awww.....thanks Redhead!! That is so sweet of you to say that. Thanks for the drumrolls...haha Same back to you too, by the way.

Regarding the issue with Amanda/RS, I do understand what you're saying. In fact, I wrote about this same thing in my last response to Katody, just up from this.

Here is the difference, IMO - Amanda and RS had to do those things, they had no choice. Rudy did not have to.

What I mean by that is, Amanda knew she would be on the radar from Day 1, simply incidentally because she is a roommate and also a friend of Meredith's, and also she was one of the last people to see her. I suppose Amanda and RS could have just run away, but now why would they do that, they wanted to keep their lifestyle and keep everything the same, obviously.

So Amanda and RS had to stage the burglary, etc.. If there was no burglary or no breaking and entering, someone on the inside must have been part of it, that would automaticlaly get too close for comfort to them.

I'm sure it was not that they didn't have a care in the world if someone unexpectedly came home while they were staging/cleaning-up, it's that they did not have a choice. They had to take their chances, and the chances were slim that anyone would come home, they already knew everyone was gone except for Meredith, who was dead.

They had to think head about what to do/not do and what to say/not say. Because they already knew that they, and mostly Amanda, would be questioned by the investigators. Just like the other roommates, just like everyone else who saw Meredith during her last days.

Their only other option was to run away, leave everything immediately, which they could have done but chose not to do.

Rudy was in a completely different situation. Rudy was not on the radar from Day 1. The investigators did not think, "Oh, were is that Rudy Guede guy...we should go and ask him questions too." Why would they? Rudy was not in the picture before the results came back.

Rudy could have immediately left and run away somewhere. Which he did not, for whatever reasons, but did do later. He was completely off-the-radar of the investigators for about a week. Where he could have done whatever he wanted and no one would think anything of it.

Amanda had to clean-up, she lived there, there was no running away for her. Although in theory, she could have, but that's not what she did. She wanted to keep her life just the way it was, IMO. She thought if she can just get past this, get the investigators to just believe this burglar story, then everything will be fine, everything will be "normal," she can continue on being with Raffaele and enjoying Italy and her freedom and independence.

 

[aa9511]

I agree he was not a professional burglar. I had been thinking he seemed more like someone who got off on the breaking and entering part, with burglary as almost an afterthought, and that seems to fit with the description of his earlier break-ins.

Getting a drink from the refrigerator and using the toilet are things he would have done as part of his temporary "ownership" of someone else's house - not an afterthought or carelessness.

I firmly believe he was wandering around the apartment of the girls (that he knew by sight at least), hid when he heard Meredith at the door, and then went after her when she was in her bedroom. He didn't plan to murder or rape, but took the opportunity. The break in completely fits his prior MO.

Yes, ITA with your thoughts about his breaking and enterings. This is what I have been thinking, too.

But my point being, if he was making himself "at home," Meredith would surely have seen signs of something before she got all the way to her bedroom. Signs like someone was home. She must not have immediately thought "burglar," she must have thought Filomena, Laura, or Amanda were home. So she calls out "anyone home," and then if no answer.....then she just goes straight to her room? Or would the more natural thing be to look around and try to find who's home, it it always strange when you think someone's home but no one answers. And the large bathroom was Laura/Filomena's, that would have indicated to her that it was either Laura or Filomena who was home, that would have been extra-incentive to check which of those girls it was and why were they home early?

Also, IMO, there would have been lights on in numerious places by that time....Filomena's room, kitchen, and large bathroom, shared by Filomena/Laura. That would suggest to someone that since both Filomena's room light is on and her bathroom light is on, that it was Filomena who came home early. Would Meredith not just pop her head into the large bathroom or Filomena's room once she heard that no one was answering her, yet Filomena's room and bathroom lights were on?

 

[aa9511]

Has anyone considered the possible repercussions of Guede's sexual assault of Meredith and the non tested alleged semen stain?
That he DID sexually assault her cannot be denied given his epithelial cells ( either digital or penile cannot be determined) were found inside her body.

IF Guede ejaculated over/beside this dying woman one has to wonder just what he is likely to do in the future to get that same arousal. And if it were proven to be Guede's semen, aroused he must have been! That anybody could possibly be aroused at the sight he must have been confronted with, and IMO Merediths demise was by his own hand, is horrendous! For me, this is but one of the reasons that stain should have been tested. Without doing any concerted research I can safely say that amongst psychologists this would be a HUGE warning sign.

In case anybody is considering where the rest of any ejaculate arrived we have to remember towels Guede admitted using ( AND collecting from bathroom which is why AK had to do a bathmat boogy to her room as there were none left) to 'try' to stem the flow of blood from her neck were likely at hand. And worse....could not be tested later as they had deteriorated to the point the blood etc was considered 'rotted'. Vis a vis the jacket Meredith did NOT have time to remove when she arrived home. Although in the case of the jacket, Guede's DNA was discovered on a sleeve.

God help any young women around this man when he is released.

But why would it necessarily have been after her death? Could it not have been before the assault with the knife began?

 

[aa9511]

Of course, I was presenting a scenario in which she is innocent and have no reason to lie about it.



I'm not sure what do you mean by "not perfect". Didn't they leave only the traces they wanted to stay and perfectly cleaned up the rest, i.e. the floor and additional blood on fixtures and walls? They cleaned footprints leading to the bathroom and in it so well that no trace was detectable even with luminol. Don't you agree?


This one I already explained in my post to aa, above. What do you think did Raffaele use in the bathroom? It seems he washed and scrubbed himself there head to toe, isn't it?

What is your explanation for the blood streak in the otherwise perfectly clean bidet? they cleaned it and than put some blood on top to dribble from the edge down to the drain?

About Amanda's blood: You say you doubt she realized the blood was hers. Does it mean you think she hadn't noticed that she was bleeding from her neck?

bbm

Do you think both Amanda and RS cleaned themselves off in the bathroom?

 

[SMK]

Yes, ITA with your thoughts about his breaking and enterings. This is what I have been thinking, too.

But my point being, if he was making himself "at home," Meredith would surely have seen signs of something before she got all the way to her bedroom. Signs like someone was home. She must not have immediately thought "burglar," she must have thought Filomena, Laura, or Amanda were home. So she calls out "anyone home," and then if no answer.....then she just goes straight to her room? Or would the more natural thing be to look around and try to find who's home, it it always strange when you think someone's home but no one answers. And the large bathroom was Laura/Filomena's, that would have indicated to her that it was either Laura or Filomena who was home, that would have been extra-incentive to check which of those girls it was and why were they home early?

Also, IMO, there would have been lights on in numerious places by that time....Filomena's room, kitchen, and large bathroom, shared by Filomena/Laura. That would suggest to someone that since both Filomena's room light is on and her bathroom light is on, that it was Filomena who came home early. Would Meredith not just pop her head into the large bathroom or Filomena's room once she heard that no one was answering her, yet Filomena's room and bathroom lights were on?

I would say he probably would have the bathroom light on and the door open, thinking he had the place to herself.

Then she may have screamed when she saw it was Rudy, and he does make mention in the Skype call of hearing a scream and jumping off the toilet and barely pulling his pants up. She may have fled to her room, planning to lock herself in and call 112, but he beat her to doing that. Then the struggle ensued.

Now if he is not the lone wolf, where do Knox and Sollectio fit in? I had always thought perhaps it was Amanda who allowed him in the front door, then she took off, and Kercher came home. Then perhaps she returned. It's not an easy thing to fit in, and I do hope the evidence can be trusted......

 

[Annella]

But why would it necessarily have been after her death? Could it not have been before the assault with the knife began?

I didn't say after her death, but whilst she was dying. Guede dragged her to a position to sexually assault her. The drag marks in blood show that as do the aspirated blood droplets on Merediths bared breasts. Not to mention a pillow under her hips.

 

[quesarita]

Yes, ITA with your thoughts about his breaking and enterings. This is what I have been thinking, too.

But my point being, if he was making himself "at home," Meredith would surely have seen signs of something before she got all the way to her bedroom. Signs like someone was home. She must not have immediately thought "burglar," she must have thought Filomena, Laura, or Amanda were home. So she calls out "anyone home," and then if no answer.....then she just goes straight to her room? Or would the more natural thing be to look around and try to find who's home, it it always strange when you think someone's home but no one answers. And the large bathroom was Laura/Filomena's, that would have indicated to her that it was either Laura or Filomena who was home, that would have been extra-incentive to check which of those girls it was and why were they home early?

Also, IMO, there would have been lights on in numerious places by that time....Filomena's room, kitchen, and large bathroom, shared by Filomena/Laura. That would suggest to someone that since both Filomena's room light is on and her bathroom light is on, that it was Filomena who came home early. Would Meredith not just pop her head into the large bathroom or Filomena's room once she heard that no one was answering her, yet Filomena's room and bathroom lights were on?

I don't even know for sure what I would do in that situation, much less Meredith. If I had 3 roommates and any one of them COULD have come home even if I didn't expect them that night, I probably would not have checked in the other rooms, certainly not the bathroom.

If I had a creepy feeling, my instinct may very well have been to head for my personal space where I would feel safest (regardless of whether that was actually safer). It's horrible that Meredith was attacked in her own bedroom.

 

[aa9511]

I would say he probably would have the bathroom light on and the door open, thinking he had the place to herself.

Then she may have screamed when she saw it was Rudy, and he does make mention in the Skype call of hearing a scream and jumping off the toilet and barely pulling his pants up. She may have fled to her room, planning to lock herself in and call 112, but he beat her to doing that. Then the struggle ensued.

Now if he is not the lone wolf, where do Knox and Sollectio fit in? I had always thought perhaps it was Amanda who allowed him in the front door, then she took off, and Kercher came home. Then perhaps she returned. It's not an easy thing to fit in, and I do hope the evidence can be trusted......

hmmm....this is becoming very reminscient of Jodi Arias case (sorry, Redhead). I remember Juan Martinez constantly brought up that how come this large and more powerful male could not catch her running down the hallway. I think the same thing regarding this. Also, why would she run all the way back into a corner? (I know I have mentioned this before, sorry to repeat). IMO, she would have gone straight back to the front door, I don't think at that moment she would be thinking about keys or whether it is locked, at that moment she would be in fight or flight, and it does not seem natural for someone to run themselves into a corner. JMO.

That also doesn't account for the staged burglary evidence.

I do not believe Amanda would just give her keys to Rudy for no reason and let him go there, why would she and RS just not go with him? It seems like they did not have many friends and were looking for people to hanging out with anyway, as evidence by Amanda's book where she talks about Halloween night or whatever night it was, and she didn't have anyone to hang out with.

Or....why would she and RS just not invite him back to RS place? They were already eating fish anyway for dinner, they could have just shared some with him. Or I'm sure RS had other food in his fridge. Also he had a toilet he could use.

 

[SMK]

awww.....thanks Redhead!! That is so sweet of you to say that. Thanks for the drumrolls...haha Same back to you too, by the way.

Regarding the issue with Amanda/RS, I do understand what you're saying. In fact, I wrote about this same thing in my last response to Katody, just up from this.

Here is the difference, IMO - Amanda and RS had to do those things, they had no choice. Rudy did not have to.

What I mean by that is, Amanda knew she would be on the radar from Day 1, simply incidentally because she is a roommate and also a friend of Meredith's, and also she was one of the last people to see her. I suppose Amanda and RS could have just run away, but now why would they do that, they wanted to keep their lifestyle and keep everything the same, obviously.

So Amanda and RS had to stage the burglary, etc.. If there was no burglary or no breaking and entering, someone on the inside must have been part of it, that would automaticlaly get too close for comfort to them.

I'm sure it was not that they didn't have a care in the world if someone unexpectedly came home while they were staging/cleaning-up, it's that they did not have a choice. They had to take their chances, and the chances were slim that anyone would come home, they already knew everyone was gone except for Meredith, who was dead.

They had to think head about what to do/not do and what to say/not say. Because they already knew that they, and mostly Amanda, would be questioned by the investigators. Just like the other roommates, just like everyone else who saw Meredith during her last days.

Their only other option was to run away, leave everything immediately, which they could have done but chose not to do.

Rudy was in a completely different situation. Rudy was not on the radar from Day 1. The investigators did not think, "Oh, were is that Rudy Guede guy...we should go and ask him questions too." Why would they? Rudy was not in the picture before the results came back.

Rudy could have immediately left and run away somewhere. Which he did not, for whatever reasons, but did do later. He was completely off-the-radar of the investigators for about a week. Where he could have done whatever he wanted and no one would think anything of it.

Amanda had to clean-up, she lived there, there was no running away for her. Although in theory, she could have, but that's not what she did. She wanted to keep her life just the way it was, IMO. She thought if she can just get past this, get the investigators to just believe this burglar story, then everything will be fine, everything will be "normal," she can continue on being with Raffaele and enjoying Italy and her freedom and independence.

I would agree that if guilty Amanda still would not want to flee (and if she did not want to, neither would Raffaelle). They had each other to love, their studies, their fun, and I think Amanda had fallen in love with Perugia, and probably was falling for Sollecito, too.

Perugia was old hat to Rudy - and he knew that his prints were on file with the Immigration Office. He had to split. His mistake was the Skype call, as it gave him away. Who knows, if he had friends, say, in Athens or somewhere, he might have vanished and never been found and extradited.

In any event, Amanda did not want to return to Seattle, and why go hang in Germany with Aunt Dolly, when the action was in Perugia? Obviously, if she is innocent, then she stayed because there was no reason on earth to leave. But if guilty, I can still see her not wanting to go back to Mom, Dad, or Aunt Dolly. :waiting: