Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[aa9511]

And although I see your point, I believe she knew to her core that somehow she had intended some sexual harm and that Guede was doing her dirty work. She strikes me as a masculine person, who came to her femininity late, and does not play the female easily.....

Whether it's female or male, I don't know. But I think she can act/play-the-victim easily. IMO. JMO. I feel like this is probably a honed skill of hers as I believe she has used it throughout her life to get out of things.

JMO.

 

[Amber29]

But it was not like this was a mansion or a big house. It was a tiny cottage.

Filomena and Filomena bathroom light would be on. That would suggest Filomena is home. Filomena was not expected home at all, she was away. It would be different than Amanda, who Meredith already knew was in town. Would Meredith not care that Filomena came home unexpectedly early, just go back into her room and not check or say anything to Filomena?

Filomena room and Filomena bathroom light on, but Amanda possibly the one at home, would also signal for Meredith to check things out. Why was Amanda in Filomena's room? What was she doing in there? Why was Amanda using Filomena's bathroom?

If I had a creepy feeling, I would not just go into my room in the back corner of the house, without checking anything out. JMO.

It was said in a post earlier that RG picked the closest bathroom. I just wanted to add that IMO the obvious bathroom is the one at the end of the hall and just as close to Filomenas room. IMO going to the more hidden bathroom, shows a knowledge of the cottage for that choice. Considering just looking at the door, it looks like a laundry room.

 

[aa9511]

The alleged semen stain is on the pillow beneath Merediths hips. So you consider she lay there passively and allowed Guede to slash her throat in that position when all the evidence shows she was elsewhere in the room?

Is there a link somewhere to the picture of the alleged stain?

What do you mean, lay there passively? She would have had to have lay somewhere passively for Rudy to slash her throat, in any case, correct? I do not think she lay passively, I think she was being restrained.

 

[aa9511]

It was said in a post earlier that RG picked the closest bathroom. I just wanted to add that IMO the obvious bathroom is the one at the end of the hall and just as close to Filomenas room. IMO going to the more hidden bathroom, shows a knowledge of the cottage for that choice. Considering just looking at the door, it looks like a laundry room.

I think he chose that bathroom because it's right off of the living room, where they were all hanging out.

Good points.

 

[SMK]

genuine guilt feelings....but would that not mean that she would, instead of doing staging/clean-up, instead have called ambulance to see if there was anything they could do for her friend? Upon discovery of the body? Before people say it, I am going to say Raffaele was with her and he would have known who to call.

I don't understand what are "genuine guilt feelings?" Yes...genuine guilt, as in she would want to not get implicated in anything. So she could have made up some lie, IMO. Try to make it seem like she did not do anything worthy of any guilt feelings.

For example, we were talking to Rudy by the basketball courts, maybe he took the key out of my pocket!?? Maybe the keys fell out of my pockets there, and he picked them up and decided to go and make himself at home at our house. Oh, the nerve of him!!! Fake-cry, fake-cry. Officer, how could this happen??!!!! Fake-cry. How could I be so gullible???!! Why was I not more careful??! Agggghhhhh. How could I have been so stupid??? Fake-cry, fake-cry. Hits head with hands. Hold head in her hands and wails. Throws fists in air. Hits herself in the head with hands. Etc., etc..

IMO, it would have been very easy for he to get out of that situation or at least, she would have thought she could fool the officers and it would be easy for her, with some good acting.

Well, I would assume that Meredith was fully dead when they found her. No helping her. And that they felt both morally and legally culpable, liable. I see your point, but that sounds like Jodi Arias. As I said, Amanda does not act "feminine" and has no feminine wiles at her beck - she would dissociate more like a male would. MOO:moo:

 

[quesarita]

Well, I would assume that Meredith was fully dead when they found her. No helping her. And that they felt both morally and legally culpable, liable. I see your point, but that sounds like Jodi Arias. As I said, Amanda does not act "feminine" and has no feminine wiles at her beck - she would dissociate more like a male would. MOO:moo:

Well yeah, as I've read over and over again, one of the most "suspicious" things about Amanda was her lack of crying and "feminine" emotion.

 

[SMK]

Well yeah, as I've read over and over again, one of the most "suspicious" things about Amanda was her lack of crying and "feminine" emotion.

Yes, and she does indicate that in Seattle, most of her friends were male. I can kind of identify with her in that sense as I was similar in my youth. She was not "a Daddy's girl" and did not gain a view of herself as that sort of female. In high school, she did not like to wear makeup and prided herself on her sports prowess, often shooting baskets with guys. This is why I can see her having a certain misplaced sympathy with Guede.

 

[SMK]

Incidentally, where is the front door located in that cottage? Off the LR? Kitchen?

 

[quesarita]

Incidentally, where is the front door located in that cottage? Off the LR? Kitchen?

Sorry, I can't seem to get the attachment button to work. It looks like there's a small vestibule from the front porch that leads to the living room. The kitchen is in the opposite corner of the living room from the vestibule.

 

[quesarita]

 

[SMK]

Thanks for that

 

[SMK]

Was searching for a diagram of the cottage, and came across this post-conviction 2009 article, describing the prosecution's case.

As for the bolded part, on what were they basing this?

2320 Knox, Sollecito and Guede arrived at the flat. The couple went into Miss Kercher's room while Guede went to the toilet.
An argument and a scuffle broke out between Miss Kercher and Knox, helped by Sollecito after the English student refused to take part in a drug-fuelled sex game. Guede entered the room and joined in.

Knox hit Miss Kercher's head against a wall, then tried to strangle her, as Sollecito threatened her and Guede sexually assaulted her.
Guede and Sollecito held Miss Kercher down while Knox fatally stabbed her in the neck.
The three then fled the flat before Knox and Sollecito returned to try to clear up and stage a fake robbery by breaking a window of a bedroom belonging to another flatmate.
They threw Miss Kercher's mobile phones into a nearby garden, where they were later discovered.
A duvet was placed over Miss Kercher's body.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8394110.stm

 

[quesarita]

Was searching for a diagram of the cottage, and came across this post-conviction 2009 article, describing the prosecution's case.

As for the bolded part, on what were they basing this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8394110.stm

I saw that too, and wondered the same thing. Did Meredith have signs of a blow to head like that? That could have dazed her?

 

[SMK]

I saw that too, and wondered the same thing. Did Meredith have signs of a blow to head like that? That could have dazed her?

Now that I think of it, I believe she had a blow to the forehead, and a broken hyoid bone - but how do they know Amanda did this? And not Rudy? or Raffaelle?

 

[quesarita]

Now that I think of it, I believe she had a blow to the forehead, and a broken hyoid bone - but how do they know Amanda did this? And not Rudy? or Raffaelle?

It seems unlikely to me, but it always has.

 

[quesarita]

SMK, I'd be very interested in your psych analysis of the opening of Raffaele's book. I'm trying to attach images here, not sure if it will work.

 

[SMK]

SMK, I'd be very interested in your psych analysis of the opening of Raffaele's book. I'm trying to attach images here, not sure if it will work.

OK - just have to make a quick phone call, then I will read and offer up my analysis. Hope it will be a helpful one :blushing:

 

[SMK]

SMK, I'd be very interested in your psych analysis of the opening of Raffaele's book. I'm trying to attach images here, not sure if it will work.

OK, well first of all, he certainly does seem noble in his loyalty to her, if we can take him at his word. It is amazing that having known her for such a short time, (a matter of days) he would not betray her in order to save himself.

And it is clear that he knew himself to be secondary in this case, and overshadowed by her in all ways. (which was true enough, in both the media and in the court).

Reading between the lines, I wonder if he felt that his meeting her was in fact "a fatal attraction"? He seems passive and as though Knox may indeed have served as the catalyst - projection for him; she may have received his projection, becoming a kind of anima-figure or femme fatale in the truest sense of the word.

My biggest problem with all of this is the short time-span, the brevity of the time Knox knew Meredith (one month) and the shorter time she knew Sollecito ( 6 days) prior to the murder.

The psychological constellation of Knox, Sollecito, Guede, and Kercher ressonates with spirit and intuition: Especially for me, the kind of masculine aura exuded by Knox, and the feminine one by Sollecito. I can see some repressed sexual stuff coming into play in such a fusion. But the time seems far too short for anything to have truly taken root and germinated. Unless of course there was a kind of "time dilation" due to the exotic nature of Perugia, and the transitory feeling there?

It's odd, I have problems both with finding them fully guilty, AND with writing them off as a couple of rail-roaded kids. It's as if I am hovering in some middle ground here.... Of course if taken at his word, Sollecito does seem to indicate consciousness of their innocence.....Hope this critique was at least slightly helpful for you.

 

[quesarita]

OK, well first of all, he certainly does seem noble in his loyalty to her, if we can take him at his word. It is amazing that having known her for such a short time, (a matter of days) he would not betray her in order to save himself.

And it is clear that he knew himself to be secondary in this case, and overshadowed by her in all ways. (which was true enough, in both the media and in the court).

Reading between the lines, I wonder if he felt that his meeting her was in fact "a fatal attraction"? He seems passive and as though Knox may indeed have served as the catalyst - projection for him; she may have received his projection, becoming a kind of anima-figure or femme fatale in the truest sense of the word.

My biggest problem with all of this is the short time-span, the brevity of the time Knox knew Meredith (one month) and the shorter time she knew Sollecito ( 6 days) prior to the murder.

The psychological constellation of Knox, Sollecito, Guede, and Kercher ressonates with spirit and intuition: Especially for me, the kind of masculine aura exuded by Knox, and the feminine one by Sollecito. I can see some repressed sexual stuff coming into play in such a fusion. But the time seems far too short for anything to have truly taken root and germinated. Unless of course there was a kind of "time dilation" due to the exotic nature of Perugia, and the transitory feeling there?

It's odd, I have problems both with finding them fully guilty, AND with writing them off as a couple of rail-roaded kids. It's as if I am hovering in some middle ground here.... Of course if taken at his word, Sollecito does seem to indicate consciousness of their innocence.....Hope this critique was at least slightly helpful for you.

Thanks, yes! But it's quite different than what I read into it, very likely erroneously. I thought he came across as disgruntled, annoyed at the descriptions of himself as passive and subordinate. If I want to, I can see a veiled threat to Amanda at the end - "You better support my alibi because if I go down, you'll go down faster and harder." (because of her higher profile)

 

[SMK]

Thanks, yes! But it's quite different than what I read into it, very likely erroneously. I thought he came across as disgruntled, annoyed at the descriptions of himself as passive and subordinate. If I want to, I can see a veiled threat to Amanda at the end - "You better support my alibi because if I go down, you'll go down faster and harder." (because of her higher profile)

Ah ha! You have an astute perception, because although I was sensing some disgruntlement, I took it as secondary and less important than what I saw as a kind of obsession with her.

But omg -- I think you may be right. He may in fact harbor massive resentment against her: Both for her emasculating overshadowing of him, and for basically having utterly destroyed his life. And yes, he does hold that power in his hands. And now that you have pointed this out as a veiled threat, yes, it may be a very pointed one, and aimed at her and hers. Feel kind of dumb now for having blathered on about Knox and Sollecito, and not having actually focused on the pages at hand....:blushing: