Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[aa9511]

Welcome back Otto

I like the grand entrance! Putting out the tweet....BAM!

 

[aa9511]

I believe RGs blood was found in his bathroom, it could be true that his blood can't be dated there (like said of AK) but IMO it's proof he was actively bleeding that night. I could be wrong it's been awhile since I've looked at the evidence collected from his apartment bathroom.

ETA yes I just looked back over his blood was found on a towel, in the drain basin in his bathroom, and on the floor. Seems he was bleeding quite a bit IMO.

Oh wow. Can you send me a link where I can view the pics (of his apartment)? TIA.

Yes, I definately think he cut his finger that night. There is a large gash on his finger, and several days earlier he was involved in a murder with a knife. Now, let's say Rudy was fighting his charges, and there was a thread dedicated to his trial, and some people thought he was innocent "wrongly accused,' then people would be trying to convince me that the two events (gash on finger, and murder with knife) are not remotely related and what can I be thinking trying to connect the two, and don't I know that he got the gash from cutting his finger while cutting some meat to eat, and don't I know everyone gets large gashes on their fingers from time to time..............................

but well there are some things once can deduce, and there are some simple explanations for things if one doesn't choose to ignore things.....

and so, yes, he cut his fnger during the murder, and I'm sure it must have bled at the murder scene. I don't know whether he wrapped it up with something at some point, or not.

 

[quesarita]

thanks, otto, for the tweets !! we can always count on you :great:

and thanks smk for the ones you just added !


OT: my dad died unexpectedly yesterday. i'm still in shock. mom found him in bed with no pulse/no respirations. he had a DNR so that was that! if my brain (posting) is scattered for the next little while, please bear with me. thanks

I'm very sorry to hear that. What a shock for you and your mother. Take care.

 

[SMK]

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 48s
A loud emergency evacuation request was just broadcast in Florence court, but the presiding judge says hearing will continue. #nofear

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 30m
@courtneycwalsh yes confirm rebuttals jan 20, verdict Jan 30, subject to change as presiding judge sees fit. Jan 16 hearing canceled.

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 42m
Once you've seen @avvgbongiorno wave two knives in front of an Italian jury, most other court reporting one has done seems rather dull.

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 56m
Bongiorno holds up butcher knife like the one in evidence to jury: "This knife is too big. It is not the murder weapon." #amandaknox

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 3h
New #amandaknox court schedule: rebuttals Jan 20, with verdict on Jan 30. :furious: :furious:


Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 3h
Florence #amandaknox appeal: court breaks until 14:15. Unclear if sollecito defense will finish today or spill over.

https://twitter.com/andreavogt

 

[SMK]

The Nation @ qn_lanazione 16m
ProcessoMeredith, Bongiorno (Sollecito's defense): "Is it possible that the glass has been broken from the outside" # meredithnazione

The Nation @ qn_lanazione 17m
ProcessoMeredith, Bongiorno (Sollecito's defense): "The absence of traces of mud on the wall is because in those days it was not raining" # meredithnazione

The Nation @ qn_lanazione 26m
ProcessoMeredith, Bongiorno (Sollecito's defense): "Plausible hypothesis that someone has entered the window"
# meredithnazione

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

La Nazione tweets translated by Google Chrome

 

[SMK]

Grrr, the verdict has been delayed from Jan 15 to Jan 20, and now Jan 30 :furious: :furious:

 

[SMK]

Sollecito Defense Says Couple Blamed To Calm Fears

FLORENCE, Italy (AP) —

The defense lawyer for the former boyfriend of U.S. exchange student Amanda Knox told an appeals court Thursday that the young lovers were blamed by authorities for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher to calm any fears that a monster was loose in their Italian university town.

Defender Giulia Bongiorno said her client, Raffaele Sollecito, and Knox were identified as suspects in a “record” four days after the murder in the picturesque central town of Perugia because authorities “did not want to think that a stranger, a monster, could have entered a house and murdered a student.”

Bongiorno said much of the evidence later used to convict the pair in their first trial — including the presumed murder weapon found in Sollecito’s kitchen drawer and a clasp that had been ripped from Kercher’s bra — had not even been gathered by investigators at that point.

Bongiorno, on the last day of closing arguments in the pair’s third trial, showed a court a series of slides and videos in a bid to dismantle the prosecution’s case.

Sollecito sat placidly at her side throughout

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/sollecito-defense-says-couple-blamed-to-calm-fears/

 

[SMK]

Just wondering if anyone has an opinion on what is out there in the blogosphere:

On Amanda's blog - (in her comment responses, beneath With Respect to the Kerchers post) -

http://www.amandaknox.com/2013/12/18/with-respect-to-the-kercher-family/

she does admit to playing an April Fool's prank with some other students, in her past, where they moved and hid items to make it look as though there had been a robbery. She says no masks were used and no people or property were harmed.

I must admit this seems a trifle to me, as the context is totally different from any crime. Of course some people think it is a massively huge deal, but just wondered if anyone had any opinions on the matter.

I guess I am bored and needed something to post about! ... :desert: :waiting:

 

[aa9511]

Grrr, the verdict has been delayed from Jan 15 to Jan 20, and now Jan 30 :furious: :furious:

Just for you, SMK

 

[aa9511]

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/sollecito-defense-says-couple-blamed-to-calm-fears/

At least he showed up - I do give him credit for that. I wonder where he'll be on Verdict Day?

 

[SMK]

Just for you, SMK

It seems so :giggle:

 

[SMK]

At least he showed up - I do give him credit for that. I wonder where he'll be on Verdict Day?

That's a good question. Kind of a scary thought for him, being there for the verdict, I would imagine, and with the Kercher family present.....of course, the court could possibly rule to acquit....

 

[aa9511]

Just wondering if anyone has an opinion on what is out there in the blogosphere:

On Amanda's blog - (in her comment responses, beneath With Respect to the Kerchers post) -

http://www.amandaknox.com/2013/12/18/with-respect-to-the-kercher-family/

she does admit to playing an April Fool's prank with some other students, in her past, where they moved and hid items to make it look as though there had been a robbery. She says no masks were used and no people or property were harmed.

I must admit this seems a trifle to me, as the context is totally different from any crime. Of course some people think it is a massively huge deal, but just wondered if anyone had any opinions on the matter.

I guess I am bored and needed something to post about! ... :desert: :waiting:

SMK, can you narrow it down a bit? The exchange I see is from January 7. Is this the exchange you are talking about, or is there more underneath that?

From what I've read, my response was - whoa. It is certainly very weird to hear her say things like, I just moved around some stuff to make it seem like we had been robbed. The exact "response" to the commenter's question is:
<modsnip>

http://www.amandaknox.com/2013/12/18/with-respect-to-the-kercher-family/

It is very odd to hear stuff like that, knowing all that happened afterwards. Just with the, you know, countless other pranks that could have been done, and it just happened to be that one, which seemed to have some repeat-elements in the (real) crime. It makes sense that, in a stressful situation where she needed a quick answer, she would turn to things she was already "familiar" with and which she had already done in her past.

This kind of, in some way, goes towards your theory, doesn't it? I guess it could go towards either theory....in yours, she just got someone else to do it for her, in the more mainstream guilty theory, she did do this herself in staging the burglary.

Very odd, that is what I'll say.

 

[aa9511]

btw thank you for your sleuthing SMK, and also others, without you guys I would not know all this "extra" information.

 

[SMK]

SMK, can you narrow it down a bit? The exchange I see is from January 7. Is this the exchange you are talking about, or is there more underneath that?

'From what I've read, my response was - whoa. It is certainly very weird to hear her say things like, I just moved around some stuff to make it seem like we had been robbed. The exact "response" to the commenter's question is:
I played part in a April&#8217;s Fools prank that involved making a mess &#8211; moving and hiding stuff in the house I shared with friends &#8211; to make it seem like we had been robbed when we weren&#8217;t there. The ruse was immediately revealed after the initial shock. We &#8211; all of the mutual friends of my housemates who participated in the prank with me &#8211; apologized for the distress caused.

There was no harm to property or persons. Like so many things, this event has been exaggerated for the sake of sensationalism'

http://www.amandaknox.com/2013/12/18/with-respect-to-the-kercher-family/

It is very odd to hear stuff like that, knowing all that happened afterwards. Just with the, you know, countless other pranks that could have been done, and it just happened to be that one, which seemed to have some repeat-elements in the (real) crime. It makes sense that, in a stressful situation where she needed a quick answer, she would turn to things she was already "familiar" with and which she had already done in her past.

This kind of, in some way, goes towards your theory, doesn't it? I guess it could go towards either theory....in yours, she just got someone else to do it for her, in the more mainstream guilty theory, she did do this herself in staging the burglary.

Very odd, that is what I'll say.

Yes, that is the exchange, but I thought I wasn't allowed to post it from her site - there was one further comment from Knox somewhere saying that no masks or costumes were used in the prank. and that was all.....

well, yeah: On the one hand, it could just be some unrelated prank of youth. On the other, though, as you say why of all pranks, this one??? AND it does appear to fit in a bit with thoughts I've had, and a staging in general.....Just thought it was interesting, and as you note, a bit odd......thanks for your input :loveyou:

 

[Katody]

Giulia Bongiorno did an outstanding work showing the truth to the jury and exposing the fallacies of the prosecution and errors of investigation.

 

[Katody]

Oh wow. Can you send me a link where I can view the pics (of his apartment)? TIA.

Yes, I definately think he cut his finger that night. There is a large gash on his finger, and several days earlier he was involved in a murder with a knife. Now, let's say Rudy was fighting his charges, and there was a thread dedicated to his trial, and some people thought he was innocent "wrongly accused,' then people would be trying to convince me that the two events (gash on finger, and murder with knife) are not remotely related and what can I be thinking trying to connect the two, and don't I know that he got the gash from cutting his finger while cutting some meat to eat, and don't I know everyone gets large gashes on their fingers from time to time..............................

but well there are some things once can deduce, and there are some simple explanations for things if one doesn't choose to ignore things.....

and so, yes, he cut his fnger during the murder, and I'm sure it must have bled at the murder scene. I don't know whether he wrapped it up with something at some point, or not.

Two things. Where is Guede's blood in the crime scene if he bled?

Nobody who saw him at the disco noticed anything wrong with his hand.

 

[Katody]

Yes, that is the exchange, but I thought I wasn't allowed to post it from her site - there was one further comment from Knox somewhere saying that no masks or costumes were used in the prank. and that was all.....

well, yeah: On the one hand, it could just be some unrelated prank of youth. On the other, though, as you say why of all pranks, this one??? AND it does appear to fit in a bit with thoughts I've had, and a staging in general.....Just thought it was interesting, and as you note, a bit odd......thanks for your input :loveyou:

It seems the prank was successful in convincing the friends there was theft.

OTOH we are to believe the supposed stagers were dumb enough to not even take the 4 laptops. :no:

Amanda straightforwardly answers questions like that on her blog. I think it speaks of her good character and truthfulness.

 

[SMK]

It seems the prank was successful in convincing the friends there were theft.

OTOH we are to believe the supposed stagers were dumb enough to not even take the 4 laptops. :no:

Well, yes....unless they didn't want to be responsible for hiding or selling them......but I always thought the "nothing's been taken" from Sollecito to the 112 was an odd thing to say, IF he had wanted all to believe a robbery had taken place......anyone have any insight about this? because his saying "nothing's been taken" has often been viewed as a sign of guilt....I think Knox was thinking, best to just be straight about the rumor, yes....

 

[aa9511]

Yes, that is the exchange, but I thought I wasn't allowed to post it from her site - there was one further comment from Knox somewhere saying that no masks or costumes were used in the prank. and that was all.....

well, yeah: On the one hand, it could just be some unrelated prank of youth. On the other, though, as you say why of all pranks, this one??? AND it does appear to fit in a bit with thoughts I've had, and a staging in general.....Just thought it was interesting, and as you note, a bit odd......thanks for your input :loveyou:

Oh, yeah. I better go take the quote down. Oops.

Was this brought up anywhere in the trial?

I am just curious because many of the innocent side claim that if there was anything whatsoever to use "against" Amanda, the prosecution would have found it and used it, and so the fact that they didn't have much (from her past) means that there is actually nothing.

This was part of the conversation on here yesterday. To which I pointed out that there are probably things that we don't know about, that are only known to the family (some of her maybe-issues).

And yet here is something which if the prosecution wanted and was allowed to, they could have brought this into trial. Since it has similar elements to the staging aspect of the crime.

How many more things like this are there that we do not know about?

Not only where she had other witnesses to her behavior, but at home behind closed doors, we do not know what her personality is really like, what issues she might have, etc..

I am not saying it is a "bad" thing, this April fool's prank. That is NOT what I'm saying. It was just a joke. My thing with this is, that is has parallels to the staging aspect of the serious crime. Parallels. As I said in my last post, there are countless other pranks which could have happened, yet it was one which coincidentally lines up with the staging aspect of the crime. That is quite a coincidence to say the least, IMO.

I believe that, when someone is stressed and panicked and in a position where they need to do something fast, they are going to go back to their past experiences. IMO. So in the guilty scenario, she would have needed an "answer" fast. She would have drawn on past things in her life - whether it was something she did, or read, or saw on tv, etc., it would have been from her past somewhere.