Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[Myvice]

I don't know, maybe that was her room key and she always left it there, not locking the door when she wasn't home.

I agree that's a possibility. I have all my keys on one ring but I'm sure not everyone does. For some reason that key hanging in the photo just haunts me. just one of those things....Probably means nothing.

 

[SMK]

Regarding Stephanie's testimony, it's obvious to me that they weren't getting along. AK made calls to MK on Halloween wanting to hook up and MK wouldn't return the calls.

I can only imagine how that would make AK feel.

In Knox's book, she tells us that Meredith had texted back, after Amanda had asked her to get together for Halloween, "Yes, I have a costume, but I have to go to a dinner party with friends. What are your plans? X" with the X for "kisses" and apparently friendly.

However, she was still "blowing her off", and as Meredith is a nice person, I imagine the "kisses" was to soften it, as she felt a bit guilty---probably she knew her friends did not want "the American girl" along.

So my point is, to be accurate, it was a subtle "blow off", but sometimes this is even more hurtful than someone saying "F--- off". Becuase you sense that although they are sweet and nice, and feel sorry for you, they still really don't want you around.

 

[quesarita]

I have a question. If Amanda and Raffaele were present during the murder, why would they afterwards go into Filomena's room to create disorder to create the impression of a burglary when they KNEW that there was an actual burglary from Meredith's room - that items were taken from her purse, leaving Rudy's dna in the purse, as well as in the most private parts of Meredith's body?

 

[SMK]

I have a question. If Amanda and Raffaele were present during the murder, why would they afterwards go into Filomena's room to create disorder to create the impression of a burglary when they KNEW that there was an actual burglary from Meredith's room - that items were taken from her purse, leaving Rudy's dna in the purse, as well as in the most private parts of Meredith's body?

That's a valid question.

If one wants to view if from guilt, it can only be explained by :

1. They didn't want to do a staging where the poor girl lay dead
2. They wanted to get Filomena in on the discovery of the body, so lured her with her room ransacked
3. The staging had been done first, before they knew any murder would later take place, as part of The Prank (as per what was found out about Amanda's college prank as precursor)

 

[aa9511]

I have a question. If Amanda and Raffaele were present during the murder, why would they afterwards go into Filomena's room to create disorder to create the impression of a burglary when they KNEW that there was an actual burglary from Meredith's room - that items were taken from her purse, leaving Rudy's dna in the purse, as well as in the most private parts of Meredith's body?

But they knew that they actually given Rudy access to the cottage. With no obvious sign of entry, it would have immediately put all the house members under suspicion, that would include the downstairs guys, but that is still a narrow field - only 8 people, that was too close for comfort to Amanda, and probably all of them would have better alibis than she did.

Also, they needed to distract attention from them. They needed the police to believe it was some random burglar with NO connection to them

Edit: make that 7, without Meredith

 

[Myvice]

I have a question. If Amanda and Raffaele were present during the murder, why would they afterwards go into Filomena's room to create disorder to create the impression of a burglary when they KNEW that there was an actual burglary from Meredith's room - that items were taken from her purse, leaving Rudy's dna in the purse, as well as in the most private parts of Meredith's body?

For me the answer is that would be the only way to put RG at the scene alone. It would be obvious someone had let him in if there weren't a break in.

 

[quesarita]

For me the answer is that would be the only way to put RG at the scene alone. It would be obvious someone had let him in if there weren't a break in.

Seems way easier and safer to spend the time creating a better alibi for oneself, knowing that the front door didn't always latch properly and had been known to blow open, and that the other roommates were aware of that.

 

[aa9511]

Seems way easier and safer to spend the time creating a better alibi for oneself, knowing that the front door didn't always latch properly and had been known to blow open, and that the other roommates were aware of that.

Well, that's easy for us to say. Imagine you let the murderer in, imagine you participated in the murder, then are you going to take the chance? All the other roommates were out and had alibis, only you do not have an alibi because how can one have an alibi when they were actually at the murder scene? Not possible to be in two places at one time. Are you going to take the chance with this "door latch" theory, that your whole future is depending on people believe the door latch theory?

Or would you want to put the attention far, far away from you?

 

[Amber29]

I have a question. If Amanda and Raffaele were present during the murder, why would they afterwards go into Filomena's room to create disorder to create the impression of a burglary when they KNEW that there was an actual burglary from Meredith's room - that items were taken from her purse, leaving Rudy's dna in the purse, as well as in the most private parts of Meredith's body?

Yes Rudy's DNA on an empty purse laying on the bed that she wasn't carrying at the time of her killing. What do you think he took out of that purse? I've asked this before because I just don't understand and theres a sock around the handle like the sock was used to pick it up.

I'm not implying anything here btw I just simply don't understand it at all.

 

[aa9511]

@ Amber - did you see my post regarding maybe they added the smears to the bathroom later by way of rag or something, a corner they dipped into Meredith's blood and then smeared on.

I see it as a possibility. That would explain why rest of bathroom was clean.

 

[Amber29]

I agree that locking the door does nothing for anyone involved in the crime, unless there was some unknown person there who wanted extra time to leave town.

When I stayed in hotel rooms in Europe with that type of keyed lock, I always left the key in the lock on the inside, locked or unlocked, so it would be there when I left the room and wanted to lock it from the outside. Maybe Meredith had done that but not locked the door. Or maybe the key was in her purse and he took it when he grabbed the phones and cards and money from her purse. Only his dna was inside Meredith's purse, correct?

Locking the door does give time to someone who was sticking around staging the scene a little. Imo It offers the option of not being able to get ahold of Meredith, as they can't simply open her door. I've always thought they wanted someone else to help in the discovery/calling police. That can't happen if there's access to Meredith's room. I also have always questioned why amanda did not call Meredith from the cottage to see if her phones were in her room.

 

[quesarita]

Well, that's easy for us to say. Imagine you let the murderer in, imagine you participated in the murder, then are you going to take the chance? All the other roommates were out and had alibis, only you do not have an alibi because how can one have an alibi when they were actually at the murder scene? Not possible to be in two places at one time. Are you going to take the chance with this "door latch" theory, that your whole future is depending on people believe the door latch theory?

Or would you want to put the attention far, far away from you?

To be more clear, if I was Amanda or Raffaele, I would try to be seen together somewhere else, or cause a commotion back at Raffaele's that would let someone else come forward and say, yes they were together at his place at xx:xx. Then at the time if discovery, in front of all, I would say,"that damn door didn't always latch! Several times I found it standing open like I did today!"

Which is similar to what a convicted murderer in my town did when he tried to stage his murder as an accident and get someone else to discover the body.

 

[quesarita]

Yes Rudy's DNA on an empty purse laying on the bed that she wasn't carrying at the time of her killing. What do you think he took out of that purse? I've asked this before because I just don't understand and theres a sock around the handle like the sock was used to pick it up.

I'm not implying anything here btw I just simply don't understand it at all.

Interesting. Maybe he used the sock to avoid leaving fingerprints on the handles of both bags, not expecting his DNA to get left behind INSIDE the bag.

 

[SMK]

Locking the door does give time to someone who was sticking around staging the scene a little. Imo It offers the option of not being able to get ahold of Meredith, as they can't simply open her door. I've always thought they wanted someone else to help in the discovery/calling police. That can't happen if there's access to Meredith's room. I also have always questioned why amanda did not call Meredith from the cottage to see if her phones were in her room.

BBM - I never knew this before, but recently I read in an Investigative text, that this "wanting an objective third party to discover the crime scene with you" is listed as a classic element of crime scene staging.

 

[Myvice]

@ Amber - did you see my post regarding maybe they added the smears to the bathroom later by way of rag or something, a corner they dipped into Meredith's blood and then smeared on.

I see it as a possibility. That would explain why rest of bathroom was clean.

I think it could have easily gotten there during the clean up.

 

[SMK]

To be more clear, if I was Amanda or Raffaele, I would try to be seen together somewhere else, or cause a commotion back at Raffaele's that would let someone else come forward and say, yes they were together at his place at xx:xx. Then at the time if discovery, in front of all, I would say,"that damn door didn't always latch! Several times I found it standing open like I did today!"

Which is similar to what a convicted murderer in my town did when he tried to stage his murder as an accident and get someone else to discover the body.

Well, it is true that Rudy himself went out dancing at Domus purposely to create an alibi for himself - but what good does that do, for him, or Amanda and Raffaelle, by causing a disturbance, if it is after the time of the murder? We know it did Rudy no good.

As for the unlatched door--- it still could point to someone in the cottage, which because the other girls were away, leaves only Amanda , and Rudy as an annex to "the boys downstairs". A break in with smashed window is supposed to scream, "outsider, stranger".

 

[Amber29]

@ Amber - did you see my post regarding maybe they added the smears to the bathroom later by way of rag or something, a corner they dipped into Meredith's blood and then smeared on.

I see it as a possibility. That would explain why rest of bathroom was clean.

Could be I mean they were leaving a bloody bathmat in there, I mean I think they wanted it to seem the killer was in there. I noticed that RS in his prison diary didn't describe the blood on the mat as a footprint either. Strange

 

[Myvice]

Someone took the time to rinse off the blood in the bathroom. There is no blood on the faucets where someone would have turned them on. Why would RG clean up the bathroom when his footprints were all over the bedroom?

 

[aa9511]

To be more clear, if I was Amanda or Raffaele, I would try to be seen together somewhere else, or cause a commotion back at Raffaele's that would let someone else come forward and say, yes they were together at his place at xx:xx. Then at the time if discovery, in front of all, I would say,"that damn door didn't always latch! Several times I found it standing open like I did today!"

Which is similar to what a convicted murderer in my town did when he tried to stage his murder as an accident and get someone else to discover the body.

Ok, I understand. IMO, it would be too close to comfort for me, if I was in their shoes. Also, then you have the issue with the keys, why would the guy lock her door but leave the front door unlocked? Then they would be like, but wait, he locked this door, so why is there no blood on the handle or no signs of anything - the handle it looks so clean and shiny from the outside. Wait...but...how can that be? Why and how did he clean the door? ETc. etc.. And suddenly, all the attention is focused on the door, and on the cleaning. And that all points straight back to Amanda and RS.

With the window staged burglary - the attention gets dispersed far and wide. You notice on this thread, we occasionally come to the doors and them being clean and why were they locked and how were they cleaned, etc., but we are also very distracted with other things, like how did did Rudy get in through the window, or how did they stage the room, or why didn't the "burglar" take this and this, etc. etc..

See how the focus in your situation, gets focused right down to the details, instead of out-wide like it is now.

 

[Amber29]

I think it could have easily gotten there during the clean up.

True as there is no one else's DNA on the light switch, just Meredith's so it's not clear who left it.