Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#12

[SMK]

It was years ago, she's no longer published by any respectable media. She went off the rockers completely and is obsessed with the Knox case but somehow can't sell any of her pieces about it. JMO

No, not years ago: There is a list of her 2012-13 articles on the Journalist site and she was writing on the Pope and some political things. I think she wants to be doing freelance right now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...tand-firm-against-intolerant-agnosticism.html

 

[otto]

Somehow "hoping to have the family's permission" and "demanding to go" are very different things. [modsnip]

Knox has been told repeatedly over the years that her victim's family wants nothing to do with her and they do not want Knox anywhere near Meredith's final resting place. She should know this by now. Everyone else knows it.

[modsnip]

 

[Katody]

Could you please post the time interval and link the video you are referencing where the actor is able to climb to the window without touching the security bars. Without that, I think we have to accept that any other footage is irrelevant, because clearly there were no bars on the window in 2007.

Here's the video for all the people who haven't seen it already.

Everyone can come to his or her own opinion if the climb is easy and if it is manipulated by some dark forces or not

 

[SMK]

Then it's impossible to simulate the climb, so what was the point?

They needed to unbolt the bar grate for the upper window to make their video. They might have paid a handy man to unbolt and then rebolt it. Then it would have been an accurate simulation.

 

[otto]

Here's the video for all the people who haven't seen it already.

Everyone can come to his or her own opinion if it is manipulated by some dark forces or not

Why would anyone need to imagine that "dark forces" are involved? There is no continuos footage of anyone climbing to the window, at any time, without using the newly installed security bars. We all know that with the security bars, it's easier for a climbing enthusiast to climb to the window ledge, but that is not relevant because there were no security bars in 2007.

 

[Katody]

They needed to unbolt the bar grate for the upper window to make their video. They might have paid a handy man to unbolt and then rebolt it. Then it would have been an accurate simulation.

It wouldn't satisfy the believers in manipulation. The window would have to be broken with a rock

 

[SMK]

It's in the video, you know the one edited on orders from the Supertanker to look like it's easy, bars or no bars

What Otto and I have been saying is that it does NOT look easy: It looks like you need to hoist yourself up with security bars which didn't exist in 2007.

 

[Frankie Hellis]

Knox has been told repeatedly over the years that her victim's family wants nothing to do with her and they do not want Knox anywhere near Meredith's final resting place. She should know this by now. Everyone else knows it.

There is no bias in knowing that Knox has been relentless in her efforts to communicate with her victim's family.

[modsnip] She had a donate button on her website and a blurb about wanting to visit Meredith's grave at some point. [modsnip]

 

[SMK]

It wouldn't satisfy the believers in manipulation. The window would have to be broken with a rock

Now that you mention it, for an exact simulation, yes ; the good doctor would have to had hoisted a rock through the window and then entered through the jagged glass without cutting his neck and shoulders.......they ought to have constructed a stage set with all the exact dimensions and measurements, for the simulation. Then it would be very professional.

 

[Katody]

Why would anyone need to imagine that "dark forces" are involved? There is no continuos footage of anyone climbing to the window, at any time, without using the newly installed security bars. We all know that with the security bars, it's easier for a climbing enthusiast to climb to the window ledge, but that is not relevant because there were no security bars in 2007.

They say clearly that the climb is easy, bars or no bars. You believe they edited the footage to only make it look so and they made the demonstrator say it's easy while in fact he couldn't do it.

I remember you initially claimed they support or suspend the climber on something that is off the frame. Basically they did it with movie tricks.
I'm not sure you still believe this, but anyway, the manipulation you believe they did would be a very unethical thing to do and not something everyone involved would easily agree to take part in.

Surely some dark forces made them

 

[quesarita]

Now that you mention it, for an exact simulation, yes ; the good doctor would have to had hoisted a rock through the window and then entered through the jagged glass without cutting his neck and shoulders.......they ought to have constructed a stage set with all the exact dimensions and measurements, for the simulation. Then it would be very professional.

Heh, I agree with you, except that I'm pretty sure he would only have to unlock and open the window through the hole made by the rock, not climb through the hole. Isn't the window open in the later photos?

 

[SMK]

They say clearly that the climb is easy, bars or no bars. You believe they edited the footage to only make it look so and they made the demonstrator say it's easy while in fact he couldn't do it.

I remember you initially claimed they support or suspend the climber on something that is off the frame. Basically they did it with movie tricks.
I'm not sure you still believe this, but anyway, the manipulation you believe they did would be a very unethical thing to do and not something everyone involved would easily agree to take part in.

Surely some dark forces made them

What about simply rationalization? It needn't be dark forces. All advocated (whatever the side, whatever the issue) have a tendency to rationalize facts so that they fit in with their theory. Didn't you say Mignini and the Perugia police had done this?

 

[Katody]

Now that you mention it, for an exact simulation, yes ; the good doctor would have to had hoisted a rock through the window and then entered through the jagged glass without cutting his neck and shoulders.......they ought to have constructed a stage set with all the exact dimensions and measurements, for the simulation. Then it would be very professional.

That's what you all these years thought the defence claimed?

:facepalm:

Wouldn't it make a bit more sense for Guede to unlatch the window and go in without slithering through the hole in the glass pane?

 

[Katody]

What about simply rationalization? It needn't be dark forces. All advocated (whatever the side, whatever the issue) have a tendency to rationalize facts so that they fit in with their theory. Didn't you say Mignini and the Perugia police had done this?

I'm not sure what you mean. The guy couldn't climb up without grabbing the upper bars for support, that is your and otto's claim, isn't it?

 

[SMK]

That's what you all these years thought the defence claimed?

:facepalm:

Wouldn't it make a bit more sense for Guede to unlatch the window and go in without slithering through the hole in the glass pane?

I did not know the window unlatched. I thought it was like American windows. :doh: ..... :snooty: I stand corrected.

 

[Frankie Hellis]

I'm not sure what you mean. The guy couldn't climb up without grabbing the upper bars for support, that is your and otto's claim, isn't it?

And the problem is now that the bars are there, one cannot do it the way it was done on the night of the murder. It is a convenient argument for them at this point.

 

[Katody]

There is no bias in knowing that Knox has been relentless in her efforts to communicate with her victim's family.

:facepalm:

Amanda made no attempt at communicating with the Kerchers. In her interview she said outright that's impossible because they believe she's guilty. She just expressed hope that would change some day.

 

[SMK]

And the problem is now that the bars are there, one cannot do it the way it was done on the night of the murder. It is a convenient argument for them at this point.

Not convenient; it simply is. Maybe they can do a new simulation now, and if it works, I will believe.

 

[quesarita]

I did not know the window unlatched. I thought it was like American windows. :doh: ..... :snooty: I stand corrected.

And that was my point - with no bars, he could push open the window (a casement that opened inward), pull his upper body to the ledge with his head going into the room, and fall in head first, or bring his knees or feet to the ledge and jump in. No need to deal with shards of glass if the window was open at that point, except for what landed on the sill.

 

[Katody]

And the problem is now that the bars are there, one cannot do it the way it was done on the night of the murder. It is a convenient argument for them at this point.

Funny thing that the climber near the end of the video demonstrates how it could be done if the bars were not there. Of course he cannot fully climb in, but to any unbiased observer it's clear that's not hard.