Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13

[TorisMom003]

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What prior violence with women?

Please show me some proof of his prior violence with women.

Thanks.

Also, you assumed that Amanda's prank did not involve knives, so why is it wrong for me to question whether there were knives involved or not?

Whomever told that rumor about Amanda and her pranks would have surely also included pranks that involved knives. If there was a past history of Amanda and any prank involving a knife, it would have been told repeatedly and often as it would paint her in a more disturbing light. Kind of like the to loud party that involved "rock throwing at cars" and such.

MOO

 

[Myvice]

Is this an example of "circular reasoning"? How can it be both? How can there evidence of tampering and manipulation yet at the same time we won't know what was tampered and manipulated because there would be no evidence of it? Shouldn't it be one or the other? Or is this to try to confuse and deflect?

And to answer the question about Rudy and his violence towards women I offer this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/297...er-trial-Rudy-Guede-was-violent-to-women.html

ETA: I think the following is my favorite part of the above article.

"Guede has previously complained that he has been falsely accused of being a drug dealer, a drug user and a criminal, and that instead he led a “tranquil and serene” life."

Being a nuisance doesn't imply violence, IMO.

If we can jump from RG breaking and entering to murder because he was a nuisance, it isn't much of a stretch to go from a staged break-in prank to a staged break-in gone wrong.

 

[TorisMom003]

Being a nuisance doesn't imply violence, IMO.

If we can jump from RG breaking and entering to murder because he was a nuisance, it isn't much of a stretch to go from a staged break-in prank to a staged break-in gone wrong.

Stealing a woman's purse is IMO more than being a nuisance. But we can forget that one if you like. There is another example of Rudy being violent when cornered while comitting a crime. Cristian Tramontano gave a summary statement on 1/7/08. Imagine what Rudy would do to a woman that could ID him, perhaps exactly what he did.

MOO

 

[otto]

Is this an example of "circular reasoning"? How can it be both? How can there evidence of tampering and manipulation yet at the same time we won't know what was tampered and manipulated because there would be no evidence of it? Shouldn't it be one or the other? Or is this to try to confuse and deflect?

And to answer the question about Rudy and his violence towards women I offer this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/297...er-trial-Rudy-Guede-was-violent-to-women.html

ETA: I think the following is my favorite part of the above article.

"Guede has previously complained that he has been falsely accused of being a drug dealer, a drug user and a criminal, and that instead he led a “tranquil and serene” life."

We know that someone that met Guede at some point alleged that Guede was aggressive when drunk (that's true of pretty much all drunks), that he bothered women when he was drunk (again true of most drunk men). That the extent of his history of "violence towards women".

 

[otto]

Stealing a woman's purse is IMO more than being a nuisance. But we can forget that one if you like. There is another example of Rudy being violent when cornered while comitting a crime. Cristian Tramontano gave a summary statement on 1/7/08. Imagine what Rudy would do to a woman that could ID him, perhaps exactly what he did.

MOO

My understanding is that there are no convictions, but purse snatching should result in a conviction. Would you happen to have a link to Guede's criminal convictions, excluding the murder?

 

[SMK]

We know that someone that met Guede at some point alleged that Guede was aggressive when drunk (that's true of pretty much all drunks), that he bothered women when he was drunk (again true of most drunk men). That the extent of his history of "violence towards women".

I think there are bad things that can be dredged up about a lot of people. Right now there are chat texts in the media that an American girl gave to the press as revenge against Sollecito, and they make him look like a liar , a manipulator. and a selfish user. In fact, the girl said she is glad she saw the light or she "would have married a monster".

 

[quesarita]

I think there are bad things that can be dredged up about a lot of people. Right now there are chat texts in the media that an American girl gave to the press as revenge against Sollecito, and they make him look like a liar , a manipulator. and a selfish user. In fact, the girl said she is glad she saw the light or she "would have married a monster".

If you are talking about Kelsey Kay, the woman in the interview linked earlier, she also said Sollecito was "100% innocent".

 

[otto]

We know that Guede is not a good person. He is in prison for his participation in a murder. We also know that Knox is not a good person. She spent four years in jail for destroying a man's life. I doubt either of them were all that nice before they were convicted of criminal activities.

 

[SMK]

If you are talking about Kelsey Kay, the woman in the interview linked earlier, she also said Sollecito was "100% innocent".

Well, of course she said he was innocent ( I am undecided myself) - she was idealistic and obviously in the throes of one of those old-fashioned romances . But that is my whole point - what I meant to convey was, his character looks dreadful in these chats (which is why she gave them to the media - "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", etc.)

 

[otto]

If you are talking about Kelsey Kay, the woman in the interview linked earlier, she also said Sollecito was "100% innocent".

I missed that. Is that in the Radar link?

 

[quesarita]

I missed that. Is that in the Radar link?

Ha ha. It's in another interview she gave to Radar.

 

[TorisMom003]

My understanding is that there are no convictions, but purse snatching should result in a conviction. Would you happen to have a link to Guede's criminal convictions, excluding the murder?

I do not. However, he must have some sort of criminal history since the police ID'd him by his fingerprints being in the system.

 

[otto]

Ha ha. It's in another interview she gave to Radar.

I see that I'm a late comer to learning what the tabloids have to say about the case. She must be getting rich with all the interviews.

 

[otto]

I do not. However, he must have some sort of criminal history since the police ID'd him by his fingerprints being in the system.

That happened when he broke into the law office, but there were no prior criminal convictions, and certainly nothing in relation to violence towards women or purse snatching. That's all rumor.

 

[SMK]

I missed that. Is that in the Radar link?

You can read all the chat texts at the Star link:

http://starmagazine.com/2014/01/22/...oyfriends-desperate-affair/#jp-carousel-78250

 

[SMK]

Ha ha. It's in another interview she gave to Radar.

No, it's an interview with Star, and she gave them nearly their entire chat history :laugh:

 

[aa9511]

It's a statement of fact. You're creating the illusion of circular reasoning with your question. If you have some proof of a relationship between the 3 of them, or Rudy with either of the 2 of them, please provide it.

I thought we already agreed that Amanda knew Rudy? Remember, Meredith knew him from hanging out downstairs with him, you were the one who pointed that out. And Amanda was also there, so thus by using your reasoning, Amanda knew him too.

 

[quesarita]

I see that I'm a late comer to learning what the tabloids have to say about the case. She must be getting rich with all the interviews.

That's a distinct possibility!

 

[TorisMom003]

Well, of course she said he was innocent ( I am undecided myself) - she was idealistic and obviously in the throes of one of those old-fashioned romances . But that is my whole point - what I meant to convey was, his character looks dreadful in these chats (which is why she gave them to the media - "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", etc.)

She may not realize it but releasing those texts does not help her look any better either, IMO. Reading them it appears that she was right there with him about marrying an American (her of course) for him to stay out of the Italian prison if convicted. It appears she only got really ticked off at him when she found out he was seeing another woman. Then the ranting (and cursing) came from her side. I hope she was well compensated for her giving those to Radar. Well enough that she doesn't need to rely on a job anytime soon to support herself. I also hope that she doesn't mind being alone, without a man for companionship, as I doubt many men would really want a serious relationship with her now after reading how she aired her dirty laundry for everyone to see.

MOO

 

[aa9511]

I understand you admit there is no evidence of staging the rape.

That is the answer to the question of, if none of Rudy's bloody clothes were found, does that mean he was naked when he committed the murder?

Perhaps my question was too wordy and so not clear. Let me ask it a different way:

Was Rudy naked when he committed the murder?