Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13

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bbm

Yes, exactly. If we are supposed to accept that the prosection did this elaborate scheme to get Amanda and RS - for whatever reason, we don't know (maybe they didn't like their hair color) - which involved an organization-wide conspiracy, involving planting DNA at the crime scene as well as purposefully "contaminating" the lab, covering up the truth in order to nail them (for what, as I said we don't know), bribing witnesses, etc.. - then I have no qualms about saying that Amanda and RS thought out a plan to stage the scene to make it look like a sociopathic burglar came in to rape and murder Meredith.

If all this planting of evidence was going on, why was Patrick Lumumba released. The theory seems to be that once police committed themselves to arresting the culprits, they could not reverse a decision because it would make them look bad. At the same time, they reversed the decision to arrest Patrick and released him.
 
  • #182
That's an interesting site, but I have to question whether the content is objective. This is in the "about us" comments:

"Our first mission began in early 2010 when we created Injustice in Perugia (IIP), a grassroots organization that worked to secure freedom for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, two innocent people wrongfully convicted for murder in Perugia, Italy. Both were declared innocent on appeal in October 2011 after 1427 days of wrongful imprisonment."

http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/aboutus/

Yes, well the title "wrongfulconvictionnews" kind of gave away what direction it would be slanted..................
 
  • #183
This is an interesting article which offers some insight into Rudy's background.

It states he was diagnosed as having Psychogenic Dissociation, commonly known as “Fugue State” while in prison.

Moreover, that in the month and a half prior to the murder of Meredith Kercher, Guede had robbed four people, set a fire, killed a cat and was caught with stolen goods from two robberies.

http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/the-murder-of-meredith-kercher/


I really hate to belabor the point of articles but because we have just gone through the Radar Online and Star I just have a need to point out some things in this article.

The author states that this case has been a pinnacle for yellow journalism but goes on to state the following:

RG was diagnosed with fugue state meaning he has been diagnosed by professionals. But the author then takes it another step suggesting that from his laymans POV, he sees many characteristics of Dissocial personality disorder and bases many things in his article on his laymans POV. He also uses and exaggerated definition of fugue state.

Fugue state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He then goes on to state that RG was involved in other burglaries, one never reported, one where he still had the stolen items and one where a gold watch was found but it was speculated to have come from the worst of those that involved many aspects of the MK murder. I guess he just decided that his speculation was good enough and he didn't need to bother with checking because RG was known, at least after the article was written, be a drifter with major mental problems.

I'm not trying to stick up for RG. I'm just calling out the author for his claims on yellow journalism when he exaggerates and uses speculation as fact to come up with his own sensationalized article.
 
  • #184
No I don't but I didn't write the very detailed email that AK did. Again she described the mat in detail but failed to mention bits.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Email_Home

i undressed in my room and took a quick shower in one of the two
bathrooms in my house, the one that is right next to meredith and my
bedrooms (situated right next to one another). it was after i stepped
out of the shower and onto the mat that i noticed the blood in the
bathroom. it was on the mat i was using to dry my feet and there were
drops of blood in the sink. at first i thought the blood might have
come from my ears which i had pierced extrensively not too long ago,
but then immediately i know it wasnt mine becaus the stains on the mat
were too big for just droplets form my ear, and when i touched the
blood in the sink it was caked on already. there was also blood
smeered on the faucet. again, however, i thought it was strange,
because my roommates and i are very clean and we wouldnt leave blood
int he bathroom, but i assumed that perhaps meredith was having
menstral issues and hadnt cleaned up yet. ew, but nothing to worry
about. i left the bathroom and got dressed in my room. after i got
dressed i went to the other bathroom in my house, the one that

I like the part "ew, but nothing to worry about."
 
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Yes, well the title "wrongfulconvictionnews" kind of gave away what direction it would be slanted..................

I clicked on the link, unaware of the origins of the site until I looked for that information.
 
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Oops, I see I'm late to the show LOL. I'm slow!
 
  • #187
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bbm

Yes, exactly. If we are supposed to accept that the prosection did this elaborate scheme to get Amanda and RS - for whatever reason, we don't know (maybe they didn't like their hair color) - which involved an organization-wide conspiracy, involving planting DNA at the crime scene as well as purposefully "contaminating" the lab, covering up the truth in order to nail them (for what, as I said we don't know), bribing witnesses, etc.. - then I have no qualms about saying that Amanda and RS thought out a plan to stage the scene to make it look like a sociopathic burglar came in to rape and murder Meredith.

The difference is in the evidence.
Lack of, in case of your theory.
Plenty, when it comes to the police lying, manipulating, mishandling and destroying evidence.
 
  • #188
So the bottom line is that there is no MSM link connecting Guede to arson, cat killing and theft of a watch; no link to validate the claim.

Why would police fail to follow up on an arson ... or is that an assumption based on the fact that Guede has not been charged with arson?

Did police allow Guede to keep the laptop? How did the lawyer confirm it was his laptop?

Isn't arson the deliberate setting of a fire? That wasn't the fireman's conclusion from the articles I've read, they said it was accidentally caused by the intruder throwing a scarf over a lamp.

There are no MSM articles on the fire at all, at least not on Google. If I was in Perugia and could read Italian, maybe I could search police and local paper files to find one, but I don't.

"On October 29 a colleague had called Paolo Brocchi to tell him that in the hallway was a person who said he had been found in Milan with items that Mr. Brocchi had reported as stolen, but which he claimed to have acquired legally in Milan. Paolo Brocchi immediately recognized that person as Rudy Guede (p. 20, hearing of 6-26-2009)" - Massei report
 
  • #189
If all this planting of evidence was going on, why was Patrick Lumumba released. The theory seems to be that once police committed themselves to arresting the culprits, they could not reverse a decision because it would make them look bad. At the same time, they reversed the decision to arrest Patrick and released him.

Lumumba's alibi was confirmed by dozen witnesses not just by computers that can be fried.
 
  • #190
No I don't but I didn't write the very detailed email that AK did. Again she described the mat in detail but failed to mention bits.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Email_Home

i undressed in my room and took a quick shower in one of the two
bathrooms in my house, the one that is right next to meredith and my
bedrooms (situated right next to one another). it was after i stepped
out of the shower and onto the mat that i noticed the blood in the
bathroom. it was on the mat i was using to dry my feet and there were
drops of blood in the sink. at first i thought the blood might have
come from my ears which i had pierced extrensively not too long ago,
but then immediately i know it wasnt mine becaus the stains on the mat
were too big for just droplets form my ear, and when i touched the
blood in the sink it was caked on already. there was also blood
smeered on the faucet. again, however, i thought it was strange,
because my roommates and i are very clean and we wouldnt leave blood
int he bathroom, but i assumed that perhaps meredith was having
menstral issues and hadnt cleaned up yet. ew, but nothing to worry
about. i left the bathroom and got dressed in my room. after i got
dressed i went to the other bathroom in my house, the one that

She described what was important, the traces she found and circumstances of the discovery of the crime. Why would she write about forgetting her towel? I don't understand.
 
  • #191
Isn't arson the deliberate setting of a fire? That wasn't the fireman's conclusion from the articles I've read, they said it was accidentally caused by the intruder throwing a scarf over a lamp.

There are no MSM articles on the fire at all, at least not on Google. If I was in Perugia and could read Italian, maybe I could search police and local paper files to find one, but I don't.

"On October 29 a colleague had called Paolo Brocchi to tell him that in the hallway was a person who said he had been found in Milan with items that Mr. Brocchi had reported as stolen, but which he claimed to have acquired legally in Milan. Paolo Brocchi immediately recognized that person as Rudy Guede (p. 20, hearing of 6-26-2009)" - Massei report

That's from page 46 of the Massei Report. The paragragh following that statement describes how Guede climbed a metal "grille" on a door to access French doors on the second floor, where he entered the law office. The lawyer, Brocchi, is not connected with the cat, a fire and a missing watch. As far as I can see, neither is Guede.

The exact same circumstance (door, grill, French doors) was available at the cottage: a metal grill over a door on the main floor, French doors on the second floor, but this method for breaking into the cottage was not used on the night of the murder.
 
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The exact same circumstance (door, grill, French doors) was available at the cottage: a metal grill over a door on the main floor, French doors on the second floor, but this method for breaking into the cottage was not used on the night of the murder.

Just a note for the unaware: The metal grill on the door in the cottage was covered by overhanging roof from above. Not an easy climb.
 
  • #194
That's from page 46 of the Massei Report. The paragragh following that statement describes how Guede climbed a metal "grille" on a door to access French doors on the second floor, where he entered the law office. The lawyer, Brocchi, is not connected with the cat, a fire and a missing watch. As far as I can see, neither is Guede.

The exact same circumstance (door, grill, French doors) was available at the cottage: a metal grill over a door on the main floor, French doors on the second floor, but this method for breaking into the cottage was not used on the night of the murder.

I included the quote from Massei because you asked about the lawyers' laptop and I think you know that.
 
  • #195
AA9511- I've done some more thinking on your question and I'd like to use a sports analogy to explain why I get so heated when discussing Steffanoni and the prosecutions handling of evidence. Consider the case like a football game where the refererees' calls (in this case the analysis and interpretation of evidence and the carrying out of interrogations) all seem to go against one team. As an impartial viewer of the game, I become a little suspicious. What if then, on instant replay, the replays show that many but not all of the calls were unjustified (in this case, the instant replays are represented by C-V's court appointed impartial criticism of Steffanoni's work). I bet then you might become VERY suspicious of the referees impartiality. What if then these penalties are determined to be non-reviewable plays (in this case MK's purported DNA on the knife, RS's DNA on the now rusted bra clasp, the luminol positive/TMB negative footprints, the fried harddrives and even the interrogation since none of these can be retested or revisited). Additionally, what if some of these non-reviewable plays had a significant impact on the game ( in this case resulting in a guilty verdict; note I am presuming the worst in the current trial). Now, what if the losing team appeals the game to the commisioner of the league (in the case the ISC) and the commisioner says, "too bad, those are the rules and you have to live with the results (I have little hope that a guilty verdict would be reversed by the ISC). I bet that you, as a unbiased fan, would be disgusted with the referees (in this case the prosecution's interrogators and their scientific experts (Steffanoni and the computer analysts)). You might even be a little disgusted with the rules that allowed this travesty to occur and the commissioner who had it in his discretion to make things right but didn't. You are at least hoping that the referees would get penalized in some way, maybe get suspended or lose their jobs completely.

This is how I feel about the conduct of this entire case. It truly makes me disgusted with the entire Italian justice system AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS CASE. My disgust is particularly harsh toward Steffanoni since her work was done in an area where I have a little expertese.

Agghhh, Bill_C I just was in the process of wriitng you back a long response - and I have lost it due to pushing some button accidentally. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I will have to write it again later, when I have more patience.
 
  • #196
She described what was important, the traces she found and circumstances of the discovery of the crime. Why would she write about forgetting her towel? I don't understand.

She included details like undressing in her room before the shower. I don't know why she left out certain details, do you? Like I said I pointed out all the details she did include about the mat. Perhaps she failed to mention the bathmat boogie because it didn't happen and she hadn't thought it up yet.
 
  • #197
It's also in the Massei report, that a woman's gold watch was found in Rudy's backpack when he was searched after the nursery incident. The nursery had also had a break-in a couple of weeks earlier in which the intruder cooked a big messy meal in the kitchen, which was also done in the break in involving the cat and the gold watch.

Yes, but the cat dying as a result of the fire would lead one to think it was an accident. That has a different connotation than "killing a cat," IMO.
"Killing a cat" implies some intent involved, such as taking a knife and cutting the cat to pieces, burning the cat by throwing gasoline on it and then setting it on fire just for the fun of it, taking a piece of rope and attaching it to a tree and hanging the cat, etc..
 
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Has it ever been explained what key that is that was left on Meredith's jeans after she was killed? Is it the key to the front door of the cottage?
 
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I am not into the site war controversy. I want the truth regardless of where it comes from. Is the information accurate and true, Otto? Did Guede set a fire and kill a cat? Was he diagnosed with Psychogenic Dissociation?

Yes, it looks as though he was diagnosed with Psychogenic Dissociation but the definition that the author gave is incorrect. All fugue amounts to is amnesia according to the link I posted.

I really do believe we all want the truth, we've just read different view points. To me the differing views come from the fact the trial is in Italy and we have to rely on interpretations of how things happened.
 
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