Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13

[Katody]

Much, much easier. Let's see.....several feet less to climb up, easy rails already provided to grab onto, involves more easy and simple walking rather than climbing, no shutters to deal with (while hanging off a wall), no need for needing to somehow manage rock and open shutter at same time and risk falling or getting cut all over with glass, or alternatively, climbing twice - if shutters were closed, less risk of falling back and dying, less risk of breaking bones, less risk of being seen, the wall texture is less slippery than the brick - so less risk of dying, and more.

The balcony is exposed, visible from the street and windows on the other side of it and lit by nearby streetlight. No way to safely break the glass.

Climb to Filomena's window which is not exposed and in the dark is childishly easy, as shown on TV . Filomena herself was aware how unsafe her window was and petitioned her landlord to install bars.

BTW, jumping down from 2 meters off the ground is rather not going to kill you :facepalm:

 

[Katody]

scaling a shear wall at night, possibly in the rain, with nothing to hold onto except a small window ledge covered with broken glass

Of course Guede had solid and trusty foothold in the lower window and after opening Filomena's window the whole wooden frame to grab onto and hoist himself in.

 

[quesarita]

We all form our opinions based on the validity of the information we read. The linked site said that Guede "set a fire" and "killed a cat". I had never seen any verifiable information about arson and animal killing, so had I put down to rumor. When I read that this morning, I did envision Guede torturing a cat and deliberately committing arson. Then it was posted that the fire was an accident, where a scarf on a lamp started on fire. That doesn't realy seem like arson. If the cat died in the fire, that doesn't really seem like killing a cat. Regarding a stolen watch, although Guede had a watch in his backpack, apparently there was no reason for police to be suspicious about the watch as the watch was not confiscated.

In my humble opinion, it still appears to be little more than rumor.

I won't be searching for links about an accidental fire in Perugia where a cat died.

OK, I suppose my indignation was because I had never linked to that site you're referring to, or said that the fire was anything but an accident - caused by an intruder.

I disagree; I feel there was ample reason for the police to be suspicious of the gold watch in the possession of the neighbor of the woman who reported it stolen. Even if they did know the lawyers' lap top was stolen when they released him, they knew shortly after, and the two items together should have been reason to go around and talk to him again. IMO

 

[Amber29]

The other question to you is why do you think she didn't include Lumumba's text or Popovic or what movies she watched in the e-mail you claim is very detailed? How is that different than not mentioning forgetting a towel?

I'm ready to change my opinion if you have some explanation for this.

Actually I find it odd she left it at one sentance to describe their evening in such a long exaggerated email. So your points of what she left out goes with her description of their evening(vague). While when it comes to the next day, she goes into far more detail. Wouldn't you agree?

after a little while of playing guitar me and raffael went to his
house to watch movies and after to eat dinner and generally spend the
evening and night indoors. we didnt go out. the next morning i woke up

 

[TorisMom003]

I see a light on the balcony that would shine down to the door of the downstairs cottage in the following pic. Was this a light that was left on when the guys downstairs was not at home? Was this a motion detector light that turned on when it detected movement? Is this light the reason why Rudy did not use the balcony as a means to enter the upstairs cottage?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oxy-Knoxys-role-Meredith-Kerchers-murder.html

 

[otto]

I see a light on the balcony that would shine down to the door of the downstairs cottage in the following pic. Was this a light that was left on when the guys downstairs was not at home? Was this a motion detector light that turned on when it detected movement? Is this light the reason why Rudy did not use the balcony as a means to enter the upstairs cottage?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oxy-Knoxys-role-Meredith-Kerchers-murder.html

There has been debate about whether the balcony and Filomina's window were visible from the road on a dark night. In my opinion, if someone was looking, both were visible from the road. However, Filomina's window is much closer to the road, so it would be easier to recognize someone perched on a second story window ledge. Someone on the balcony would not attract attention, and it would not be difficult to quickly climb the grill when no car lights were approaching the cottage (the line of sight from road to balcony is a much larger distance).

 

[Katody]

Actually I find it odd she left it at one sentance to describe their evening in such a long exaggerated email. So your points of what she left out goes with her description of their evening(vague). While when it comes to the next day, she goes into far more detail. Wouldn't you agree?

No, I think she goes into detail when it comes to the circumstances of discovering the crime.

You seem to think she should explain herself in the e-mail, giving herself alibi and explaining the luminol traces. That demonstrably does not happen. She doesn't mention the details of her alibi, as I pointed out before and she doesn't mention walking barefoot. It's because the e-mail is not about her alibi, it's about how the discovery happened.

 

[SMK]

Just wanted to interject something about Guede here:

Even viewing him somewhat liberally, he is clearly a suspicious character and clearly not above committing certain criminal acts.

That said, it doesn't really prove anything about Knox and Sollecito with regard to the particular crime in question.

I wont bore everyone with once again going into the details of my family's personal experience, but suffice it to say that it is possible - and I know this for a fact - for a collegiate type to deliberately hook up with someone known for their proclivity to commit criminal acts , in order to get something accomplished (such as a break and entry/violent assault on someone with whom they are angry).

 

[Katody]

There has been debate about whether the balcony and Filomina's window were visible from the road on a dark night. In my opinion, if someone was looking, both were visible from the road. However, Filomina's window is much closer to the road, so it would be easier to recognize someone perched on a second story window ledge. Someone on the balcony would not attract attention, and it would not be difficult to quickly climb the grill when no car lights were approaching the cottage (the line of sight from road to balcony is a much larger distance).

The balcony was above road level, facing the road and the houses on the other side, and also brightly lit by the streetlights.

The window was in the dark and anyone climbing it would be below road level and behind the corner of the house, hidden from view.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I might feel differently (doubt it tho) if Amanda was the only one whose tale kept changing. Raff's did too.
All three of them IMO are guilty.


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[Myvice]

Just wanted to interject something about Guede here:

Even viewing him somewhat liberally, he is clearly a suspicious character and clearly not above committing certain criminal acts.

That said, it doesn't really prove anything about Knox and Sollecito with regard to the particular crime in question.

I wont bore everyone with once again going into the details of my family's personal experience, but suffice it to say that it is possible - and I know this for a fact - for a collegiate type to deliberately hook up with someone known for their proclivity to commit criminal acts , in order to get something accomplished (such as a break and entry/violent assault on someone with whom they are angry).

ITA. I feel like I'm somehow defending RG all the time and that is not my intent. He's guilty and serving the time the court sentenced him to.

However, the author of that article laid judgment on RG for being diagnosed with fugue and went on to claim he had some kind of psychosis based on his personal beliefs... as if he knew more than the professional that had previously made a diagnosis. As far as we know, he had never personally met RG.

Then we have RS stating in a text that AK was a crazy girl that wanted fame that had mental issues. Considering he had lived with her, I'd say he has a better perspective than the author of the article had of RG.

Do we condemn AK in the same manner then?

 

[Katody]

Then we have RS stating in a text that AK was a crazy girl that wanted fame that had mental issues.

No we don't have. There's nothing like this in the texts.

 

[Katody]

I might feel differently (doubt it tho) if Amanda was the only one whose tale kept changing. Raff's did too.
All three of them IMO are guilty.

Yes, both of them "changed their stories" during the overnight unrecorded interrogation without a lawyer.

I wonder what would the recording show.

 

[Myvice]

No we don't have. There's nothing like this in the texts.

Yes we do. I quoted it yesterday. You can look through my history.

 

[Amber29]

The balcony was above road level, facing the road and the houses on the other side, and also brightly lit by the streetlights.

The window was in the dark and anyone climbing it would be below road level and behind the corner of the house, hidden from view.

A person on a balcony at night wouldn't even get a second glance from a passing car as there is nothing suspicious about it. Even climbing up it would've been easy to avoid doing so while a car was passing because you would see lights coming.

While climbing a window, opening shutters, sitting on a ledge unlocking the window, and climbing in he would've been visible. There's nothing hidden about Filomenas window.

 

[Katody]

Yes we do. I quoted it yesterday. You can look through my history.

Thanks, but I've read those texts and there was nothing such. There was no mention of Amanda at all in them.

 

[Amber29]

Yes, both of them "changed their stories" during the overnight unrecorded interrogation without a lawyer.

I wonder what would the recording show.

Do you think RS didn't say "I previously told a load of rubbish" line? Is that made up by the police?

 

[Katody]

A person on a balcony at night wouldn't even get a second glance from a passing car as there is nothing suspicious about it. Even climbing up it would've been easy to avoid doing so while a car was passing because you would see lights coming.

While climbing a window, opening shutters, sitting on a ledge unlocking the window, and climbing in he would've been visible. There's nothing hidden about Filomenas window.

We disagree, obviously. Braking modern hard double layered glass on the balcony would make a lot of noise. Let's say some neighbor hears it, looks and see a person there. The police would have surprised Guede inside the cottage.

OTOH Guede could break Filomena's ancient single pane window and withdraw into darkness to wait and see if someone noticed and then enter safely.


Also, why would anyone want to sit on the ledge? That's completely unnecessary.

 

[Katody]

Do you think RS didn't say "I previously told a load of rubbish" line? Is that made up by the police?

Where is this line? Do you have a transcript?

 

[Amber29]

We disagree, obviously. Braking modern hard double layered glass on the balcony would make a lot of noise. Let's say some neighbor hears it, looks and see a person there. The police would have surprised Guede inside the cottage.

OTOH Guede could break Filomena's ancient single pane window and withdraw into darkness to wait and see if someone noticed and then enter safely.


Also, why would anyone want to sit on the ledge? That's completely unnecessary.

I didn't know there was anything modern about the cottage. Either way breaking glass is breaking glass IMO.

As far as the ledge, isn't it claimed that RG sat there and removed glass stacking in a nice little pile? Or was he hanging from the ledge when he did that?