Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13

[aa9511]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I found them at least equally convincing. Trial conclusions are just that - conclusions. If they were always right there would be no wrongful convictions around the world.

I still absolutely do not understand why the bedroom wasn't tested for foot prints after some were found in the hall way.

Yes, that's fine. But exclusion of evidence shouldn't automatically disqualify the evidence that they did find.

 

[redheadedgal]

considering the supposed "footprint" amanda left in front of MK's door, she must wear oddly shaped, custom made shoes...

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-01.html



but it doesn't appear that her feet are oddly shaped at all... hmmm...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-knox-trial-meredith-kercher-3052789#.UuMYFXbTn4g

 

[sherlockh]

When was she raped in your scenario? His bloody handprint and footprints were on the pillow which was under her, when did those get there?

Massei report:
http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

The place where Guede stepped on and grabbed the pillow is by the bed IMO. That is where pillows usually are, and this is where you find the other (half) shoe prints. There is no sign of shoe prints or traces from a bloody hand around and on Meredith.

 

[otto]

Nor do I; I have just been trying to clarify with my recent posts as there may be some confusion. I agree with what you say: There is a pro-innocence wiki and a pro-guilt wiki but "hate site" and "fake" are not terms which should be used, IMO :moo:

There's a wiki, and a wordpress blog, and for some reason, the owner of the blog uses the name of the wiki and a wiki blog template. It's very strange.

 

[aa9511]

OT
I have a huge file on my personal photobucket for forum smilies. I collect smilies.

You can right click and save it to your photos on your computer.

bbm

Oh, thank you so much!

 

[Harmony 2]

Thank you I never enjoy the fight over the sites. I do have to say though I wish certain terms weren't allowed when describing sites one disagrees with such as "fake wiki" "hate site" and so on, as it only seems to happens in describing a couple sites that happen to share the same opinion.

Please alert when you see those terms... thanks

 

[SMK]

There's a wiki, and a wordpress blog, and for some reason, the owner of the blog uses the name of the wiki and a wiki blog template. It's very strange.

Well, to mimic and to mirror while refuting all points is the name of the game

 

[aa9511]

It would have been extremely useful for reconstructing the theoretical "clean-up", no?

Yes, I agree with this. It would have been useless for the pools of blood and the very bloody parts of the room, but it could have been used for parts which were not as bloody, and directly by the door. However, I am no crime-scene expert, so perhaps there is a reason they did not which we are not aware of.

 

[redheadedgal]

It's a known fact that luminol degrades the quality of the sample, making TMB less useful with samples revealed with luminol. TMB is intended for use with a blood sample that is visible, luminol is intended for use with samples that are not visible. TMB is used to confirm that blood is blood, luminol is used to understand crime scene reconstruction. They are not two different tests to do the same thing.

the US court that adjudicated Brenk vs. Arkansas, 1993, as referred to earlier, would disagree, as do many forensic and scientific journals/websites that can be found online.

 

[MichaelSmith]

bbm

Why are the times all over the place? I think it's because two people Amanda and RS are constantly lying about the time, changing it changing it to suit their needs and fit into the "pressure interrogation" scenario.

We were talking about what the cops testified about the interrogation times not what the students said happened.

 

[Linda7NJ]

considering the supposed "footprint" amanda left in front of MK's door, she must wear oddly shaped, custom made shoes...

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-01.html



but it doesn't appear that her feet are oddly shaped at all... hmmm...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-knox-trial-meredith-kercher-3052789#.UuMYFXbTn4g

There is more than a little talk of a photoshopped photo of that exact footprint posted by Amanda supporters.
I'm sorry but i would need a different source to be convinced.

It actually appears to be two overlapping footprints. One barefoot and one shod.

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[sherlockh]

Yes, I agree with this. It would have been useless for the pools of blood and the very bloody parts of the room, but it could have been used for parts which were not as bloody, and directly by the door. However, I am no crime-scene expert, so perhaps there is a reason they did not which we are not aware of.

The one place I would have liked to see Luminol testing is the outside of the bathroom door. The judge logically concluded (because the door opens inwards, and the blood drip remainder on the side of the door) that the door was pushed open with somebody with blood on their hands and then later cleaned. Why was there no Luminol testing done? I have no idea.

Massei report (BBM)

The mixed trace specimens found in the sink and in the bidet and on the box of cotton buds therefore signify that Amanda, soiled with Meredith’s blood, entered the bathroom which was right next door to the room in which Meredith had been stabbed; putting her hand against the door she left a mark on it and the dribble of blood which remained is a sign [proof] of this, and left a mark also

 

[aa9511]

After she was dead?

IED the scream was followed almost immediately by the sound of footsteps running by ear wtiness.

After a scream so loud a
neighbor heard, Meredith is laying there bleeding out, Rudy waited around a bit....then moved her to sexually assault her?

IMO the scream occurred, the knife to silence her, followed almost immediately by running out the door makes more sense to me. It lines up better with everything else.

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I believe accidental strike with knife, they decide on over-kill to make it look like someone intentionally came in and killed her, then all 3 run out. This could have all happened within a very short time period.

They could have even gotten back in time to open up Naruto at 9:26 for alibi purposes.

They could not turn on their phones to call someone for alibi purposes, b/c they had already turned their phones off for the prank. So their phones were off. If they turned them on, that would be obvious give-away - phone turned off at 8:42, then turned on again at 9:26 or whenever, that would be very obvious give-away as when the murder happened, and also that Amanda and RS phones were off during the time of the murder would point straight to them.

They could not see anyone for alibi purposes, b/c they decided at the cottage afterwards, when they were coming up with their plan for what to do - that their alibi would be that they stayed in all night and their alibi would be each other. Besides, they did not have time to meet anyone for an alibi, becaues first they had to clean themselves up, and then they had to go and take care of their business at the cottage (staging).

 

[Linda7NJ]

I believe accidental strike with knife, they decide on over-kill to make it look like someone intentionally came in and killed her, then all 3 run out. This could have all happened within a very short time period.



They could have even gotten back in time to open up Naruto at 9:26 for alibi purposes.



They could not turn on their phones to call someone for alibi purposes, b/c they had already turned their phones off for the prank. So their phones were off. If they turned them on, that would be obvious give-away - phone turned off at 8:42, then turned on again at 9:26 or whenever, that would be very obvious give-away as when the murder happened, and also that Amanda and RS phones were off during the time of the murder would point straight to them.



They could not see anyone for alibi purposes, b/c they decided at the cottage afterwards, when they were coming up with their plan for what to do - that their alibi would be that they stayed in all night and their alibi would be each other. Besides, they did not have time to meet anyone for an alibi, becaues first they had to clean themselves up, and then they had to go and take care of their business at the cottage (staging).

I just don't believe any of it was accidental. Perhaps they got "carried away" and didn't intend to kill her when it began..but the murder IMO was no accident.


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[aa9511]

Has this been posted yet?

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[aa9511]

I just don't believe any of it was accidental. Perhaps they got "carried away" and didn't intend to kill her when it began..but the murder IMO was no accident.


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I understand. For me, accident is easier to understand. I can actually see something like that really happening. And then the actions made afterwares (overkill, staging of body and scene) were done out of desperation.

It also would account for their actions over the years (strongly insistening on their innocence).

It would also account for why none 3 ever talked about each other (Rudy cannot talk because he did the overkill b/c Amanda and RS couldn't bring themselves to do it, and Amanda and RS can't talk b/c they did all of the cover-up and staging, tampering with evidence, and the accidental wound, plus the whole prank idea which led to it all).

It explains everything for me.

 

[redheadedgal]

This is where I found a clear, concise explanation about the different uses, sensitivities and limitations of Luminol and TMB. I have collected information from various parts of the report and summarized it below.

Luminol Accuracy

Sensitivity
− 10‐6 to 10‐8: most sensitive presumptive test (10 to the power of -6, or -8)

Specificity
− Many false positives: bleach, metals, chemical oxidants, vegetable peroxidases
− Will not detect differences in animal or human blood
...

interesting... thanks otto for highlighting this fact

 

[aa9511]

Oh one more thing, Linda, it would also explain their cell phones turning off at 8:42 (they turned them off to do the prank so Meredith wouldn't hear any phones ringing when they were waiting to scare her).

 

[aa9511]

When was she raped in your scenario? His bloody handprint and footprints were on the pillow which was under her, when did those get there?



Massei report:
http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

Is it verified true that that is Rudy's shoeprint on the pillow?

 

[aa9511]

I believe she was moved way after by either Amanda or Raff as evidenced by her shoulder, still wearing her bra. imprinted in blood, on the floor.

I believe one them placed the pillow under her to make the sexual assault MORE blatantly obvious as part of their staging. I believe RS cut her bra off as part of the staging to point to one killer, a rapist that broke in. That's why the hallway blood was cleaned up. That's why the window was broken after the scene was staged.
The only person on the planet that would have a reason to clean that hallway was Amanda Knox.


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Why would they need to stage the rape if the rape was real? If Rudy raped her, then rape really happened. Then why the need to stage it.

I don't believe any rape actually happened. JMO.