Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[dog.gone.cute]

Here is the link for the Twitter page of reporter Andrea Vogt :

Vogt tweeted from the courthouse on yesterday's proceedings ...


https://twitter.com/andreavogt


:twocents: She is one of the few UNbiased reporters covering this case, IMO ...

 

[SweetT]

My husband can undo my bra clasp blind folded with his hands tied behind his back and short nails. Guess he's the exception.

 

[aa9511]

I did not follow the last case, and only know things here and there from online browsing and things. I saw video clips (or maybe pictures?) shown on TV of Amanda and Raffael (sp?) hugging and kissing outside as the police are in the house the next day. It seems obvious to me just from seeing those clips/pics that she and RS were high and out of it due do some kind of drug use, that is just not how normal people act during something so serious. They were doing some drugs. So whether that was at RS home like they claim, or that was with Meredith is the question.

 

[SweetT]

I did not follow the last case, and only know things here and there from online browsing and things. I saw video clips (or maybe pictures?) shown on TV of Amanda and Raffael (sp?) hugging and kissing outside as the police are in the house the next day. It seems obvious to me just from seeing those clips/pics that she and RS were high and out of it due do some kind of drug use, that is just not how normal people act during something so serious. They were doing some drugs. So whether that was at RS home like they claim, or that was with Meredith is the question.

Wouldn't they do a toxicology report on Meredith? They would know if she had any drugs in her system at all. I don't know if that was done but I would assume so.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I did not follow the last case, and only know things here and there from online browsing and things. I saw video clips (or maybe pictures?) shown on TV of Amanda and Raffael (sp?) hugging and kissing outside as the police are in the house the next day. It seems obvious to me just from seeing those clips/pics that she and RS were high and out of it due do some kind of drug use, that is just not how normal people act during something so serious. They were doing some drugs. So whether that was at RS home like they claim, or that was with Meredith is the question.

BBM: Here ya go ...













:twocents: JMO ... both Knox and Raf look like they were up all night ...

 

[rose222]

I was very happy to see Mr. Patrick Lumumba at the courthouse yesterday ...





:twocents: Amanda RUINED this man's life and business when she accused this INNOCENT MAN of Meredith's murder ... she needs to make restitution immediately ...

Initially I too thought that perhaps Knox was innocent. I simply read what was on the news...an innocent, white, American girl the victim of a corrupt and incompetent Italian justice system etc. A good lesson on why it is important to look at the evidence rather than listen to the news!

Yep. You do NOT for any reason accuse an innocent man of murder. And how convenient that he happened to be black! There is no good reason for that and exhaustion is by far the lamest excuse.

There is no good to change stories of where you were on the night of the murder. Exhaustion? Please! It would taken an innocent person 10 seconds to tell the police the essentials and there would be only ONE *version*. Not 2 or 3 or 4...

Could go on and on but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck! Knox is guilty of participating in the murder. I'm not sure to what extent but I'm anxiously waiting for the Italian court to decide.

 

[SweetT]

I agree Amanda does not look freshly showered to me or hair blow dried recently JMO. Also I would trim my nails too if I knew I had blood under them or dna evidence. Again JMO

 

[josie1986]

Here is the link for the Twitter page of reporter Andrea Vogt :

Vogt tweeted from the courthouse on yesterday's proceedings ...


https://twitter.com/andreavogt


:twocents: She is one of the few UNbiased reporters covering this case, IMO ...

thanks for the link :seeya:

 

[aa9511]

:twocents: IMO, because Amanda and Rafaelle did not "rat" Rudy out at the start either ...

See, Rudy fled to Germany a day or two after Meredith's murder ... he was "on the run" until he was finally caught and brought back to Italy ...

Amanda and Rafaelle were in Perugia ... BUT according to Amanda, she stayed to "assist in the investigation" ... but actually, the Italian police told her NOT to leave Italy ...

But this is what is very "telling" about Amanda IMO :

Amanda KNEW that an African man was involved in the murder, so to throw investigators off of her and Raf's track -- AND -- Rudy's track, she blamed another African man, Patrick Lumumba, who was innocent!

So WHY would an "innocent person" BLAME another "innocent person" ? Makes NO sense at all IMO ...

:seeya:

All JMO and :moo:

bbm

Ding, ding, ding!!! Yes, I am reading through this thread and read her "confessions" from the links you kind people provided. She said she had "visions" of Patrick by the basketball court, and then at her front door. To me, it's obvious she was replacing Rudy the African with Patrick the African, using real events but exchanging out the person so as not reveal the identity of the real person who might then rat out Amanda and RS.

 

[aa9511]

No it is not.

LOL! Sorry, but this made me laugh!

 

[aa9511]

Can someone tell me what Rudy said about that night? As someone else said, he has already been convicted, so what is his reason for not telling the truth about everything now? If Amanda and RS were there, Rudy would know everything about their involvement and what happened! TIA?

 

[otto]

I did not follow the last case, and only know things here and there from online browsing and things. I saw video clips (or maybe pictures?) shown on TV of Amanda and Raffael (sp?) hugging and kissing outside as the police are in the house the next day. It seems obvious to me just from seeing those clips/pics that she and RS were high and out of it due do some kind of drug use, that is just not how normal people act during something so serious. They were doing some drugs. So whether that was at RS home like they claim, or that was with Meredith is the question.

There is no mention of drugs in Meredith's autopsy. She had spent the evening having dinner with friends (no, Knox was not a friend), and had returned home at 9 PM with a text book that she borrowed from one of those friends. Meredith had to prepare for an exam.

Knox had smoked pot with Rudy Guede prior to the murder, and Sollecito used drugs on a daily basis. Sollecito had prior contact with police because of illegal drug use. Sollecito had been under supervision for his abnormal interest in violent sex and bestiality. They were all admittedly drugged-up "out of their minds" on the night that Meredith was murdered. There is evidence that they were all present and involved in the murder, scene staging and clean up.

 

[otto]

Can someone tell me what Rudy said about that night? As someone else said, he has already been convicted, so what is his reason for not telling the truth about everything now? If Amanda and RS were there, Rudy would know everything about their involvement and what happened! TIA?

Guede can't really say anything. He is convicted of participating in the murder, but has claimed that he did not commit the murder. He doesn't want to risk having additional charges brought against him. He has said that he did not act alone, and the evidence supports that claim. He has not denied that Knox and Sollecito were involved.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Initially I too thought that perhaps Knox was innocent. I simply read what was on the news...an innocent, white, American girl the victim of a corrupt and incompetent Italian justice system etc. A good lesson on why it is important to look at the evidence rather than listen to the news!

Yep. You do NOT for any reason accuse an innocent man of murder. And how convenient that he happened to be black! There is no good reason for that and exhaustion is by far the lamest excuse.

There is no good to change stories of where you were on the night of the murder. Exhaustion? Please! It would taken an innocent person 10 seconds to tell the police the essentials and there would be only ONE *version*. Not 2 or 3 or 4...

Could go on and on but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck! Knox is guilty of participating in the murder. I'm not sure to what extent but I'm anxiously waiting for the Italian court to decide.

:rockon: Good post, rose !

And one more point : Patrick Lumumba was Amanda's employer !

It is just incomprehensible how she blamed not only an innocent man, but a man who gave her a JOB !

Mr. Lumumba spent 2 weeks in jail because of Knox's lies ... she could have retracted her statement, but she did not ...

:twocents: Speaks volumes, IMO ...

 

[aa9511]

Guede can't really say anything. He is convicted of participating in the murder, but has claimed that he did not commit the murder. He doesn't want to risk having additional charges brought against him. He has said that he did not act alone, and the evidence supports that claim. He has not denied that Knox and Sollecito were involved.

So Otto is it the general belief that if Guede was to go into detail about Knox and Raf's involvement, that then by necessity he would have to leak information about his own involvement? Where did the information that he was smoking weed with Amanda and RS come from, did he admit to that? TIA, sorry for so many questions, just trying to understand this.

 

[aa9511]

Can you all tell me what are your beliefs as to the truth of what happened that night?

What I am kind of thinking is that Amanda and RS were buying drugs from Rudy, that's why he came to their house, to make the deal for the drugs. While he there, perhaps waiting for his money or perhaps they invited him to stay and smoke/drink with them. Meredith comes home, she has to study and is annoyed that they are partying there with a strange man in their house. Maybe she said something about this to Amanda, expressing her annoyance at what was going on. Maybe she came out and told them to be quiet. Conversation b/w the three (Amanda, RS, and Rudy) as to what a b**** Meredith is, or something along those lines. They decide to go in and bother her. One thing leads to another, Rudy rapes her and maybe in a rage b/c she is fighting and struggling, he stabs her. I'm having a little trouble believing Amanda and RS were the ones to actually stab her b/c of the small DNA evidence of them and large amounts of Rudy's DNA associated with Meredith. But I believe they were "cheering" him on, sick. And then they covered up.

What do you think about what went on that night?

 

[otto]

So Otto is it the general belief that if Guede was to go into detail about Knox and Raf's involvement, that then by necessity he would have to leak information about his own involvement? Where did the information that he was smoking weed with Amanda and RS come from, did he admit to that? TIA, sorry for so many questions, just trying to understand this.

It has been known for years that Knox knew Guede prior to the murder. I believe they met in a club (don't quote me on that) and then were friendly when they bumped into each other on the streets. Guede liked to shoot hoops at the basketball court across the street from the cottage where Knox lived. The downstairs flat of the cottage was occupied by 3 or 4 male students. The male students met Guede at the basketball court. There was at least one party at the downstairs flat where Knox, Guede, the occupants and Meredith were smoking pot. Meredith was dating one of the boys from the downstairs flat.

Guede had not smoked pot with Sollecito as far as I know. The connection was between Knox and Guede, as they had met several times prior to the murder and they had a common interest in getting stoned. Knox also had a connection with Sollecito, and they smoked pot on a daily basis. Knox is the connection between Sollecito and Guede. She had only been in Perugia for a couple of weeks and the first people she wanted to get to know appear to be the druggies.

Meredith was a Erasmus student attending university classes. Knox was attending a couple of language classes and did not appear to have the finances to stay beyond the six or eight week program (don't remember the duration anymore).

I think that Guede wants to avoid the possibility of having additional charges brought against him and the best way to do that is to say as little as possible. He opted for the fast track trial option, which means he basically admitted to involvement in the murder and accepts the fact that there is evidence. He was sentenced to 24 years in prison, but in Italy, the fast track option automatically means that the sentence will be reduced by one third. He will be eligible for parole after nine years, in 2016. Guede has stated that he was not alone, but he has refused to provide the names. He has carefully stated that he will not deny that Knox and Sollecito were involved.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Can you all tell me what are your beliefs as to the truth of what happened that night?

What I am kind of thinking is that Amanda and RS were buying drugs from Rudy, that's why he came to their house, to make the deal for the drugs. While he there, perhaps waiting for his money or perhaps they invited him to stay and smoke/drink with them. Meredith comes home, she has to study and is annoyed that they are partying there with a strange man in their house. Maybe she said something about this to Amanda, expressing her annoyance at what was going on. Maybe she came out and told them to be quiet. Conversation b/w the three (Amanda, RS, and Rudy) as to what a b**** Meredith is, or something along those lines. They decide to go in and bother her. One thing leads to another, Rudy rapes her and maybe in a rage b/c she is fighting and struggling, he stabs her. I'm having a little trouble believing Amanda and RS were the ones to actually stab her b/c of the small DNA evidence of them and large amounts of Rudy's DNA associated with Meredith. But I believe they were "cheering" him on, sick. And then they covered up.

What do you think about what went on that night?

:seeya: Interesting theory ... agree with some and disagree with some ...

But that's okay because NOT 1 of the 3 have told the TRUTH and none of the 3 will ever tell the truth, IMO ... and we may never know the truth !


BBM:

JMO ... IF -- IF it was Rudy who stabbed Meredith, then WHY didn't Knox and Raf tell the investigators that is what happened ?

JMO ... because it was NOT Rudy who initiated "whatever really happened" that night !

Yes, Rudy was there ... but Rudy did NOT stage a break-in and he did NOT clean-up the cottage ...

There was not one piece of evidence/DNA that placed Rudy in the "ransacked room -- Filomena's room -- and NOTHING was taken, not even her computer !

Rudy's footprints clearly showed that he left the cottage out of the front door, so obviously he did not "back-track" and clean-up the cottage ...

Raf collected knives and carried knives with him all the time ... he even had a knife on him when he went to the police station to talk to LE ... :waitasec: seriously, who does that ?

:twocents: I have no doubt that the "very clean" knife that was found in Raf's apartment with Meredith's DNA on the blade and Amanda's DNA on the handle, was ONE of the murder weapons ... I think they got rid of the other one ...

:moo:

 

[otto]

Can you all tell me what are your beliefs as to the truth of what happened that night?

What I am kind of thinking is that Amanda and RS were buying drugs from Rudy, that's why he came to their house, to make the deal for the drugs. While he there, perhaps waiting for his money or perhaps they invited him to stay and smoke/drink with them. Meredith comes home, she has to study and is annoyed that they are partying there with a strange man in their house. Maybe she said something about this to Amanda, expressing her annoyance at what was going on. Maybe she came out and told them to be quiet. Conversation b/w the three (Amanda, RS, and Rudy) as to what a b**** Meredith is, or something along those lines. They decide to go in and bother her. One thing leads to another, Rudy rapes her and maybe in a rage b/c she is fighting and struggling, he stabs her. I'm having a little trouble believing Amanda and RS were the ones to actually stab her b/c of the small DNA evidence of them and large amounts of Rudy's DNA associated with Meredith. But I believe they were "cheering" him on, sick. And then they covered up.

What do you think about what went on that night?

A knife was found at Sollecito's flat. It stood out because it was too clean. It had most likely been cleaned in bleach, which was purchased on the morning after the murder. That knife had Meredith's DNA on a groove in the blade and evidence of Knox on the handle. That knife was examined at the first appeal by specialists from the University. They identified what could be starch (from gloves used to collect the evidence) and additional DNA. That DNA was considered to be low number count (a result of exposure to household grade bleach), meaning that there wasn't enough of a sample to analyze. However, there were new DNA analysis methods that could be used to test that LNC DNA, but the University specialists decided it wasn't necessary and the presiding Judge also thought that it wasn't necessary.

That was one of the errors of the first appeal - the appeal that was annulled. As a result, it is one of the points that needs to be corrected during this appeal. The LNC DNA on the knife will be tested. It may belong to Meredith and may belong to someone else. The DNA sample that was matched to Meredith has been accepted, so this second sample of LNC DNA will add to that evidence, or do nothing, but it will not eliminate the existing evidence of Meredith's DNA on the groove of the knife ... and evidence of Knox on the handle.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

A knife was found at Sollecito's flat. It stood out because it was too clean. It had most likely been cleaned in bleach, which was purchased on the morning after the murder. That knife had Meredith's DNA on a groove in the blade and evidence of Knox on the handle. That knife was examined at the first appeal by specialists from the University. They identified what could be starch (from gloves used to collect the evidence) and additional DNA. That DNA was considered to be low number count (a result of exposure to household grade bleach), meaning that there wasn't enough of a sample to analyze. However, there were new DNA analysis methods that could be used to test that LNC DNA, but the University specialists decided it wasn't necessary and the presiding Judge also thought that it wasn't necessary.

That was one of the errors of the first appeal - the appeal that was annulled. As a result, it is one of the points that needs to be corrected during this appeal. The LNC DNA on the knife will be tested. It may belong to Meredith and may belong to someone else. The DNA sample that was matched to Meredith has been accepted, so this second sample of LNC DNA will add to that evidence, or do nothing, but it will not eliminate the existing evidence of Meredith's DNA on the groove of the knife ... and evidence of Knox on the handle.

:seeya: Thanks, otto ! You summed it up so it is easy to understand ...

"Science" is not my subject ... :floorlaugh:

:moo: