Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[sherlockh]

why all the twisting of evidence?

the shopkeeper didn't understand english and was paid by a tabloid for his "scoop".

i didn't see "farting" on the video.

Where is the evidence that she was paid? Where is the evidence that she didn't understand a word of English? How much English do you need to know to understand the word 'sex'? Even the body language is pretty obvious.

I didn't see any DNA on the video

 

[rose222]

I went back to an old thread that was linked to earlier in the thread, and found a link there to an article in, I believe, Daily Mail, where Patrick Lumumbo is taking about Amanda's personality and general weird-ness. I just shivered when he said something about how when Amanda met his wife, she gave her a oold stare and had her nose up, and Patrick knew she was just threatened by any woman. WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THAT BEFORE?? That is classic Jodi Arias.

I was also struck by how different she was in the interviews she's done recently....she does not seem the way she's been portrayed at all. She seemed very mature and responsible. Just goes to show that we never know what is going on with a person or who a person really is.

What I'm trying to say is, we should just look at the circumstances in the case and not try to be clouded by an image of Amanda we have in our heads, and that goes for BOTH sides, innocent and guilty. I think that those who are convinced she's innocent, you have an "innocent Amanda" view of her in your heads, and so it's easier to explain away things like the staged break-in and like the fact that someone came back to the house and did a very obvious staging of the scene. It does not make logical sense that Rudy Guede, who just murdered Meredith, would hang around the house or even more illogical, that he would come back to he house and do staging. The logical thing is he would want to get the **** outta there before someone caught him.

I do not know whether Raffaelo and Amanda participated in the actual murder. But I have no doubt that they did the staging, and that they are lying about their version of what they were doing that night.

Apart from the DNA evidence and Meredith's injuries which reveal that there was more than one killer think about this. Why would they have done the staging and lying? Why? It doesn't make sense for an innocent person to do that. Remember during KC's trial we said it doesn't make sense for anyone to make an accident look like a murder? Kind of the same thing. Innocent people don't cover up and lie and all that....

 

[otto]

I actually suggested it does not have to be a sign of a female killer but a sign of somebody close to the victim. Between RG and AK, Knox was much closer to the victim. RG and MK knew each other (just like RG and AK knew each other) but there is no sign that RG spread out the blanket even though he had blood on his shoes. The covering of the body was actually used by judge Massei as a mitigating factor. He considered it a sign of remorse. So make of it what you want

That's a very interesting point. If Rudy Guede put the blanket over top Meredith as she lay dying, shouldn't his DNA be all over it? Was it tested? I don't remember hearing about any DNA on a blanket or a pillow. Perhaps there was sufficient evidence such that "rooming house" bedding wasn't needed.

Remorse. Knox knew Meredith better than the other culprits, but that was only two - three weeks. I don't see Rudy Guede feeling remorse. Sollecito seems simply mixed up.

Guede had met Meredith once when she was visiting her boyfriend in the downstairs flat. My understanding is that Knox joined Meredith when she realized that the party was downstairs. That was one of the venues where Knox had contact with Rudy. She smoked hashish with Rudy. Knox had a one night stand with one of the other boys in the flat - which is where she got her cold sore.

Knox has been portrayed as being competitive with Meredith, especially competing for boyfriend and friends. Instead, Knox had boyfriends and a friend in Raffaele. We should keep in mind that he has a criminal history that was more or less swept under the carpet until the arrest for murder. He had been flagged for drug use and antisocial sexual interests, like bestiality.

I'll see if I can find a link ...

 

[claudicici]

I went back to an old thread that was linked to earlier in the thread, and found a link there to an article in, I believe, Daily Mail, where Patrick Lumumbo is taking about Amanda's personality and general weird-ness. I just shivered when he said something about how when Amanda met his wife, she gave her a oold stare and had her nose up, and Patrick knew she was just threatened by any woman. WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THAT BEFORE?? That is classic Jodi Arias.

I was also struck by how different she was in the interviews she's done recently....she does not seem the way she's been portrayed at all. She seemed very mature and responsible. Just goes to show that we never know what is going on with a person or who a person really is.

What I'm trying to say is, we should just look at the circumstances in the case and not try to be clouded by an image of Amanda we have in our heads, and that goes for BOTH sides, innocent and guilty. I think that those who are convinced she's innocent, you have an "innocent Amanda" view of her in your heads, and so it's easier to explain away things like the staged break-in and like the fact that someone came back to the house and did a very obvious staging of the scene. It does not make logical sense that Rudy Guede, who just murdered Meredith, would hang around the house or even more illogical, that he would come back to he house and do staging. The logical thing is he would want to get the **** outta there before someone caught him.

I do not know whether Raffaelo and Amanda participated in the actual murder. But I have no doubt that they did the staging, and that they are lying about their version of what they were doing that night.

I agree with your post.I also agree that a lot of evidence points to Amanda and Raffaelo at least being responsible for the staging.I just can't figure out why??? The prosecutors motive for the 3 of them committing the horrible act together was ridiculous IMO....I do believe however she did feel threatened and was jealous of Meredith....was that motive enough???...I only read the "Waiting to be heard" excerpt they have on AMazon because I don't want to buy the book but even in that short paragraph some things are really reveiling IMO about the mindest of Amanda "I sometimes make emotional choices instead of logical ones-and sometimes they were wrong"....or "during my first two year's in college I'd gotten better at seeing things from other people's perspective".....A normal person doesn't need a college education to have empathy ,by her recent comments about wanting to visit Meredith's grave with her family she will obviously never "learn" that trait....

 

[otto]

Regarding the discussion upthread ... about whether the bedding (blankets, pillows) will yield DNA: this was a rooming house with shared facilities, where Filomina collected monthly rent. DNA testing of the pillows and blankets, which are obviously part of the "room", seems simply futile ... just imagine how many samples could be identified ... especially if all the women were like Knox.

 

[otto]

I agree with your post.I also agree that a lot of evidence points to Amanda and Raffaelo at least being responsible for the staging.I just can't figure out why??? The prosecutors motive for the 3 of them committing the horrible act together was ridiculous IMO....I do believe however she did feel threatened and was jealous of Meredith....was that motive enough???...I only read the "Waiting to be heard" excerpt they have on AMazon because I don't want to buy the book but even in that short paragraph some things are really reveiling IMO about the mindest of Amanda "I sometimes make emotional choices instead of logical ones-and sometimes they were wrong"....or "during my first two year's in college I'd gotten better at seeing things from other people's perspective".....A normal person doesn't need a college education to have empathy ,by her recent comments about wanting to visit Meredith's grave with her family she will obviously never "learn" that trait....

Let's suppose that Sollecito and Knox discover that they have the evening off together. It's Day of the Dead for Sollecito, whose mother either committed suicide or died a year or two earlier, and they weren't invited to Halloween parties on October 31. He wasn't coping well regardless - months after his mother's death, he was pre-occupied with fluttering leaves, body building and untoward thoughts. At some point he was put under supervision through his education because he had a propensity for abnormal sexual attitudes.

They arrived home or woke up, listened to music, showered, had sex and "cleaned ears", picked up cleaning supplies, went back to sleepish until about 10 AM - when they decided they'd better clean up the crime scene,

Knox enters the home even though it is deserted and the front door is wide open. She strips and has a shower, skootching across the floor to her bedroom after her shower. Only when she went to Filomina and Laura's bathroom, even though she and Meredith had their own bathroom, did she discover that there were faeces on the other side of the wall in the WC (wash closet). Apparently, the faeces in the toilet finally alerted Knox to the possibility that something was not right. It has been reported that Knox also left her faeces for others to find ... so not sure why this alarmed her.

Knox then went to her boyfriend's house, apparently with a mop (her statement), to have lunch. She apparently brought the mop to clean a water spill in the kitchen from sixteen hours earlier. After they had lunch, she mentioned that something was amiss at "home". At one point, when Filomina returned a cell call from Knox, Knox didn't answer. There are unexplained delays in the cell phone calls between Knox and Filomina. The phone call to her mother, before anything had happened, is not a good sign. She claims to have no memory of this significant phone call.

Let's suppose that Sollecito had shared the last of the hashish with Knox that he was willing to spare, and she had a bright idea to see if she could score with Guede. She had "bumped into" him in the square before, the same square where he ate a kabab that night. It may have been raining, but two stoned out, drinking, drug fiends wouldn't be bothered by a bit of rain as long as there wasn't much of a wind. Sollecito's bank account was down, and Knox didn't have enough savings to last more than one language course. Drugs, money, offering Meredith as collateral ... when Meredith didn't go along with the "fun and games", things went south. The next thoughts were along the lines of staging a break in, after ransacking the closet. There are traces of Knox DNA in Filomina's bedroom. It's weird that there is no evidence of Knox in her "friend's" bedroom, but her blood evidence is in the bedroom where there is a broken window? Anyway ...

That kabab gave Rudy an upset stomach. Meredith arrived home at 9 PM. Knox and Sollecito turned off their phones at 8:40. They left a movie playing on Sollectio's computer, but there is no record of human interaction until 6 AM the following day - the same time when Sollecito claims that he was sleeping - until 10 AM. The problem, one that exposed a lie, is that he also turned on his cell phone at 6 AM. That destroyed the "I was sleeping until 10" story.

Sleeping until 10 AM could be true if Knox and Sollecito went to sleep at 6 and woke up at 10 ... where Knox went to the cottage, spruced it up, didn't shower, returned to Sollecito's and they prepared to face the police together ... after lunch.

I think that's the longest post I've ever made

 

[rose222]

I agree with your post.I also agree that a lot of evidence points to Amanda and Raffaelo at least being responsible for the staging.I just can't figure out why??? The prosecutors motive for the 3 of them committing the horrible act together was ridiculous IMO....I do believe however she did feel threatened and was jealous of Meredith....was that motive enough???...I only read the "Waiting to be heard" excerpt they have on AMazon because I don't want to buy the book but even in that short paragraph some things are really reveiling IMO about the mindest of Amanda "I sometimes make emotional choices instead of logical ones-and sometimes they were wrong"....or "during my first two year's in college I'd gotten better at seeing things from other people's perspective".....A normal person doesn't need a college education to have empathy ,by her recent comments about wanting to visit Meredith's grave with her family she will obviously never "learn" that trait....

Take into account the personalities of Amanda and her ex even prior to the murder, some interest in deviant forms of sexual expression, minor frustrations between Amanda and Meredith, throw in a lot of drugs and the result is this horrendous murder. I've watched a few trials and after almost every single one I've said 'THIS is the possible motive for the murder?' It often sounds so insignificant and silly.

 

[Madeleine74]

The problem is that people's personal biases create a narrative compilation of someone's personality -- someone none of us have ever met. Half-truths, rumors, and misquotes form the basis for opinions.

Just go with the direct crime scene--MK's bedroom. You have enough there to work with to determine who was in that room. Leave all the other nonsense out because a. We don't know AK and likely never will and b. what someone thinks is not evidence. Go with evidence in MK's room.

 

[aa9511]

I actually suggested it does not have to be a sign of a female killer but a sign of somebody close to the victim. Between RG and AK, Knox was much closer to the victim. RG and MK knew each other (just like RG and AK knew each other) but there is no sign that RG spread out the blanket even though he had blood on his shoes. The covering of the body was actually used by judge Massei as a mitigating factor. He considered it a sign of remorse. So make of it what you want

Yes, I do not believe that Rudy G spread the blanket over Meredith. It was obviously put there to cover her up, in case someone managed to open the door. Yes, there was still blood on the wall, floor, etc., but at least the very obvious thing would be covered. They could have also done it to keep smell at bay until someone discovered the body. However I think it was done mostly to cover it up. Now why would Rudy G care about how the body is discovered? Not to mention like the other poster said, there would be footprints in blood showing the covering-up.

 

[aa9511]

Apart from the DNA evidence and Meredith's injuries which reveal that there was more than one killer think about this. Why would they have done the staging and lying? Why? It doesn't make sense for an innocent person to do that. Remember during KC's trial we said it doesn't make sense for anyone to make an accident look like a murder? Kind of the same thing. Innocent people don't cover up and lie and all that....

Well what I was thinking is that they could have "hired" Rudy to do the actual killing for them. I know that it is kinda out-there, but sometimes I think this. The problem I am having about them actually being involved in the stabbing, is how come there are no bloody footprints of them in the room or leaving the room? I mean, there would have been A LOT of blood. And they did not do any washing with water like Jodi Arias did to wash away footprints, etc..

Sometimes I believe this. In that case, they are still a central part of the murder, they still had to cover-it up and make it look like they weren't involved. Which brings the question, if they could just blame it on Rudy (based on his DNA and presence everywhere), then why stage anything in the first place? I guess b/c they knew they gave Rudy access to the house, so they were afraid investigators would figure that out. Also, I'm having a little problem with the fact that it was pretty obvious police would trace it back to Rudy, how did they know Rudy wouldn't rat them out?

 

[rose222]

Well what I was thinking is that they could have "hired" Rudy to do the actual killing for them. I know that it is kinda out-there, but sometimes I think this. The problem I am having about them actually being involved in the stabbing, is how come there are no bloody footprints of them in the room or leaving the room? I mean, there would have been A LOT of blood. And they did not do any washing with water like Jodi Arias did to wash away footprints, etc..

Sometimes I believe this. In that case, they are still a central part of the murder, they still had to cover-it up and make it look like they weren't involved. Which brings the question, if they could just blame it on Rudy (based on his DNA and presence everywhere), then why stage anything in the first place? I guess b/c they knew they gave Rudy access to the house, so they were afraid investigators would figure that out. Also, I'm having a little problem with the fact that it was pretty obvious police would trace it back to Rudy, how did they know Rudy wouldn't rat them out?

All interesting points. I wouldn't put it past them to hire Rudy for murder. I'm going to take a look at the DNA evidence once again.

Please read this article about why Rudy could not have possibly acted alone. The reasons are compelling.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C339/

 

[rose222]

A little to read from http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C339/P20/

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[aa9511]

I agree with your post.I also agree that a lot of evidence points to Amanda and Raffaelo at least being responsible for the staging.I just can't figure out why??? The prosecutors motive for the 3 of them committing the horrible act together was ridiculous IMO....I do believe however she did feel threatened and was jealous of Meredith....was that motive enough???...I only read the "Waiting to be heard" excerpt they have on AMazon because I don't want to buy the book but even in that short paragraph some things are really reveiling IMO about the mindest of Amanda "I sometimes make emotional choices instead of logical ones-and sometimes they were wrong"....or "during my first two year's in college I'd gotten better at seeing things from other people's perspective".....A normal person doesn't need a college education to have empathy ,by her recent comments about wanting to visit Meredith's grave with her family she will obviously never "learn" that trait....

I agree with everything you said. I think deep down inside she might be one of those Jodi Arias-types who we will never comprehend what is going on or what went on in her head. After what I've seen following some other cases, I don't doubt that she could have been so jealous and angry with Meredith that she concocted this sick plan.

While it's hard to believe what her motivation would be, I also don't get why we should assume Rudy would just randomly go and rape and stab a woman to death for no reason? He was obviously frequenting clubs and parties, it's not hard to believe that he could have gotten a woman to have sex with him consentually (sp?). Also the stabbing is just so brutal and seems very personal. Did he really have that much anger in him over a girl he only met one time previously?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Yes, I do not believe that Rudy G spread the blanket over Meredith. It was obviously put there to cover her up, in case someone managed to open the door. Yes, there was still blood on the wall, floor, etc., but at least the very obvious thing would be covered. They could have also done it to keep smell at bay until someone discovered the body. However I think it was done mostly to cover it up. Now why would Rudy G care about how the body is discovered? Not to mention like the other poster said, there would be footprints in blood showing the covering-up.

BBM: I agree ...

JMO, but I believe it was Knox who put the blanket over Meredith when she was "cleaning up" because she did NOT want to look at what she did !

Remorse ? Maybe for a "nanosecond" when she covered Meredith with the blanket ...

But after that, Knox has NEVER shown any remorse whatsoever ...

Knox is "cold" ... "ice-cold" ...

:twocents:

 

[aa9511]

BBM: I agree ...

JMO, but I believe it was Knox who put the blanket over Meredith when she was "cleaning up" because she did NOT want to look at what she did !

Remorse ? Maybe for a "nanosecond" when she covered Meredith with the blanket ...

But after that, Knox has NEVER shown any remorse whatsoever ...

Knox is "cold" ... "ice-cold" ...

:twocents:

Yes, that makes a lot of sense. It could also have been less b/c of any remorse, but because seeing her body made her scared of what she did in terms of her GETTING CAUGHT with what she did.

 

[rose222]

BBM: I agree ...

JMO, but I believe it was Knox who put the blanket over Meredith when she was "cleaning up" because she did NOT want to look at what she did !

Remorse ? Maybe for a "nanosecond" when she covered Meredith with the blanket ...

But after that, Knox has NEVER shown any remorse whatsoever ...

Knox is "cold" ... "ice-cold" ...

:twocents:

She covered poor Meredith because, as you say, she did not want to deal with what she did. As far as remorse....nope. She's sorry. Sorry that she got caught, that people won't believe her, that she spent time in prison etc. Sorry that Meredith was murdered? No. As Knox said 'Sh.t happens' :banghead:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:violin: Aww . . .

Rafaelle Sollecito was on Piers Morgan last night via satellite from the Dominican Republic :


http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/


:moo: I'm so glad I missed it ... :floorlaugh:

 

[aa9511]

Katie Couric interviews Raffaele Sollecito - YouTube

Omg, I just saw this clip of RS on Katie Couric.....can someone please go to 14 minutes and translate his English for me......is he saying that he thinks Rudy Guede's sentence was TOO LONG???!

Katie asked him, so do you think justice was served (talking about Rudy G)? He says, well I have different idea about the enjailment in general. Then she says, oh so you think it wasn't long enough of a sentence? He says, I don't want to judge, from what I experienced, the enjailment has no reason at all, it's not the amount of years spent in prison that can relieve a kind of pain like that? WTH?????

Omg, I think I understood him right. What a monster!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

WOW !


'I wish I'd never met Amanda Knox': Raffaele Sollecito tells how his life has become 'hell' as he prepares to face trial again for murder of Meredith Kercher


Amanda Knox's one-time boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito wishes he'd never laid eyes on the American brunette, he has admitted.

Six years after the murder of Knox's roommate, British exchange student Meredith Kercher, the Italian he says his life is hell because of his short-lived romance with Knox.

As he prepares to face trial for Kercher's 2007 murder in Perugia, Italy, for a second time, Sellecito said he doesn't blame her - but still wishes the two had never been together, so he could have been spared the ordeal.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-wishes-hed-laid-eyes-her.html#ixzz2gfim9wwd

 

[aa9511]

WOW !


'I wish I'd never met Amanda Knox': Raffaele Sollecito tells how his life has become 'hell' as he prepares to face trial again for murder of Meredith Kercher


Amanda Knox's one-time boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito wishes he'd never laid eyes on the American brunette, he has admitted.

Six years after the murder of Knox's roommate, British exchange student Meredith Kercher, the Italian he says his life is hell because of his short-lived romance with Knox.

As he prepares to face trial for Kercher's 2007 murder in Perugia, Italy, for a second time, Sellecito said he doesn't blame her - but still wishes the two had never been together, so he could have been spared the ordeal.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-wishes-hed-laid-eyes-her.html#ixzz2gfim9wwd

Wow, he was actually honest for a change. In another interview, I think maybe the Katie Couric one I posted above, she asked him that and he said something like "no, I don't regret it because it's not her fault what happened."

There is something VERY STRANGE about their allegiance to one another. He has repeated many times that he didn't "turn" on Amanda b/c he couldn't live with himself sending an innocent person to prison for the rest of their life. You know what? That is either incredibly noble or a LIE. I'm going with the latter. He had only known her for one week, and he was about to throw away his life for her. Not buyin' it. I believe he didn't "turn" on her b/c then he knew that she could easily "turn" on him and reveal all of his involvement. At least this way there was still a chance he would be found not guilty.