Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[aa9511]

Imagine if the pretty American girl was out renting scary videos with her boyfriend while her daughter lay dead of poisoning in her car. Imagine if the pretty American girl was out buying sexy lingerie, canoodling and talking sex with her boyfriend while her room mate lay dead in the morgue. Imagine if the pretty American girl pointed at the black man ... Susan Smith anyone?

Imagine if Knox and Sollecito, by their own admission, were drunk and stoned out of their heads on the Day of the Dead. Imagine if Knox, when she admitted that she was there but was in the kitchen plugging her ears with her fingers, would actually explain why she lied to police more than once during a murder investigation, why she didn't flush the toilet when she saw the turd, and why she phoned her mother before anything had happened - as the cottage was in the same condition as when she showered. ... two hours earlier. Nothing had changed in that time ...window was still broken, blood was still on the bath mat, turd was still in the toilet, Knox had still gone out for Breakfast before being concerned ... so why did she phone her mom before anything had happened?

Otto, in the phone records, does it show any phone call to Raffaelo between the time she supposedly leaves him to take a shower to the time she supposedly comes back to his place?

 

[aa9511]

If I recall correctly, Knox referenced CSI expectations. After she implicated Patrick, was she ever released again ... prior the annulled decision?

I think that she expected to be released from questioning after mentioning Patrick and a mere few hours before her mother arrived in Perugia. Her mother was too late. When she arrived to whisk her daughter out of the country (Germany), Knox had been detained.

Then there's the police recorded conversation between Knox and her mother in prison, where Knox told her mother that she knew perfectly well that it was wrong to accuse Patrick because she knew that he was innocent. one would expect that this information would be rushed, urgent, to the prosecutor. That didn't happen. When it didn't happen, the prosecutor asked mom why she didn't immediately reveal the situation. Her answer was that she did not tell the world that her daughter had implicated an innocent man and knew better but still wouldn't say anything because ... well ...mom didn't speak Italian, so she didn't know who to tell, so she told no one ... and she also didn't remember anything special that Knox had to say during her late night phone call.

Does anyone have a link to what Knox's mother (Mellas) had to say about that forgotten phone call? Did Knox mention the broken window or just the turd?

Two weeks later, the prosecution discovered, on its own, that Patrick had a rock solid alibi. Patrick was released from prison under those circumstances: the prosecution overheard the conversation between mom and Knox, they didn't want to blow their cover, but they had to investigate the possibility that the witness (Knox) had ulterior motives. Patrick was released.

Knox has had ample time to repay the 22,000 debt to Patrick from her 3.8 million dollar book deal. What's her excuse again ... she repaid the debt to her parents. Sollecito said that his father paid a million. Let's suppose that Knox paid a million to each of her parents. Let's give another million to the lawyers. That means that Sollecito's lawyers cost one million and Knox's defense cost three million ... for the PR firm, the free media paid trips, and the silent auctions? She still had 0.8 million dollars left. That's eight hundred thousand dollars that she still has, and still she couldn't reimburse 22,000 euros ... out of 800,000?

And Patrick?
Apparently he is a distant memory for Knox.

It was a significant error for Knox to not pay her debt to Patrick. Because she had not paid her debt, he was allowed to appear at her appeal and ask to be heard. It was decided that his request for damages and motive for lying would be heard/revisited. Legally speaking, that was a really stupid thing for Knox to do. It would have been better for her to pay Patrick and eliminate his evidence from the appeal.

Funny how Knox left Patrick to rot in jail for two weeks, and then she left him out to dry when she destroyed his life.

Now that the world is aware, it is waiting for Knox to at least repay the 22,000 euros out of the 3.8 million that she had?

I'm just sickened by how Amanda and Raf have been able to make a business off of this poor girl's death. $800,000 left for her out of that is no chump change. Also the million to each of her parents....that is also essentially hers b/c if she needs it for additional defense fees, surely her parents would give her the money. I'm wondering if she didn't just dole that out for tax purposes....there must be some benefit to taking it out of her bank account and dividing it among her parents. IMO.

Just sickening.

 

[aa9511]

I can imagine you call your mother in the middle of the night when you find a broken window in your house and you realize the blood you saw earlier might be part of something bigger. It gets a bit strange that after you shared your worries with your mother, you then tell the police that the locked door of Meredith is nothing to worry about. It gets even stranger that a few weeks later that phonecall to your mother has been erased from your memory, and you mother reacts very surprised that you called before 'anything' had happened.

However, the weirdest part is that the postal police arrived at around 12:30 and the phonecall to mom was made at 12:47. She never mentioned that the police was already there. Then her bf starts calling the Italian emergency number at 12:51 and 12:54 with the postal police in their house. Weird!

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index..._testify_those_devils_that_lurk_in_the_detai/ (including summary of Edda Mellas testimony)
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c..._Made_after_the_Police_Had_Already_Arrived.3F
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_112_Calls

As far as the original Edda Mellas testimony goes. This has not been fully translated yet apparently.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Edda_Mellas's_Testimony

It's because at that point she knew the s*** was about to hit the fan. That was when she needed Mommy. She knew they were about to open that door and she knew exactly what they find behind that door.

 

[rose222]

Some interesting information from the True Justice for Meredith website...

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/Tips_For_The_Media_1_Getting_Up_To_Speed_/

"Italy’s Justice System Has Important Differences from the U.S.

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[SMK]

Interesting info above, from TJMK.

From what I have been able to glean:

• Oct. 10 will be the updated testing/analysis of the knife. (It is said that if no material can be tested, the court will be immediately notified.)
• Nov. 6 will be the discussion of the above in open court.
• Nov. 7 has been cancelled.

Does anyone know what else is scheduled for other dates?

 

[aa9511]

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...t_at_making_amanda_knoxs_timeline_alibi_work/

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bbm

Oh, you are so right! Now they have the other two there to detract attention from them, they can then go and make their phone calls.

THe phone calls, it is very obvious at least to me, that these are made to cover their tracks and for there to be "witnesses" that they were actually alarmed by the signs in the cottage (open door, blood, etc.). Basically, since the police unexpectadly came upon them at the cottage before their own "plan" had begun, they were caught with their pants down and were panicking to come up with Plan B.

I'm not sure what Plan A was going to be exactly, but if would have probably encompassed Filomena discovering the body.

 

[otto]

Otto, in the phone records, does it show any phone call to Raffaelo between the time she supposedly leaves him to take a shower to the time she supposedly comes back to his place?

I don't think so. You can check the cell phone calls in the Massei report.

p 322
http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

 

[rose222]

bbm

Oh, you are so right! Now they have the other two there to detract attention from them, they can then go and make their phone calls.

THe phone calls, it is very obvious at least to me, that these are made to cover their tracks and for there to be "witnesses" that they were actually alarmed by the signs in the cottage (open door, blood, etc.). Basically, since the police unexpectadly came upon them at the cottage before their own "plan" had begun, they were caught with their pants down and were panicking to come up with Plan B.

I'm not sure what Plan A was going to be exactly, but if would have probably encompassed Filomena discovering the body.

All taken straight from the Justice for Meredith site.

Cell phone evidence is huge in this case. Red flags all over the place. All over.

 

[redheadedgal]

Knox has had ample time to repay the 22,000 debt to Patrick from her 3.8 million dollar book deal. What's her excuse again ... she repaid the debt to her parents. Sollecito said that his father paid a million. Let's suppose that Knox paid a million to each of her parents. Let's give another million to the lawyers. That means that Sollecito's lawyers cost one million and Knox's defense cost three million ... for the PR firm, the free media paid trips, and the silent auctions? She still had 0.8 million dollars left. That's eight hundred thousand dollars that she still has, and still she couldn't reimburse 22,000 euros ... out of 800,000?

did she not have to pay taxes on that 3.8 million? probably at like 30%? her literary agent's fee @ the standard 10-15%? plus current legal representation in italy? plus tuition? plus the PR firm? plus living expenses?

you make it sound so easy, but your math is waay off.

Funny how Knox left Patrick to rot in jail for two weeks...

she did not let anyone "rot in jail for two weeks". if the ILE couldn't be bothered to investigate PL's possible involvement for themselves (like competent police do), that's on them, not AK.

 

[otto]

did she not have to pay taxes on that 3.8 million? probably at like 30%? her literary agent's fee @ the standard 10-15%? plus current legal representation in italy? plus tuition? plus the PR firm? plus living expenses?

you make it sound so easy, but your math is waay off.




she did not let anyone "rot in jail for two weeks". if the ILE couldn't be bothered to investigate PL's possible involvement for themselves (like competent police do), that's on them, not AK.

Tuition? PR firm? Why does an innocent woman need a PR firm? Are those expenses more important than paying her debt to the man whose life she ruined? Do we know if Patrick needs the money to put a roof over his son's head?

If Knox is blameless in the arrest of Patrick, then we have to also believe that the police should have known that Knox was lying when she accused him of murdering Meredith while Knox was in the kitchen. Why should the police have assumed that Knox was a liar? We certainly know now that she has told whopper lies, but why should police have known that before knowing anything about her?

It seems to me that Knox, after she made her false accusation, expected that police would release her and investigate Patrick. I think that she wanted to buy herself some time so that she could leave the country with her mother.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Innocent people have to get PR to manage the mob calling for their heads.

 

[otto]

Innocent people have to get PR to manage the mob calling for their heads.

Is the Perugia investigative team a "mob"?

 

[redheadedgal]

I'm just sickened by how Amanda and Raf have been able to make a business off of this poor girl's death.

what about PL making a "high five figures" for selling his story to a tabloid? he too made money off "this poor girl's death" but i suspect that will be somehow rationalized as being okay b/c he too suffered at the hands of miss knox and has every right to tell his story... a double standard if you ask me.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2095586,00.html

surely her parents would give her the money.

her parents took out second mortgages on their houses and used up all retirement savings to defend their daughter.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44787876/...da-knoxs-freedom-leaves-family-shackled-debt/


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[otto]

what about PL making a "high five figures" for selling his story to a tabloid? he too made money off "this poor girl's death" but i suspect that will be somehow rationalized as being okay b/c he too suffered at the hands of miss knox and has every right to tell his story... a double standard if you ask me.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2095586,00.html




her parents took out second mortgages on their houses and used up all retirement savings to defend their daughter.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44787876/...da-knoxs-freedom-leaves-family-shackled-debt/


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If Knox had told one truth from the beginning and if she was not involved in the murder, then her parents would not have been in the position to choose to pay her legal fees. Knox brought this all on herself, ruining lives without any concern for making amends.

 

[rose222]

If Knox had told one truth from the beginning and if she was not involved in the murder, then her parents would not have been in the position to choose to pay her legal fees. Knox brought this all on herself, ruining lives without any concern for making amends.

Big difference between the second victim in this case 'selling' his story and Knox doing the same, isn't there? Easy to see.

Yes. Her parents used up their savings to defend their lying, morally bankrupt daughter. Her fault. Their choice.

 

[rose222]

I really wish there were harsher penalties for those who falsely accuse innocent people of crimes. A year in prison is so not enough. Maybe then people like Casey, Jodi, Knox etc. will think twice before doing so.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I really wish there were harsher penalties for those who falsely accuse innocent people of crimes. Snip.

Definitely!

 

[aa9511]

I don't think so. You can check the cell phone calls in the Massei report.

p 322
http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

Thanks for that and including the page number! No, no phone calls to Raffaelo, as I expected. Because I believe Amanda and Raf were in fact together the whole time. If Amanda had gone to the cottage alone and she saw things which struck her as odd (which she claimed she told Raf when she got back to his house), I believe she would have called him either immediately upon seeing those things, or on the way walking back to his house.

Amanda called Meredith's phone to make it look like she was trying to find her. Then she called Filomina because she knew that if she just left to go to another town with Raf, that would raise suspicions as to why she didn't return to the cottage that day to change her clothes, etc.. And why she didn't report anything unusual if she went to the cottage. Her plan was probably to let Filomina know about these things, and that Meredith wasn't there ("I tried to call her....really I did"). Then she was probably going to tell her, hey Raf and I already have plans to meet someone in the other town, so I really gotta go. Please please call me and let me know whenever you get a hold of Meredith (feigning worry). Then she and Raf would leave. She expected Filomina to call her at some point, omigosh Meredith's dead! At which point Amanda would act shocked and tell Filomina she would come right away.

 

[aa9511]

what about PL making a "high five figures" for selling his story to a tabloid? he too made money off "this poor girl's death" but i suspect that will be somehow rationalized as being okay b/c he too suffered at the hands of miss knox and has every right to tell his story... a double standard if you ask me.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2095586,00.html




her parents took out second mortgages on their houses and used up all retirement savings to defend their daughter.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44787876/...da-knoxs-freedom-leaves-family-shackled-debt/


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Doesn't that prove my point that the parents would give her the money if she needs it? Her PARENTS are not some random people or lawyers or PR firm, where she gave them the money and will not see that money again. Any money that goes to her parents is also essentially hers as well. So I count her money and her parents' money as the same in this case, seeing that the parents will do anything to defend their daughter.

I guess the thing with Patrick Lumumbu is that based on whether one thinks Amanda and Raffaelo are guilty or not guilty affects the perception of his words. It is very different for someone who committed the murder to then benefit from the murder, then someone who is innocent benefitting from it because they are giving their account of the guilty party.

In my eyes, I do not count Lumbumbu benefitting and Amanda or RS benefitting as equal, seeing as how in my eyes Amanda and RS were directly involved in the murder. So that is the difference and does not add up to a "double standard" for me. Like comparing apples and oranges, you cannot compare them on equal levels.

 

[Harmony 2]

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