Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#6

[Yellow]

IMO senseless murders are committed everyday, just so happens this one made international news.

That is true, but 99% of motives share a motive of another criminal, ie, cheating, wanted to get rid of wife, money,,etc

As far as I know this would be a first for a college student killing over disputes about a clean room

It would be more believable if some evidence like people saying, oh yeah, me. & amanda have loud parties (but AK had no friends) or MK saying "next time AK does not flush we are going to have a big fight," or the girls fighting loudly over the cleaning or toilet. There is evidence complained about the toilet, but anyone ever see an argument between the two girls about it? Anyone hear AK even mention the word toilet or flush to anyone?

 

[Amber29]

That is true, but 99% of motives share a motive of another criminal, ie, cheating, wanted to get rid of wife, money,,etc

As far as I know this would be a first for a college student killing over disputes about a clean room

It would be more believable if some evidence like people saying, oh yeah, me. & amanda have loud parties (but AK had no friends) or MK saying "next time AK does not flush we are going to have a big fight," or the girls fighting loudly over the cleaning or toilet. There is evidence complained about the toilet, but anyone ever see an argument between the two girls about it? Anyone hear AK even mention the word toilet or flush to anyone?

I actually watched an episode on the ID channel about 2 college roommates one stabbing the other to death. It too was totally senseless, ill have to see if I can find it on the Internet.

 

[Amber29]

That is true, but 99% of motives share a motive of another criminal, ie, cheating, wanted to get rid of wife, money,,etc

As far as I know this would be a first for a college student killing over disputes about a clean room

It would be more believable if some evidence like people saying, oh yeah, me. & amanda have loud parties (but AK had no friends) or MK saying "next time AK does not flush we are going to have a big fight," or the girls fighting loudly over the cleaning or toilet. There is evidence complained about the toilet, but anyone ever see an argument between the two girls about it? Anyone hear AK even mention the word toilet or flush to anyone?

Actually just google "college roomate stabbing" and check out some of the links. I think you'll find these type of killings are quite common.

 

[otto]

Well, I do not read Italian so I do not know exactly what the prosecutor said word for word. But he did say there was some conflict that arose about the toilet, maybe that was part of a bigger conflict about cleaning or quietness or whatever, and then it escalated into murder.

Any conflict about cleaning, about the toilet or otherwise, is just a ridiculous story. Even a conflict about not being quiet, that too is a ridiculous story to explain a murder: "college girl kills roommate bc she complained she was too loud." That sounds almost a ridiculous as the toilet story

And where is there any evidence of all this partying at the cottage and w who?

That is exactly the problem. People that do not speak Italian are taking legal documents, plugging them into a fun translator and then pretending that they have the facts of the case. The website that is established solely for the purpose of seeing Justice For Meredith has international translators meticulously translating court documents. They have volunteered their time for six years. Where there is ambiguity due to more than one interpretation for a word in context, several professional translators work together to determine the best English translation. This process takes months, not 2 minutes with an online translator.

I understand that people do not want to believe that a conflict between two women can result in murder, but it does happen, especially if one of the women is drugged up and is backed by two drugged up men. For some reason, if it involves Knox, suddenly it is the most ridiculous concept that was ever conceived.

In this case, for some, it really doesn't matter what happened. Those that want to paint Knox with the brush of an angel will forever produce, concoct and imagine how to extract Knox from the murder. This conjecture regarding motive is no different. In fact, I highly doubt that any conjecture regarding motive will be accepted by those that perceive Knox as a 12 year old child.

 

[otto]

I actually watched an episode on the ID channel about 2 college roommates one stabbing the other to death. It too was totally senseless, ill have to see if I can find it on the Internet.

Drugged up people kill innocent victims all the time. There is no logic behind the killing because drugged up people are completely stupid and illogical - they have deliberately scrambled their brains. For the prosecutor to conjecture that there was a conflict prior to the murder is a no-brainer. Obviously something triggered the murder and obviously whatever triggered it was a conflict. To suggest that the conflict that triggered the murder was related to Knox having filthy habits, bringing strange men home, failing to fulfill her responsibilities and treating a home like a drop in, hang out with drug creeps party spot is a no brainer. Everyone that knew Meredith reported that those facts were a source of conflict between the two women. That it is suggested that that ongoing conflict erupted on the night of November 1, when Meredith had to study for an exam and Knox wanted to party, does not require any stretching of the truth.

 

[otto]

No matter how phrased, the headline is laughable, if AK remains convicted, the tabloids will have fun with this one.

Parents will have to warn their children when dropping them off at college: "don't complain if your roommate parties too much or does not flush the toilet or clean the room right bc you might get killed for it"

Interesting perspective! Actually, parents with children living in a shared accommodation should ensure that their children are prepared for the responsibilities of living independently. They should ensure that their children realize that if they leave the toilet filthy for six weeks, refuse to participate in chores, and believe that living independently means that there are no rules, there will be consequences. They should ensure that their children do not have a mental disorder where they think it is okay to blame others when faced with consequences, lie during a police investigation, deliberately irritate others by strumming the same cord on the guitar repeatedly or sing loudly in restaurants.

This has nothing to do with "complaining".

 

[whoanellie]

Actually just google "college roomate stabbing" and check out some of the links. I think you'll find these type of killings are quite common.

In how many of those cases did it take 6 years for the police/prosecutors to come up with an argument between roomates as the motive?

 

[otto]

In how many of those cases did it take 6 years for the police/prosecutors to come up with an argument between roomates as the motive?

A motive is not required in US courts and it's highly likely that many illogical attacks on women occur in the US, so most cases are quite likely still waiting for conjecture regarding motive.

 

[Amber29]

In how many of those cases did it take 6 years for the police/prosecutors to come up with an argument between roomates as the motive?

Cases ofton take as many if not more years to go to trial in the US and motives aren't always proven.

 

[redheadedgal]

So again Candace Dempsey is credible? Earlier I quoted Barbie Nadeau and it was implied that she's not a reliable source.

when i mistakenly credited barbie with a quote from mignini about how if they were innocent could AK and RS sit and listen, who was it that questioned that??

is nadeau's book only reliable when referenced by certain posters?

 

[redheadedgal]

This site lays out the case against AK; http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

I think it's more reliable than any pro AK site. JMO

that site contains numerous errors (lies) as well... one example i posted about last week is an assertion that greg hampikian is no longer involved with this case (the implication on TJMK is that he's "seen the light" so to speak). i posted a link to a very recent presentation he made in atlanta last month where he once again asserted AK's innocence.

 

[whoanellie]

Cases ofton take as many if not more years to go to trial in the US and motives aren't always proven.

I think you missed my point

 

[otto]

I think you missed my point

Is the point that the Appeal prosecutor is required to conjecture a motive and he did that six years after the murder when he was assigned the case?

Should we expect that the prosecutor assigned to the appeal should conjecture a motive at the time of the murder, six years before he is assigned the case?

 

[redheadedgal]

I think you missed my point

--roommate argument escalated to stabbing: motive determined early on
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/09/16/maryland.college.stabbing/index.html

--roommate argument escalated to stabbing: motive determined early on
http://articles.courant.com/2013-11...31123_1_dorm-boston-post-road-injured-student

--roommate argument escalated to stabbing: motive determined early on
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/50553662.html

 

[Amber29]

when i mistakenly credited barbie with a quote from mignini about how if they were innocent could AK and RS sit and listen, who was it that questioned that??

is nadeau's book only reliable when referenced by certain posters?

I did question it (rightly so)but only because I wanted to read the whole passage. I was not questioning the reliability. I have Angel Face and couldn't remember that quote. I'm sorry it wasn't meant the way you took it obviously.

 

[otto]

--roommate argument escalated to stabbing: motive determined early on
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/09/16/maryland.college.stabbing/index.html

--roommate argument escalated to stabbing: motive determined early on
http://articles.courant.com/2013-11...31123_1_dorm-boston-post-road-injured-student

--roommate argument escalated to stabbing: motive determined early on
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/50553662.html

No motive is mentioned in any of those links.

 

[Amber29]

No motive is mentioned in any of those links.

Yeh in fact I think the first link says it was an argument that ended in the stabbing.

The other 2 I saw no motive mentioned.

How about this one
http://abcnews.go.com/International...story?id=17641449&ref=https://www.google.com/

 

[otto]

Yeh in fact I think the first link says it was an argument that ended in the stabbing.

The other 2 I saw no motive mentioned.

How about this one
http://abcnews.go.com/International...story?id=17641449&ref=https://www.google.com/

Five years to the day after Meredith was stabbed to death by drug and alcohol crazed Knox, Guede and Sollecito, another drugged up US student stabs a friend in Rome. I have wondered whether ecstasy was used on the night that Meredith was murdered because it is known to reduce inhibitions. Whatever drugs were used, it was enough for Sollecito to swear off drug use for the rest of his life. I wonder how Knox is managing her favorite vice of illegal drug abuse.

 

[SMK]

Dempsey, p. 274, "There had been no melodrama between them [Meredith and Amanda] in the cottage. Sure, Filomean would have appreciated a little more help around the house and Amanda's yoga was annoying, but she always paid her rent."

Thank you, Chris. I suppose one has to look at all the texts and testimony and more or less round things out. And once more, thanks

 

[Amber29]

Five years to the day after Meredith was stabbed to death by drug and alcohol crazed Knox, Guede and Sollecito, another drugged up US student stabs a friend in Rome. I have wondered whether ecstasy was used on the night that Meredith was murdered because it is known to reduce inhibitions. Whatever drugs were used, it was enough for Sollecito to swear off drug use for the rest of his life. I wonder how Knox is managing her favorite vice of illegal drug abuse.

Yes I wonder what the motive in this senseless killing was? Can't be just drugs and alcohol..that doesn't happen.
Notice it was his first time experimenting with ecstasy.