Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#8

[Katody]

@ Katody

Was the embedded glass ever addressed by Massei or anyone else? I would love to hear the explanation for it.

Forget about it, Massei's idea was nuts. He claimed that they simply broke the window from the inside out.

It can moreover be observed that the presence of many pieces of glass on the outside part of the windowsill increases the probability of finding some small pieces of glass on the ground underneath, since there seems to be no reason that so many pieces of glass would all stop just at the edge of the windowsill without any of them flying beyond the edge and falling down to the garden below. This situation, like all the other glaring inconsistencies, is adequately and satisfactorily explained if one supposes that the rock was thrown from the inside of the room, with the two shutters pulled inwards so that they blocked the pieces of glass from falling to the ground below. Once the glass had been broken from inside, the rock was set down at some place in the room, and the shutters were pushed towards the outside, being thus opened from within the room.

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[aa9511]

It is indeed difficult to believe that so many professionals would have been paid off to make a deceptive film.

I would just say, 'Yes, Guede could have climbed in that window. Yes, indeed - but we believe he did not and it was staged. '

Why does anyone need to say Guede could not have climbed in that way?

Just say, 'he could have, but he did not as the room was staged. '

What if the window had been only 3 feet off the ground? And was obviously easy access, but the room still looked staged?

Either the room looked staged or it didn't. The window is secondary.

bbm

That's a very good point.

 

[aa9511]

Sorry if this has already been answered (I'm sure it has, but I missed certain details) : Knox said she had no towel at all, and this is why she used the mat? I think if I had no towel at all I would run to get one, and later after drying, use it to wipe up all the dripped water (in fact I have done this at home).

SMK, I have said exactly this before. This is exactly what I would do, too. But apparently, there are many on here who do the "bathmat boogie" regularly. And it's difficult for them to understand why we think it doesn't make sense.

I would do exactly that which you said.

 

[Amber29]

the latch obviously allows for closing the window without latching the inner shade. That's how you can have light with window closed.

I can't exclude the window did open on impact. The mechanism was old, loose and rickety. IIRC Filomena complained about it to the landlord.

However I think the large shards of glass arranged on the sill, that seem to come from the edges of the window indicate that Guede cleared them from the frame and than unlatched the window by hand or with some tool ( e.g. a knife).

I would think a 9lb rock thrown with the force you imply would do more than a small chip off that wood. Tbh I'm surprised that inner shade wasn't hanging from the window.

ETA what about the curtains? We're they all pushed to one side when the rock came through? Was this the way Filomena often left them?

 

[Sigh Sister]

Forget about it, Massei's idea was nuts. He claimed that they simply broke the window from the inside out.



Where's the facepalm?
Ah, here it is :facepalm:

It's as ridiculous as I thought it would be. Thanks.

So, how do people who think the scene was staged explain this? Embedded glass and an obvious mark where the rock probably hit on the outer side of the inner shutter.

 

[otto]

Once we get past the spiderman theory and the bouncing, anti-gravity nine pound rock, what happens with the eye witness testimony about the broken glass on top of the ransacked items ... simply assume that eye witnesses are all liars?

 

[Tugela]

Once we get past the spiderman theory and the bouncing, anti-gravity nine pound rock, what happens with the eye witness testimony about the broken glass on top of the ransacked items ... simply assume that eye witnesses are all liars?

If they lived like typical college students there would probably be stuff scattered about anyway for glass to land on. You do not need to invoke some special conspiracy to explain it.

Also, once the glass was on some objects, the process of ransacking would have spread the fragments, so it would be possible to find them at places where they did not originally land.

LE was not carefull at all about moving evidence (as can be seen from the bra story) so it possible that initial investigators may have done some of this.

Many reasonable explanations.

 

[Tugela]

It's as ridiculous as I thought it would be. Thanks.

So, how do people who think the scene was staged explain this? Embedded glass and an obvious mark where the rock probably hit on the outer side of the inner shutter.

They don't. They ignore it because it does not fit with their idea of events. The entire investigation was riddled with that type of thinking, which is why it is such a mess today.

 

[otto]

If they lived like typical college students there would probably be stuff scattered about anyway for glass to land on. You do not need to invoke some special conspiracy to explain it.

Also, once the glass was on some objects, the process of ransacking would have spread the fragments, so it would be possible to find them at places where they did not originally land.

LE was not carefull at all about moving evidence (as can be seen from the bra story) so it possible that initial investigators may have done some of this.

Many reasonable explanations.

Why would two legal professionals live like "typical college students"?

... or should we pretend that Filomina and Laura were college students in order to make the excuses for murder fit.

 

[geevee]

I would think a 9lb rock thrown with the force you imply would do more than a small chip off that wood. Tbh I'm surprised that inner shade wasn't hanging from the window.

ETA what about the curtains? We're they all pushed to one side when the rock came through? Was this the way Filomena often left them?

I presume this pic was taken before anything was moved:


http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=49&image_id=3786

It does appear that the inner shutter was pushed open by the force of the rock. I also think it's not out of the realm of probability that the glass absorbed some of the force of the rock, leaving the damage/dent in the wood we see.

 

[otto]

I presume this pic was taken before anything was moved:


http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=49&image_id=3786

It does appear that the inner shutter was pushed open by the force of the rock. I also think it's not out of the realm of probability that the glass absorbed some of the force of the rock, leaving the damage/dent in the wood we see.

The rock was found under the desk. How did it get there?

 

[Amber29]

I presume this pic was taken before anything was moved:


http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=49&image_id=3786

It does appear that the inner shutter was pushed open by the force of the rock. I also think it's not out of the realm of probability that the glass absorbed some of the force of the rock, leaving the damage/dent in the wood we see.

I actually can't tell from that pic anything about the inner shutter.

 

[Snoods]

Hi everyone! I haven't posted here in a while, but I just had to tell everyone this is a GREAT lurker thread. My opinion changes post to post lol. Y'all are making it interesting no matter which side you're on.

I'm still on the innocent side, though. *Ducking*

 

[MichaelSmith]

The original crime scene video, minus frames showing Meredith's body:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/police_video_november_2_2007.mp4
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/police_video_november_3_2007_part1.mp4
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/police_video_november_3_2007_part2.mp4
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/cottage_exterior_walkaround.mp4

Dec 18 video
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/sopralluogo.mp4

If you pay close attention to Filomenas room, you'll see they altered it within hours and the guy is walking room to room without changing shoe covers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tigators-joked-taking-cocaine-stay-awake.html

In the audio they were joking about taking cocaine, forgot the luminol and didn't know how to use the equipment.

 

[otto]

The original crime scene video, minus frames showing Meredith's body:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/police_video_november_2_2007.mp4
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/police_video_november_3_2007_part1.mp4
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/police_video_november_3_2007_part2.mp4
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/cottage_exterior_walkaround.mp4

Dec 18 video
http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/sopralluogo.mp4

If you pay close attention to Filomenas room, you'll see they altered it within hours and the guy is walking room to room without changing shoe covers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tigators-joked-taking-cocaine-stay-awake.html

In the audio they were joking about taking cocaine, forgot the luminol and didn't know how to use the equipment.

Is that the footage that Dr Sollecito released against the wishes of the victim's family and orders of the court?

 

[MichaelSmith]

Is that the footage that Dr Sollecito released against the wishes of the victim's family and orders of the court?

No but you've reminded me of the incident where Maresca showed graphic naked dead body photos of Meredith to the worlds media in open court. Why did he do that instead of waiting for the media to be cleared from the courtroom? Do you think he had permission from his client, the victims family to be so crass?

 

[DerKritiker2011]

The rock was found under the desk. How did it get there?

The shutter wasn't completly opened. The stone was deflected by the shutter in case of the conservation of momentum.

 

[Allusonz]

Ok just past the 1:47 mark he reaches the ledge with his hands and attempts to pull himself up.

He fails and lowers himself back down.

The camera moves from him to the lawyers

The next time the show him, he is sitting on the ledge holding the bars.

The video DOES NOT show him actually hoisting himself up without the bars. Period.

They leave this thought to their viewers.

You believe it and I don't and I am completely serious.

I believe that everyone is forgetting that there was more than one re-enactment of this scenerio. Does anyone here honestly believe that the prosecution did not test their theory that the rock was thrown from the inside? I believe this to be a major flaw in the thought process here. So can anyone point me in the direction of the prosecution being able to reconstruct their theory of the rock being thrown from the inside?

I don't believe anyone can.

All of the re-enactments were able to show that it was quite possible to of done this from the outside and climb up and through the window.

Then of course you have a judge that thinks that a ballistics expert could not possibly be credible since supposedly they are not a ROCK THROWING expert.

 

[Allusonz]

Is that the footage that Dr Sollecito released against the wishes of the victim's family and orders of the court?

Let me see if I understand this right. To date we have the following:

1. PLE leaking information to the press.

2. As one poster has already pointed out MK's families own lawyer did not wait for the courtroom to be cleared.

3. We have a cleanup of DNA which is not visible to the naked eye being cleaned up according to some without one bit of evidence to support this claim.

4. We now have people floating in the air in order to reach up a few feet, yet anyone that has done any kind of rock climbing whether that be indoors or outdoors, is more than capable of climbing much higher than this with less to grab onto.

5. It is being suggested that a press organization edited their tape without anything to back up this hypothesis in any way shape or form.

6. Even with the weather reports regarding "rain", they are ALL wrong only because a prosecutor stated so. The same prosecution that has deceived the courts previously.

7. There is not one puddle of water showing in any of the initial photographs. In fact there is no moisture present at all.

8. Testimony in court contradicts this information.

Yet the JUDGE is correct whether he ignored evidence presented or not.

We have gone from a satanic sex orgy fueled by drugs to feces in a toilet. I feel like this case is out of the twilight zone.

ETA Why has no one mentioned the WIND that evening? How does anyone explain to me that MK's phone was enroute or at the garden by 10:13?

 

[otto]

No but you've reminded me of the incident where Maresca showed graphic naked dead body photos of Meredith to the worlds media in open court. Why did he do that instead of waiting for the media to be cleared from the courtroom? Do you think he had permission from his client, the victims family to be so crass?

Was he presenting evidence? Were the media too delicate, or unprofessional, to be present for trial evidence?

Who really cares if the journalists saw the evidence ... that's their job. If they are journalists, presumably they did not interfere with the trial by publishing gossip about gruesome naked dead body photos, but instead reported the legal argument.