Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

[TorisMom003]

Do ou suppose that could be the part of the article that was UPDATED?

Since the article was updated on the 8th of November then I will have to say no.

 

[Myvice]

John Kercher documents his visit to Perugia in his book and there's no mention of attending the memorial.

Oh I see, proof by omission.

 

[TorisMom003]

This isn't about me. This is about whether Meredith's family attended her memorial and placed a rose and a note next to the candles at the memorial. Media reports state that the family did place a rose at the memorial. Was the hope that the memorial was taken away, cleaned up, and gone as soon as it was set up?

Why is it important to take that small gesture away from the victim's family?

It becomes very annoying to have to replay over and over what one has posted about a memorial service and when that is proven wrong then one is intent on making the issue about lack of support to the victim's family. Again, the fact that AK and RS did not attend the memorial service is being used against them as something evil and sinister. Yet proof has been presented now that Meredith's family also did not attend the memorial service.

 

[Myvice]

The article clearly states that the Kerchers arrived "yesterday" and that "last night" there was a memorial vigil at the university.

Obviously this was NOT in the part that was UPDATED and the rest was what was updated. The Kerchers were there in time for the memorial.

 

[Monzoo]

This isn't about me. This is about whether Meredith's family attended her memorial and placed a rose and a note next to the candles at the memorial. Media reports state that the family did place a rose at the memorial. Was the hope that the memorial was taken away, cleaned up, and gone as soon as it was set up?

Why is it important to take that small gesture away from the victim's family?

It isn't about you, but it is about making sure that all participants in this thread can properly source their assertions. You still have not provided any proof that anyone close to this case attended the memorial service. We have been asked to back up our statements, and I have asked you to back up yours.

Alternatively, you could concede that no one with a real connection to the case attended, and the fact that AK and RS did not attend has absolutely no meaning.

 

[TorisMom003]

"Meredith Kercher’s family laid a red rose on the steps of Perugia Cathedral."

The above states where Meredith's family laid the rose and note. In the short article this was in, it also states that students walked from the Parkinson Steps at the University of Leeds to the Tetley Garden. The Tetley Garden is also on the grounds of the University of Leeds. The Perugia Cathedral is located in the city's main square.

http://www.zimbio.com/Meredith+Kercher/articles/3/Memorial+for+Meredith+Kercher

 

[MichaelSmith]

However, our attentions were now focused on the constant possibility that one of the defence teams representing the accused would demand a second autopsy on Meredith. This, they were arguing, was to try to determine the precise time of death. One autopsy was enough to contend with in our minds; a second was a prospect that we did not want to think about. To our relief, the request was denied. Yet it would still be six long weeks before Meredith would be returned to us to be laid to rest.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (pp. 28-29). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570573/Meredith-Kerchers-family-plead-for-funeral.html

The request for a second autopsy was made by lawyers of Patrick Diya Lumumba, a Congolese bar owner, who has now been freed but remains a suspect.

 

[otto]

It isn't about you, but it is about making sure that all participants in this thread can properly source their assertions. You still have not provided any proof that anyone close to this case attended the memorial service. We have been asked to back up our statements, and I have asked you to back up yours.

Alternatively, you could concede that no one with a real connection to the case attended, and the fact that AK and RS did not attend has absolutely no meaning.

I understand that those that believe that Knox should not have been convicted of murder also want to believe that the murder victim's friends and family did not attend her memorial. 100 people attended the memorial. Meredith's family placed a rose at the memorial ... next to the candles.

http://dailymail.co.uk

 

[Monzoo]

I understand that those that believe that Knox should not have been convicted of murder also want to believe that the murder victim's friends and family did not attend her memorial. 100 people attended the memorial. Meredith's family placed a rose at the memorial ... next to the candles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

So, does that mean that you concede that there is no proof that anyone closely conneted to the case attended that Monday night memorial?

I will agree that Meredith's family placed a rose and a note at the spot the memorial was held the day after, when they arrived in Perugia. Since they weren't in Perugia that Monday night.

 

[MichaelSmith]

I understand that those that believe that Knox should not have been convicted of murder also want to believe that the murder victim's friends and family did not attend her memorial. 100 people attended the memorial. Meredith's family placed a rose at the memorial ... next to the candles.

Everything they did in Perugia is documented in John Kercher's book and attending the memorial isn't one of those things, they didn't arrive till "nearly a week later"

From "Meredith"

The following day, we visited the church in Perugia’s main square, where so many of her friends from the town had lit candles for her, and left our own. I wondered if Meredith herself might have visited this church, and whether we were walking in her footsteps. Then, British Consulate staff drove us back to Florence, where we met and hired the services of a lawyer, Francesco Maresca.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (p. 24). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

Could you provide a cite from his book where he says they attended the memorial or offer a plausible reason for why he would omit that but detail everything else they did? Why would he write they didn't arrive in Perugia till nearly a week later if they arrived Nov 5 which was only 3 days later?

 

[otto]

So, does that mean that you concede that there is no proof that anyone closely conneted to the case attended that Monday night memorial?

I will agree that Meredith's family placed a rose and a note at the spot the memorial was held the day after, when they arrived in Perugia. Since they weren't in Perugia that Monday night.

I have provided links to 100 friends attending the memorial and the family placing a rose at the memorial.

Perhaps now it is time to provide links supporting the belief that friends and family did not attend the memorial. Perhaps someone should tell the organizers of the memorial that they had no right to produce a banner stating "friends in Perugia".

 

[otto]

Everything they did in Perugia is documented in John Kercher's book and attending the memorial isn't one of those things, they didn't arrive till "nearly a week later"

From "Meredith"



Could you provide a cite from his book where he says they attended the memorial or offer a plausible reason for why he would omit that but detail everything else they did? Why would he write they didn't arrive in Perugia till nearly a week later if they arrived Nov 5 which was only 3 days later?

It is my understanding that the media links that have been provided are acceptable references.

 

[TorisMom003]

I have provided links to 100 friends attending the memorial and the family placing a rose at the memorial.

Perhaps now it is time to provide links supporting the belief that friends and family did not attend the memorial. Perhaps someone should tell the organizers of the memorial that they had no right to produce a banner stating "friends in Perugia".

The 100 friends did not go to where Meredith's family went to place the rose and note for Meredith. I have posted a link to this above. The 100 friends were at the University of Leeds. The family went to the Perugia Cathedral.

 

[MichaelSmith]

It is my understanding that the media links that have been provided are acceptable references.

The most accurate source for what the Kercher's did or didn't do in Perugia is the book written by John Kercher imo. He details quite clearly what they did and when and they didn't attend the memorial because they hadn't even arrived.

 

[MichaelSmith]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-student-detained-in-italy-murder/

Members of Kercher's family arrived earlier Tuesday in Perugia and were being hosted at the city's expense at a central hotel, awaiting word from prosecutors on when they can take her remains home, Occhiuto said in a phone interview.

Tuesday was November 6

 

[sherlockh]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-student-detained-in-italy-murder/

Members of Kercher's family arrived earlier Tuesday in Perugia and were being hosted at the city's expense at a central hotel, awaiting word from prosecutors on when they can take her remains home, Occhiuto said in a phone interview.

Tuesday was November 6

So we got different media saying different things. Why don't we ask Knox herself then?

CUOMO: You didn't go to the vigil for Meredith.

KNOX: Yes.

CUOMO: Should you have?

KNOX: I mean, I found out about it almost right before it happened. And I mean, I wish I would have asked Raffaele to kind put his plans for that evening aside and let me go. It was simply a matter of we had spent hours and hours and hours in the police office and it was an overwhelming situation. I wish I would have gone to that. I didn't know that Meredith's family was going to be there yet. That is something that I regret.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1305/07/se.01.html

 

[MichaelSmith]

So we got different media saying different things. Why don't we ask Knox herself then?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1305/07/se.01.html

Why not use John Kercher's book when making claims about what they did in Perugia? He says quite clearly what they did and when.

 

[redheadedgal]

If Meredith's family did not attend the memorial, why is it reported that they laid a rose next to the candles?

Memorial held in Perugia on Monday, November 5 (Knox and Sollecito had not yet been arrested).

"Miss Kercher's family - father John, mother Arline and sister Stephanie - yesterday arrived in Perugia. They laid a note and a rose next to an array of candles outside the cathedral. The note said: 'Love you forever Meredith, all my love Dad .'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491608/Foxy-Knoxy-I-heard-Meredith-scream--covered-ears.html

I had stated that Meredith's family and friends attended Meredith's memorial. It was suggested that I was lying. Now that I have provided a link regarding what Meredith's family did at Meredith's memorial, perhaps we could have a link stating that Meredith's family and friends did not attend the memorial ... as that unreferenced claim has been stated several times.

this article states they arrived "yesterday" ... and since the the article was written on the 8th, "yesterday" would've been the 7th. so, her family arrived a few days AFTER the event took place and attended the site then, not on the 5th, the day OF the memorial. quite different from "(they) attended that memorial" -- which would imply being present WHEN the memorial was actually occurring -- on the 5th.

otto: Knox and Sollecito did not attend the memorial for Meredith in Perugia. The memorial occurred before they were arrested. All of Meredith's friend and family attended that memorial. Nothing prevented Knox and Sollecito from attending the memorial. They simply chose to not attend.

 

[aa9511]

You're talking about inaccuracies. That's not changing story. The story is always the same.

No, the story is not always the same. If someone says, "I ate dinner at 8:30," and also says, "I ate dinner at 11:00," then those two statements are not the same thing. I don't know, maybe your definition of "same" is different than mine.

It's incorrect to say the story is always the same. Whether from "inaccuracies" or from "lies." Just because, to you, it's an "inaccuracy" does not mean that the standard definition of "same" should change just to fit in with the belief of "inaccuracy" instead of "lie."

 

[redheadedgal]

So we needed a link for the warm washing machine

8 February 2009
The Guardian - which is a respected news source:

"Blonde, bespectacled Filomena Romanelli also posed a string of problems for the defence. She said that when she returned to the house they shared on 2 November 2007 the washing machine was warm. She later identified most of the clothes inside as those of the victim, Meredith Kercher, a student at Leeds University."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/08/kercher-trial-knox

Then we needed a link that friends and family were at the memorial

Memorial held in Perugia on Monday, November 5 (Knox and Sollecito had not yet been arrested).

"Miss Kercher's family - father John, mother Arline and sister Stephanie - yesterday arrived in Perugia. They laid a note and a rose next to an array of candles outside the cathedral. The note said: 'Love you forever Meredith, all my love Dad .'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491608/Foxy-Knoxy-I-heard-Meredith-scream--covered-ears.html

Regarding luminol, the link you provided (upthread) states that 42 days is optimal when using one of the blood identification chemicals. Which chemical was used at the cottage?

... searching the same old links for six years each time the same old subject is brought up again ... knowing that much of the information has vanished over time.

i already corrected the mistake about the K's "attending the memorial"...

and, i believe the study i linked has been misread. what it said about luminol and 42 days IS

luminol gave the greatest amount of useable alleles relative to itself in the 7 day study and the least in the 42 day study.