Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

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  • #801
Amanda has now removed the link to the Kercher website from her blog.

This is obviously further evidence of her evil, manipulative ways.

Absolutely not, I think that was a good decision. Lets people know she cares about the Kerchers feelings.

I've said it was a nice gesture IMO but good of her to respect the families wishes. Maybe if she is acquitted in this trial, the Kerchers can begin to see her in another light.

I understand this has got to be so difficult for them. To trust this system that so many speak so negatively of.
 
  • #802
When every bit of evidence is discounted because the entire Italian justice system is out to get Amanda it becomes suspect as well, IMO.
With all due respect, this does not describe Amanda and Raffaele's supporters at all. I discount the evidence, because the evidence itself tells me to discount it. Let me briefly provide one example to illustrate what I mean. I would not take the luminol footprints as evidence against anyone.* Without supporting tests, a positive luminol result by itself is not even accepted as evidence in some jurisdictions. There are an insufficient number of reference footprints. According to Colonel Garofano the luminol was overapplied, leading to loss of detail and dilation of the image. They don't form a trail and are all right feet IIRC. Yes, they are an oddity, but that is all they are. The rest of the evidence against the pair is either not much better, or it is even worse. MOO.
*by which I mean that if Rinaldi said tomorrow that one of the footprints belonged to Guede, I would not accept it as evidence against him. I hope this helps clarify things.
 
  • #803
Amanda has now removed the link to the Kercher website from her blog.

This is obviously further evidence of her evil, manipulative ways.

A lawyer acting on behalf of the Kerchers requested that Knox remove all references to their daughter. Has Knox done that?
 
  • #804
A lawyer acting on behalf of the Kerchers requested that Knox remove all references to their daughter. Has Knox done that?

Yes she has. Does her evil know no bounds?
 
  • #805
Absolutely not, I think that was a good decision. Lets people know she cares about the Kerchers feelings.

I've said it was a nice gesture IMO but good of her to respect the families wishes. Maybe if she is acquitted in this trial, the Kerchers can begin to see her in another light.

I understand this has got to be so difficult for them. To trust this system that so many speak so negatively of.

I think it's too late. What Knox did was selfish and cruel. If anything was removed from her blog, it was not done willingly.
 
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I think it's too late. What Knox did was selfish and cruel. If anything was removed from her blog, it was not done willingly.
It would have seemed more authentic and in good faith, had she done so initially, yes.
 
  • #808
It would have seemed more authentic and in good faith, had she done so initially, yes.

When Knox received a request from the lawyer, acting on behalf of the family, requesting that she remove all references to their daughter from her blog, she should have respected that request. She did not. When the issue was raised in court (meaning that now the world knew the disrespect she showed the victim's family), she dug her heals in and demanded that the family communicate directly with her.

I read the comments from people like Michelle Moore (wife of Steve Moore - retired FBI), which have since been deleted, encouraging Knox to stand her ground, to not back down, to not respect the wishes of the family. With people like that encouraging her to do the wrong thing, she doesn't stand a chance. What is obvious to me is that she does not know what is right and what is wrong. She does not understand empathy. She has no ability to understand how Meredith's family feels. She does not care about them.

She looks for the right words to say, but they are not genuine. She claims that Meredith was her friend when that serves a purpose for her. She claims that she hardly knew Meredith when that serves a purpose. In my opinion, Knox is capable of great cruelty - as evidenced by her demand that the family of a murder victim speak directly with her before she will consider honoring their request. This latest incident from Knox has offered a wide open window to her soul, and what is seen through that window is a selfish cruelty.
 
  • #809
When Knox received a request from the lawyer, acting on behalf of the family, requesting that she remove all references to their daughter from her blog, she should have respected that request. She did not. When the issue was raised in court (meaning that now the world knew the disrespect she showed the victim's family), she dug her heals in and demanded that the family communicate directly with her.

I read the comments from people like Michelle Moore (wife of Steve Moore - retired FBI), which have since been deleted, encouraging Knox to stand her ground, to not back down, to not respect the wishes of the family. With people like that encouraging her to do the wrong thing, she doesn't stand a chance. What is obvious to me is that she does not know what is right and what is wrong. She does not understand empathy. She has no ability to understand how Meredith's family feels. She does not care about them.

She looks for the right words to say, but they are not genuine. She claims that Meredith was her friend when that serves a purpose for her. She claims that she hardly knew Meredith when that serves a purpose. In my opinion, Knox is capable of great cruelty - as evidenced by her demand that the family of a murder victim speak directly with her before she will consider honoring their request. This latest incident from Knox has offered a wide open window to her soul, and what is seen through that window is a selfish cruelty.
You may be right about the selfish cruelty, I don't know. What I seem to see is a person who has a hard time gauging what is expected of her. It reminds me of Aspberger syndrome, which I deal with up close and on a daily basis. I think your comment about Michele Moore is telling: If Knox was taking her direction from others, this may have hurt her. And it is an indication that she doesn't know what she should do, on her own.
 
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You may be right about the selfish cruelty, I don't know. What I seem to see is a person who has a hard time gauging what is expected of her. It reminds me of Aspberger syndrome, which I deal with up close and on a daily basis. I think your comment about Michele Moore is telling: If Knox was taking her direction from others, this may have hurt her. And it is an indication that she doesn't know what she should do, on her own.

I believe the problem lies more with what some people expect of her than her ability to gauge those expectations. [See my previous post for her quote on the issue].
 
  • #812
The thing that bothers me far more than anything Amanda does on her blog, is being confused about the evidence.

I was just reading John Kercher's book, ( Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth; 2012, Hodder and Stoughton)

and there is a point where he is talking about the police telling him that if luminol shows blood, but no blood was evident to the naked eye, it is a near certainty that a clean up occurred or was attempted. I can see why he became convinced that Knox and Sollecito were involved in his daughter's killing. With the things he was being told by police and legal authorities - such as that his daughter's blood, mixed with Knox's dna, appeared in Filomena's room, and that no traces of Guede were in that room - how could he come to any other conclusion???

Then I hear things from people with far more expertise than I - I have none - who say the luminol traces are not evidence, because they may have been reacting to cleaning agents or fruit juice and the prints and traces may be from prior times. That the crime scene was not staged. That blood droplets in the small bath were probably menstrual, and from prior times.

Halkides is a man respected in his field, so how can I just discount what he says? And C & V - how can they come to such different conclusions from Stefanoni?

It is impossible to overestimate the importance of the mixed blood or DNA or the crime scene simulation: To me, nothing in this case matters as much as whether or not the forensic evidence holds up.

If it does, then I can imagine many scenarios involving Guede, Sollecito, and Knox, which might have unfolded. We all know truth can be stranger than fiction. BUT: If it does not, then none of these scenarios has any real relevance or meaning.

If I were on the jury, I would need to know, beyond a reasonable doubt that:

  • a clean-up occurred
  • a burglary was simulated/staged
  • that dna/blood mixed traces revealed with luminol (in the small bath, Filomena's room ) were legitimate by protocol standards of forensic science
  • that Sollecito's footprint is on the bathmat, positively

These things matter FAR more than any behavior on Amanda's part. They are the solid reality of the crime scene. They should not be mere speculation. :mad:

Is it too much to ask, in the 21st century, that these things be definitive? If they are, then they are guilty - no matter how sweet they seem. If not, this is simply a waste of time. As I have said time and again, I am just SO frustrated that I cannot determine this. If the convictions are upheld, I want to know whether or not I should be glad of this. Conversely, if they are acquitted, I need to know if this is justice or farce. Just really frustrated :tantrum:
 
  • #813
Thank you for this link. I hadn't seen it before.

I wonder how many people scrub their knives to this degree.

Not to forget the brownish tint on the scrubbed part.

Does anyone else see this? I don't know if it's my eyes playing tricks on me or not.

Can someone else tell me if they see the brownish tint on the scrubbed part of the knife?
 
  • #814
Not to forget the brownish tint on the scrubbed part.

Does anyone else see this? I don't know if it's my eyes playing tricks on me or not.

Can someone else tell me if they see the brownish tint on the scrubbed part of the knife?
You mean, faint brownish lines? I see those.
 
  • #815
BBM - I agree, and I think passionate feelings really have no place in this case:

It should rest on whether on not the evidence supports guilt.

I believe people who go to excess with their hatred of Knox (not really on this site; I am actually thinking of other forums ) are actually detracting from, and weakening the case for culpability, making it appear suspect.

Yes, but not on this site, like you said. I feel like sometimes people bring in their problems with other forums and project them onto this one. Like referring to those who believe in their guilt as "guil****." And talking about avatars which none of us have or have ever discussed.

I personally rarely go to these websites with that kind of vitriol, apparently, on both sides. So I have not seen this type of behavior or those avatars. I guess I am pretty insulated on here.

I have no idea what goes on on the "outside." But now I'm catching on, based on some posts on here, and so I now understand where the high emotions come from. But please, we have nothing to do with the other forums. So it's not fair for people to come on and bring over their problems with people from another site, forum, thread, whatever.

Thank you.

(SMK, I'm not talking speifically to you, this post is just in general).
 
  • #816
Yes, but not on this site, like you said. I feel like sometimes people bring in their problems with other forums and project them onto this one. Like referring to those who believe in their guilt as "guil****." And talking about avatars which none of us have or have ever discussed.

I personally rarely go to these websites with that kind of vitriol, apparently, on both sides. So I have not seen this type of behavior or those avatars. I guess I am pretty insulated on here.

I have no idea what goes on on the "outside." But now I'm catching on, based on some posts on here, and so I now understand where the high emotions come from. But please, we have nothing to do with the other forums. So it's not fair for people to come on and bring over their problems with people from another site, forum, thread, whatever.

Thank you.

(SMK, I'm not talking speifically to you, this post is just in general).
Yes, I agree with you. The sort of vitriol and over-the-top demonization of Knox - or of Mignini et al - actually is not really seen on this site; or if it is, only a word here or there , and not the kind of litany seen on these other sites. I think this attests to the quality of the dialog here, and to strict moderation, as well.
 
  • #817
Amanda has now removed the link to the Kercher website from her blog.

This is obviously further evidence of her evil, manipulative ways.

Maybe she's just been reading online comments on various places and figured out what the "normal" reactions would be..........................
 
  • #818
I'm with SMK on evidence over impressions. Re: the "simulated" break in:
1. There was an actual burglary of Meredith's phones and money, and RG's dna was found inside her purse, so "simulated" seems wrong to begin with.
2. The glass shard embedded in the inside wooden shutter indicates to me the rock was thrown from outside.
3. As much as I dislike conjectured scenarios . . . I can see RG entering Filomena's bedroom through the window, pulling or knocking clothes off out of the wardrobe, then hearing Meredith enter the front door, he freezes in the dark room, she walks past and doesn't see him, after a time he follows her and mayhem ensues. With everything that follows, he does not return to Filomena's room and leaves through the front door.
 
  • #819
The bra clasp had dna from another unidentified male besides Raffaele. They should have tested it against the dna of every male who was in the cottage AFTER the murder, to rule out contamination. If they also found dna from one of the police or investigators or boyfriends, would it prove that they were also involved in the murder?
 
  • #820
Her explanation strikes me as being compassionate and heart-felt. I agree with her that she is in no-win situation no matter what she does.<modsnip>
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Amanda, just be yourself.

It just illustrates my point that she's trying too hard to be something she's not.

The best advice those around her can give her is to just be honest, be yourself, say what is truly in your heart.

Why is she not able to speak from her heart?

If she has good intentions, she should be able to do that.

That she is not able to freely speak from her heart, tells me she doesn't want us to hear what's actually in her heart. Why is that?

These are only natural questions one is left asking.

What does she feel that she doesn't want to say?

The way she is trying to say what everyone wants her to say, it doesn't make sense, because if she was innocent, what she feels in her own heart should not be something to hide. Because she would still feel compassion for the Kercher family, as well as obviously being dismayed and yes, angry, at the position she's in.

Yet we see no such signs of real emotion. The conflicting emotions that would naturally arise from a true inocent person in that situation.

It is like emotions coming from a can, just whatever she thinks people want to hear.

It doesn't ring true because it's not conflicting and not natural.

It is ok, if innocent, to feel sad and angry at the same time. Or any number of conflicting emotions.

She doesn't seem to. Why? Why cannot she not say what she feels in her heart?
 
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