Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

[Amber29]

None of the above. I'd really like Otto to consider the legitimate and reasonable questions I asked. But I cannot demand it, obviously.

Massei didn't make up the hickey testimony either, or Kokomani's testimony. Did he?

Did Crini mention every little piece of evidence or can the Nencini court read Massei for themselves?

 

[Katody]

Did Crini mention every little piece of evidence or can the Nencini court read Massei for themselves?

Of course Nencini can read even Barbie and Follain if it pleases him.

Crini made his case. It doesn't include the hickey, Kokomani or Otto's 'mysterious' witness. For a reason.

 

[TorisMom003]

Perhaps I am missing something here. No matter when Amanda noticed the broken window, how does that point to her guilt? Is this just an argument to forget about the actual evidence against the killer and none against Amanda in Meredith's room?

 

[Amber29]

Of course Nencini can read even Barbie and Follain if it pleases him.

Crini made his case. It doesn't include the hickey, Kokomani or Otto's 'mysterious' witness. For a reason.

I think it's asking a bit much, claiming Otto is somehow being dishonest.

You asked for a source

He has provided Massei reasoning as his source.

Now you want the source behind the source. Which he has no access to.

I believe the Massei reasoning is considered a good source as fact here.

 

[Katody]

I'm still waiting for the link that I requested. TIA

Regarding the request for transcripts from legal proceedings in Italy, are you fluent in Italian? Do you happen to have a link for the complete legal proceedings of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia?

I can provide you a link to complete Crini's closing arguments. You of course do have Galati's appeal and SC report.

You do know there is no mention of this very important witness there. Doesn't it bother you?
Or do you mean this testimony was "rejected" from the appeal?

 

[Amber29]

Perhaps I am missing something here. No matter when Amanda noticed the broken window, how does that point to her guilt? Is this just an argument to forget about the actual evidence against the killer and none against Amanda in Meredith's room?

When amanda noticed the window makes a huge difference.

If she saw it in her first visit, there is no reason to have waited hours to call the police.

 

[TorisMom003]

When amanda noticed the window makes a huge difference.

If she saw it in her first visit, there is no reason to have waited hours to call the police.

Again, this points to her guilt how? The guilt of being involved in killing Meredith of course. And if she saw the window during her first visit but didn't call police what exactly does that prove?

 

[Katody]

Perhaps I am missing something here. No matter when Amanda noticed the broken window, how does that point to her guilt? Is this just an argument to forget about the actual evidence against the killer and none against Amanda in Meredith's room?

Had Amanda noticed the broken window and concealed it from Filomena and Raffaele it would be quite an oddity, pointing to a serious inconsistency in her story.

 

[TorisMom003]

Had Amanda noticed the broken window and concealed it from Filomena and Raffaele it would be quite an oddity, pointing to a serious inconsistency in her story.

But it still doesn't point to guilt. A lack of judgment, sure. There is no evidence pointing to Amanda in Meredith's room where the killing took place. And before anyone says it, the lamp could have been placed there at any time by anyone.

 

[Amber29]

Again, this points to her guilt how? The guilt of being involved in killing Meredith of course. And if she saw the window during her first visit but didn't call police what exactly does that prove?

Tells me she wasn't ready to call the police for a reason. Not to mention she would've waited an hour or so before even calling her roommates. If you saw your roommates window broken, would you call them immediately?

 

[Amber29]

But it still doesn't point to guilt. A lack of judgment, sure. There is no evidence pointing to Amanda in Meredith's room where the killing took place. And before anyone says it, the lamp could have been placed there at any time by anyone.

Oh yes the lack of evidence theory, there is a lack of evidence of RG in Filomenas room and the small bathroom as well. Doesn't mean as a lone wolf that he wasn't in there.

 

[Katody]

I think it's asking a bit much, claiming Otto is somehow being dishonest.

You asked for a source

He has provided Massei reasoning as his source.

Now you want the source behind the source. Which he has no access to.

I believe the Massei reasoning is considered a good source as fact here.

Massei's report is nice, apart from the things he glosses over or outright omits. I just wonder why didn't Otto include the name of the witness in his quote.
"Amanda reported" sounds serious and official and very important. It's quite strange no mention of her "reporting" in any of these sources:
Hellmann's report; Galati's appeal; Supreme Court motivation; Crini's arguments.
All of these consider and mention all of the other important evidence. They even consider the BS evidence, like Raffaele telling the 112 operator "there was no theft". Why nothing about Amanda "reporting" such a serious hole in her story?

 

[otto]

If Meredith's family did not attend the memorial, why is it reported that they laid a rose next to the candles?

Memorial held in Perugia on Monday, November 5 (Knox and Sollecito had not yet been arrested).

"Miss Kercher's family - father John, mother Arline and sister Stephanie - yesterday arrived in Perugia. They laid a note and a rose next to an array of candles outside the cathedral. The note said: 'Love you forever Meredith, all my love Dad .'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491608/Foxy-Knoxy-I-heard-Meredith-scream--covered-ears.html

I had stated that Meredith's family and friends attended Meredith's memorial. It was suggested that I was lying. Now that I have provided a link regarding what Meredith's family did at Meredith's memorial, perhaps we could have a link stating that Meredith's family and friends did not attend the memorial ... as that unreferenced claim has been stated several times.

 

[redheadedgal]

I'm still waiting for the link that I requested. TIA

so the requested link that asserts optimal luminol application is 6 weeks after a crime is now forthcoming?

 

[TorisMom003]

Oh yes the lack of evidence theory, there is a lack of evidence of RG in Filomenas room and the small bathroom as well. Doesn't mean as a lone wolf that he wasn't in there.

What all was tested in Filomena's room? Did the investigators dust the window sill for prints? Or did they decide that since it appeared to be a staged scene that no dusting was needed? The footprint on the bathmat has not been conclusively determined to belong or not belong to RG.

 

[otto]

Massei's report is nice, apart from the things he glosses over or outright omits. I just wonder why didn't Otto include the name of the witness in his quote.
"Amanda reported" sounds serious and official and very important. It's quite strange no mention of her "reporting" in any of these sources:
Hellmann's report; Galati's appeal; Supreme Court motivation; Crini's arguments.
All of these consider and mention all of the other important evidence. They even consider the BS evidence, like Raffaele telling the 112 operator "there was no theft". Why nothing about Amanda "reporting" such a serious hole in her story?

No problem. If I know that the person requesting the link for legal transcripts from Italy is fluent in Italian, then I can understand the request. Additionally, someone fluent in Italian will have a much easier time of locating the complete transcripts so, to make it easier to search for the sources that Massei used when compiling his report, please provide that link. TIA

 

[MichaelSmith]

Because I'm trying to learn the logic behind pointing out all the negative about 1 prosecutor that at this point has no role in the case.

He never solo prosecuted this case, so do you feel the same way about comodi as you do Mignini?

I don't "feel" anything for Mignini. I just pointed out he was a convicted criminal and I didn't recall anyone saying the man was "evil".

Do you think Comodi not having a criminal record makes it ok to have convicted criminals as prosecutors? That seems to be what you're implying. Maybe I'm mistaken?

 

[otto]

so the requested link that asserts optimal luminol application is 6 weeks after a crime is now forthcoming?

So we needed a link for the warm washing machine

8 February 2009
The Guardian - which is a respected news source:

"Blonde, bespectacled Filomena Romanelli also posed a string of problems for the defence. She said that when she returned to the house they shared on 2 November 2007 the washing machine was warm. She later identified most of the clothes inside as those of the victim, Meredith Kercher, a student at Leeds University."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/08/kercher-trial-knox

Then we needed a link that friends and family were at the memorial

Memorial held in Perugia on Monday, November 5 (Knox and Sollecito had not yet been arrested).

"Miss Kercher's family - father John, mother Arline and sister Stephanie - yesterday arrived in Perugia. They laid a note and a rose next to an array of candles outside the cathedral. The note said: 'Love you forever Meredith, all my love Dad .'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491608/Foxy-Knoxy-I-heard-Meredith-scream--covered-ears.html

Regarding luminol, the link you provided (upthread) states that 42 days is optimal when using one of the blood identification chemicals. Which chemical was used at the cottage?

... searching the same old links for six years each time the same old subject is brought up again ... knowing that much of the information has vanished over time.

 

[Katody]

No problem. If I know that the person requesting the link for legal transcripts from Italy is fluent in Italian, then I can understand the request. Additionally, someone fluent in Italian will have a much easier time of locating the complete transcripts so, to make it easier to search for the sources that Massei used when compiling his report, please provide that link. TIA

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<modsnip> Compare the testimony of this particular mysterious witness with the rest of the virginal islanders' stories.

 

[Amber29]

I don't "feel" anything for Mignini. I just pointed out he was a convicted criminal and I didn't recall anyone saying the man was "evil".

Do you think Comodi not having a criminal record makes it ok to have convicted criminals as prosecutors? That seems to be what you're implying. Maybe I'm mistaken?

What has Mignini been convicted of? I thought he won his appeal?

That is not at all what I am implying.