Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

[sherlockh]

Why not use John Kercher's book when making claims about what they did in Perugia? He says quite clearly what they did and when.

Does he clearly say that none of them attended the vigil? I must admit that I can't totally understand what this discussion is all about. I just remembered that Knox herself had stated that they were there, attending the vigil. That there are different media stating different things happens all the time unfortunately.

They arrived on the 5th and left on the 6th. Her father left the note on the 6th (according to the link below) but that does not mean that they did not attend on the 5th. Or maybe her father did not attend and the other family members did, or whatever you want to make of it. I have no idea why it must be denied that they did not attend her memorial. They have her memorial every day.

http://metro.co.uk/2007/11/07/meredith-flatmate-heard-screaming-471270/

 

[aa9511]

Again, this points to her guilt how? The guilt of being involved in killing Meredith of course. And if she saw the window during her first visit but didn't call police what exactly does that prove?

So if we find out sometime later, down the line, that Amanda actually lied about Meredith's door being locked, and was able to open it on her shower trip and saw Meredith's dead body................what exactly does that prove? It doesn't prove that she killed her, does it?

I see that nothing short of a video of the actual killing amounts to any proof or even evidence on here.

 

[redheadedgal]

The article clearly states that the Kerchers arrived "yesterday" and that "last night" there was a memorial vigil at the university.

yes, another memorial WAS held @ the uni of leeds, which is not in perugia (or italy for that matter)

Last night a memorial vigil was held at Leeds University, where Miss Kercher was due to complete her European studies degree after a year in Perugia.

 

[aa9511]

What all was tested in Filomena's room? Did the investigators dust the window sill for prints? Or did they decide that since it appeared to be a staged scene that no dusting was needed? The footprint on the bathmat has not been conclusively determined to belong or not belong to RG.

We could make the same argument for Meredith's room. Did they pick up every single drop of blood and every single speck of DNA in that room and test it? If not, they could have missed DNA and/or blood from Amanda and Raffaele.

 

[aa9511]

Not all of us discount the British girls testimony.

Can we refrain from referring to them as "British virgins" and "virginal islanders", comes across as a sort of unnecessary name calling IMO.

They are after all only witnesses in the case.

Yes, I agree, and using those names has the subconscious effect of putting in the readers' mind that their testimony is automatically irrelevant, instead of letting each person decide on their own what to make of the testimony. I don't see how that can be good for any of us.

 

[aa9511]

I'm confused. The memorial was the 5th. This article was written the 8th and says that the Kercher's arrived "yesterday" which would have been the 7th.

I don't really understand the deal with this issue in the first place? I mean, is it to question the Kercher family's love for their own daughter/sister? What is the big deal what day they came, does that mean they don't love their daughter? Did someone bring this up to suggest that maybe one of her family members had something to do with the murder? Oh look, they were or were not there that exact minute when the article states, uh oh, something nefarious going on.....I don't get it. What is the point of all of this?

 

[redheadedgal]

Does he clearly say that none of them attended the vigil? I must admit that I can't totally understand what this discussion is all about. I just remembered that Knox herself had stated that they were there, attending the vigil. That there are different media stating different things happens all the time unfortunately.

They arrived on the 5th and left on the 6th. Her father left the note on the 6th (according to the link below) but that does not mean that they did not attend on the 5th. Or maybe her father did not attend and the other family members did, or whatever you want to make of it. I have no idea why it must be denied that they did not attend her memorial. They have her memorial every day.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/judge-considers-ruling-on-meredith-suspects-519421

one must read carefully as this article also mentions both memorials -- the one in perugia where Mr K left a note and the one in leeds, uk.

 

[aa9511]

Sure. I believe that candles, flowers etc where left at the site where the memorial was held and her family visited the site. Only thing that makes sense since they didn't arrive in Perugia until the 6th

Oh, so even the family is now relegated to the "other side," presumably because they are against Amanda and Raffaele, just like the prosecutors, witnesses, judges, media, online posters, etc.?

 

[redheadedgal]

I don't really understand the deal with this issue in the first place? I mean, is it to question the Kercher family's love for their own daughter/sister? What is the big deal what day they came, does that mean they don't love their daughter? Did someone bring this up to suggest that maybe one of her family members had something to do with the murder? Oh look, they were or were not there that exact minute when the article states, uh oh, something nefarious going on.....I don't get it. What is the point of all of this?

we are trying to get to the truth... but maybe ask the poster who keeps using their lack of attendance at the memorial to further assassinate the character of AK and RS, and then involved MK's family (and erroneous information) and is now trying to change the meaning of his original remarks* about it all.

*these original remarks were posted by myself in a post just upthread

 

[sherlockh]

one must read carefully as this article also mentions both memorials -- the one in perugia where Mr K left a note and the one in leeds, uk.

Sorry, I gave the wrong link. I updated the comment with the right link.
http://metro.co.uk/2007/11/07/meredith-flatmate-heard-screaming-471270/

Also at this link it says their first statement was made on November 6th. They arrived the night before.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2008/12/30/memories-of-meredith-kercher/

 

[redheadedgal]

Sorry, I gave the wrong link. I updated the comment with the right link.
http://metro.co.uk/2007/11/07/meredith-flatmate-heard-screaming-471270/

Also at this link it says their first statement was made on November 6th. They arrived the night before.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2008/12/30/memories-of-meredith-kercher/

dempsey must've realized her mistake in the article above b/c in her book she talks about the K's arriving on the 6th, going to the morgue, attending the catherdral, the note etc.

pp. 164-165: Murder in Italy: Amanda Knox, Meredith Kercher, and the Murder Trial that Shocked the World: Candace Dempsey: 9780425230831: Books - Amazon.ca

 

[aa9511]

Perhaps a better worded question would help me to understand the question. The article is apparently contradicting itself. It was argued before that the Kercher family did in fact attend the memorial that AK and RS did not, along with friends of Meredith's. It was also argued that since AK and RS did not attend that it pointed towards their guilt.

The article that has been linked to states that AK and RS were in custody "yesterday" and that the Kercher family arrived last night or yesterday. The way the article is worded then it means that the Kercher family arrived on November 6th.

Ok, I think I get what you mean. One thing is, though, I know from my own experience, that UK daily mail is very confusing when they update articles, and they don't seem to have any sort of editing team or they don't even sometimes spell-check their articles!! Sometimes even the titles have spelling mistakes!! Sometimes the captions are totally misleading. Sometimes the get even the name of the people completely wrong!!!!

I think what they do is, they literally go in and put the cursor underneath the original article, and then they type up whatever "new" information they want to add. And then don't say, this is the original article, and this is the UPDATE. That is, they just lump it all together, so no one knows what is original and what was added later.

I have seen this with my own eyes on Uk Daily Mail, when I read some articles and it doesn't make sense, then I go back and see what they did.

Or they will have two articles....one is the original, and the other is the original + the updated information, and they have both articles posted on their website, so you can clearly see what they do.

So I really don't get what the big deal on all of this is.

And I hardly think that a website who doesn't even spell-check or do basic editing on their articles, can withstand such a detailed dissection of their articles!! And that that dissection actually means anything, since as we see, they don't really care about accuracy themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[aa9511]

It becomes very annoying to have to replay over and over what one has posted about a memorial service and when that is proven wrong then one is intent on making the issue about lack of support to the victim's family. Again, the fact that AK and RS did not attend the memorial service is being used against them as something evil and sinister. Yet proof has been presented now that Meredith's family also did not attend the memorial service.

No, there is no proof that has been presented. As I said in my last post, a UK Daily Mail cannot be dissected on the dates seeing as they don't even care 95% of the time about the accuracy of the content within their own articles!

 

[MichaelSmith]

From John Kerchers book. They arrived during the daytime not night time.

I flew with Arline and Stephanie to Florence, to meet with members of the British Consulate.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (p. 15). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

From Florence, we had a high-speed, two-hour drive to Perugia.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (p. 16). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

We rendezvoused with the Italian police at a roundabout, and they gave us an escort to the morgue.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (p. 18). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

From the morgue, we were driven to be interviewed by the lead prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini. He was serious about obtaining information on Meredith, and wanted to know in particular what she had told us of her housemate Amanda Knox.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (p. 20). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

Once we were finished, we went to our hotel for the first time, a large building with a balcony overlooking the surrounding countryside and the hills dotted with houses. Knowing, from what we had been told by the consulate, that we had to deliver a statement to a press conference later that evening, we were wary.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (p. 21). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

Later that evening, we were led downstairs into a small room adjacent to a conference room, where we were introduced to the mayor of Perugia, the head of the University for Foreigners, and the British ambassador to Rome.

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (p. 22). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

When the press conference was completed, we were exhausted from the travelling and the meetings, and the strain of talking and listening through our grief. A quiet dinner had been arranged for us in a private room, a refuge from the frantic activity. We ate with two members of the British Consulate and the British ambassador and in honour of Meredith,

Kercher, John (2012-04-26). Meredith: Our daughter's murder and the heartbreaking quest for the truth (pp. 23-24). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

 

[redheadedgal]

for the record: dempsey states that none of the cottage flatmates attended the memorial... p. 136

 

[aa9511]

Why not use John Kercher's book when making claims about what they did in Perugia? He says quite clearly what they did and when.

So if this is Amanda vs. John Kercher, I give up right now. How someone can even put them on the same level in this case is, IMO, ridiculous!!!

 

[aa9511]

this article states they arrived "yesterday" ... and since the the article was written on the 8th, "yesterday" would've been the 7th. so, her family arrived a few days AFTER the event took place and attended the site then, not on the 5th, the day OF the memorial. quite different from "(they) attended that memorial" -- which would imply being present WHEN the memorial was actually occurring -- on the 5th.

No matter what the date was, which I am still confused about, does no one think about that her family was coming from England, they had arrangements to make, had to get there, etc.. Even if, which I do not know up from down anymore in this case, but even if they were not there, it would have had to do with the fact that they were coming from someplace else. What was Amanda and RS's excuse? They were already there. In the link Otto posted, it said 100 people were there. Ok, if one wants to argue, maybe 100 is wrong, maybe it was 75, or even 50. Ok, ok. Since nothing goes undisputed on this thread . So I've cut down the article's number by 1/2 to account for any "discrepency" in their reporting. Amanda and RS were not flying out to America, they were in town, they were right there, and apparently 50 or so other students went to the memorial, or whatever it was. Apparently even the fact that there was a memorial is in dispute here. Anyway, so what was their excuse??

 

[aa9511]

yes, another memorial WAS held @ the uni of leeds, which is not in perugia (or italy for that matter)

Could they not have had memorials in the two different locations? Seeing as both were connected to Meredith?

 

[MichaelSmith]

No matter what the date was, which I am still confused about, does no one think about that her family was coming from England, they had arrangements to make, had to get there, etc.. Even if, which I do not know up from down anymore in this case, but even if they were not there, it would have had to do with the fact that they were coming from someplace else. What was Amanda and RS's excuse? They were already there. In the link Otto posted, it said 100 people were there. Ok, if one wants to argue, maybe 100 is wrong, maybe it was 75, or even 50. Ok, ok. Since nothing goes undisputed on this thread . So I've cut down the article's number by 1/2 to account for any "discrepency" in their reporting. Amanda and RS were not flying out to America, they were in town, they were right there, and apparently 50 or so other students went to the memorial, or whatever it was. Apparently even the fact that there was a memorial is in dispute here. Anyway, so what was their excuse??

I've always seen the non-attendance at the memorial as just another beat up. A very lame one too.

Filomena and Laura didn't go, none of Meredith's other friends went and one of them admitted in the Times of London she stumbled upon it by accident and left immediately feeling uncomfortable.

You'd think Meredith was Amanda's wife, lover, child or sister the way such a big deal is made about it. JMO

Amanda says in her book Raffaele had made plans with friends for the evening and that's why they didn't attend.

 

[redheadedgal]

No matter what the date was, which I am still confused about, does no one think about that her family was coming from England, they had arrangements to make, had to get there, etc.. Even if, which I do not know up from down anymore in this case, but even if they were not there, it would have had to do with the fact that they were coming from someplace else. What was Amanda and RS's excuse? They were already there. In the link Otto posted, it said 100 people were there. Ok, if one wants to argue, maybe 100 is wrong, maybe it was 75, or even 50. Ok, ok. Since nothing goes undisputed on this thread . So I've cut down the article's number by 1/2 to account for any "discrepency" in their reporting. Amanda and RS were not flying out to America, they were in town, they were right there, and apparently 50 or so other students went to the memorial, or whatever it was. Apparently even the fact that there was a memorial is in dispute here. Anyway, so what was their excuse??

erroneous posts and links have totally confused the issue... first a poster claimed the fam was at the memorial but they weren't. then the poster posted about the day they did visit the church (the next day) and tried to say "see they did attend -- i told the truth". but, the two are not the same. in a link provided earlier, amanda said she didn't attend b/c it was last minute when she found out about it. the 100 people was again, wrong. it was a stat for the memorial in leeds, uk at the uni of leeds. and no one is blaming the K family in any way for not attending.