Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

[aa9511]

we are trying to get to the truth... but maybe ask the poster who keeps using their lack of attendance at the memorial to further assassinate the character of AK and RS, and then involved MK's family (and erroneous information) and is now trying to change the meaning of his original remarks* about it all.

*these original remarks were posted by myself in a post just upthread

I see now after reading through the posts upthread.

I get what point you all are trying to make, but I just don't think it's going about it in the right way.

See, I mean, obviously, they're not equal in any way...Meredith's family, and Amanda and Raffaele.

What the arguments upthread were, trying to use the Kerchers to negate Otto's statement, when actually what the Kerchers do cannot be placed on the same playing field as Amanda/RS.

That's why I just don't get all of this. Because the comparisons being made aren't conveying the point you all want to get across.

It would make more sense to compare it with Filomena, Laura. But I have read they were going back to England, so that's not really comparable, either, b/c that would make them physically unable to attend, while Amanda and RS were already there in Perugia, so what's their excuse?

 

[aa9511]

for the record: dempsey states that none of the cottage flatmates attended the memorial... p. 136

What are the reasons given for why the others didn't attend?

 

[redheadedgal]

"they were trying to stay away from the media, it was said, and wished to avoid any public spectacle"... p. 136

as i posted last thread, just imagine the circus the presence of AK and RS would've turned the somber event into...

 

[sherlockh]

"they were trying to stay away from the media, it was said, and wished to avoid any public spectacle"... p. 136

as i posted last thread, just imagine the circus the presence of AK and RS would've turned the somber event into...

That is disgusting. As if the memorial was about them. Why in the world would they think they would be attracting the attention and not Meredith at her own vigil?

 

[sherlockh]

I see now after reading through the posts upthread.

I get what point you all are trying to make, but I just don't think it's going about it in the right way.

See, I mean, obviously, they're not equal in any way...Meredith's family, and Amanda and Raffaele.

What the arguments upthread were, trying to use the Kerchers to negate Otto's statement, when actually what the Kerchers do cannot be placed on the same playing field as Amanda/RS.

That's why I just don't get all of this. Because the comparisons being made aren't conveying the point you all want to get across.

It would make more sense to compare it with Filomena, Laura. But I have read they were going back to England, so that's not really comparable, either, b/c that would make them physically unable to attend, while Amanda and RS were already there in Perugia, so what's their excuse?

Exactly. There is no comparison. It is up to them if and when they visit the memorials. Isn't this supposed to be a victim friendly forum?

 

[aa9511]

I've always seen the non-attendance at the memorial as just another beat up. A very lame one too.

Filomena and Laura didn't go, none of Meredith's other friends went and one of them admitted in the Times of London she stumbled upon it by accident and left immediately feeling uncomfortable.

You'd think Meredith was Amanda's wife, lover, child or sister the way such a big deal is made about it. JMO

Amanda says in her book Raffaele had made plans with friends for the evening and that's why they didn't attend.

Filomena and Laura didn't go b/c they were on the way to England, is that correct? How do we know that "none" of Meredith's other friends went?? I mean, obviously someone was at the memorial event. Were these all just random people? And Meredith must have had more than 3 friends.

If Amanda's excuse was that she was on a flight back to the States, I would take that because then she obviously couldn't be physically there. And Filomena/Laura were doing the same thing. I would have no qualms about that.

However, do you buy Amanda's word when she says they didn't go because they had made plans with friends for the evening? That doesn't make sense to me just on a human level. So your roomate/friend, even if it's not a close one, was brutally murdered, the girl you roomed with and shared a bathroom with and who slept in the next room to you, and you don't go because you have plans with "other friends?" That is not a proper excuse, IMO. Considering she was in Perugia, and her excuse for not going is essentially because she was busy with other friends.

I just want to bring this back to reality, so I'll just give a "real-world example." I don't know if you all keep up with the entertainment world, but you know Paul Walker, the actor, died in a car crash. On the site of the crash, fans have come and put flowers, etc.. Anyway, I saw the other day they had a picture of his co-star Tyrese Gibson (I think that's his name), he had come to the site to pay his respects, and he gave a little speech and said how sad he was and how much it hurt him to lose his friend. So I thought that was really sweet, and to me it showed some character and that he genuinely felt sad for losing a friend. Because he could have easily just "tweeted" something out, some standard line, but the real test, to me, was whether or not someone of his actor friends actually took the time out of their day to go to the site. And I know Tyrese did and I know his other co-star Vin Diesel did, and I don't know who else, but that, to me, shows some character on their part. That they weren't just "faking it" when they send out tweets, but actually supported that by personally showing up, which means a lot more than taking 10-seconds to type something up which takes no effort at all. The actual action of what they did spoke a lot louder to me than the words they said.

It's the same situation with Amanda.

She could have shown some character by showing up, when she did not have a reasonable, viable, excuse not to show up. But she didn't.

I'm not saying that makes her guilty. I'm not saying that makes her a liar. I'm not saying any of those things. What it does show me is something about her character.

 

[aa9511]

erroneous posts and links have totally confused the issue... first a poster claimed the fam was at the memorial but they weren't. then the poster posted about the day they did visit the church (the next day) and tried to say "see they did attend -- i told the truth". but, the two are not the same. in a link provided earlier, amanda said she didn't attend b/c it was last minute when she found out about it. the 100 people was again, wrong. it was a stat for the memorial in leeds, uk at the uni of leeds. and no one is blaming the K family in any way for not attending.

bbm

Ok, but because there were 100 people at uni of leeds, that doesn't mean there was no memorial for Meredith in Perugia. And obviously, some people attended each memorial.

So is it Amanda didn't attend b/c she found out about it last minute, or is it Amanda didn't attend b/c she had plans with friends? Once again, contradictory statements.

Neither of which are any justifiable excuse.

She found out about it last minute? What, did she have to make transportation arrangements? Did she have to "get fixed up" to go?

What would finding out "last minute" have anything to do with why she didn't go?

Did the "last minute" affect her "plans with her friends"? If so, that would be combining two pathetic excuses into one giant pathetic excuse.

 

[redheadedgal]

That is disgusting. As if the memorial was about them. Why in the world would they think they would be attracting the attention and not Meredith at her own vigil?

if CD is correct, i believe this pertained to FR and LM too (if it included AK).

i don't find the reasoning disgusting at all. with media and inquisitve reporters all around who would want "the scoop", would one want to be the cause of potentially disrupting such an event (being the roommate of the victim) ?

 

[aa9511]

]"they were trying to stay away from the media, it was said, and wished to avoid any public spectacle"... p. 136[/B]

as i posted last thread, just imagine the circus the presence of AK and RS would've turned the somber event into...

Yeah, that's kind of a sorry excuse for all of them. They could have just gone for a few minutes and then left (I mean all who were in Perugia at the time, not just Amanda and RS).

It's kind of hard when we don't know exactly who of her friends went and who didn't go. I'm sure she had a lot of friends that did go.

 

[aa9511]

That is disgusting. As if the memorial was about them. Why in the world would they think they would be attracting the attention and not Meredith at her own vigil?

ITA. Lame excuse, whoever used it.

 

[redheadedgal]

which post used the K's to negate a statement? which post victimized the family?

 

[aa9511]

Exactly. There is no comparison. It is up to them if and when they visit the memorials. Isn't this supposed to be a victim friendly forum?

Yes, and in this case especially, because there is no chance whatsoever that any family member is involved. So I didn't get it, either.

 

[MichaelSmith]

Filomena and Laura didn't go b/c they were on the way to England, is that correct? How do we know that "none" of Meredith's other friends went?? I mean, obviously someone was at the memorial event. Were these all just random people? And Meredith must have had more than 3 friends.

If Amanda's excuse was that she was on a flight back to the States, I would take that because then she obviously couldn't be physically there. And Filomena/Laura were doing the same thing. I would have no qualms about that.

However, do you buy Amanda's word when she says they didn't go because they had made plans with friends for the evening? That doesn't make sense to me just on a human level. So your roomate/friend, even if it's not a close one, was brutally murdered, the girl you roomed with and shared a bathroom with and who slept in the next room to you, and you don't go because you have plans with "other friends?" That is not a proper excuse, IMO. Considering she was in Perugia, and her excuse for not going is essentially because she was busy with other friends.

I just want to bring this back to reality, so I'll just give a "real-world example." I don't know if you all keep up with the entertainment world, but you know Paul Walker, the actor, died in a car crash. On the site of the crash, fans have come and put flowers, etc.. Anyway, I saw the other day they had a picture of his co-star Tyrese Gibson (I think that's his name), he had come to the site to pay his respects, and he gave a little speech and said how sad he was and how much it hurt him to lose his friend. So I thought that was really sweet, and to me it showed some character and that he genuinely felt sad for losing a friend. Because he could have easily just "tweeted" something out, some standard line, but the real test, to me, was whether or not someone of his actor friends actually took the time out of their day to go to the site. And I know Tyrese did and I know his other co-star Vin Diesel did, and I don't know who else, but that, to me, shows some character on their part. That they weren't just "faking it" when they send out tweets, but actually supported that by personally showing up, which means a lot more than taking 10-seconds to type something up which takes no effort at all. The actual action of what they did spoke a lot louder to me than the words they said.

It's the same situation with Amanda.

She could have shown some character by showing up, when she did not have a reasonable, viable, excuse not to show up. But she didn't.

I'm not saying that makes her guilty. I'm not saying that makes her a liar. I'm not saying any of those things. What it does show me is something about her character.

Where is this Laura and Filomena were on there way to England coming from? They were Italians who lived and worked in Perugia.

Who says you have to go to these memorial things and stand around holding candles with a bunch of strangers? It's all a bit creepy imo but each to their own. None of Meredith's British friends went and one left immediately saying she felt uncomfortable which is probably how I'd feel.

 

[aa9511]

if CD is correct, i believe this pertained to FR and LM too (if it included AK).

i don't find the reasoning disgusting at all. with media and inquisitve reporters all around who would want "the scoop", would one want to be the cause of potentially disrupting such an event (being the roommate of the victim) ?

Could have shown up for 5 minutes and left, just to pay their respects. Would have been better than what apparently many did, which is not show up at all.

 

[Tugela]

Oh, so even the family is now relegated to the "other side," presumably because they are against Amanda and Raffaele, just like the prosecutors, witnesses, judges, media, online posters, etc.?

I don't believe that Amanda and Raffaele are putting them on "the other side". The family is doing that themselves. AK and RS understand their feelings, but are not responsible for what happened to their daughter. RG is solely to blame for that.

The problem is that the family has bought into the prosecution's theory and in their grief have cast the blame where ever fingers have been pointed. But that does not mean that AK and RS have to fall on the sword just because the family is grieving, they are just as much victims of RG as MK was, but in a different way.

 

[aa9511]

which post used the K's to negate a statement? which post victimized the family?

All the posts trying to prove that the Kerchers' didn't go to the memorial service, negating the statement suggesting Meredith's friends and family attended the memorial and Amanda and RS didn't. The bolded statement which suggests that they didn't really care all that much about Meredith and/or were more interested in themselves than giving thought to a friend who had just died a sudden, tragic, unexpected death. So Kercher family attendance ---> negates: they didn't really care all that much about Meredith and/or were more interested in themselves than giving thought to a friend who had just died a sudden, tragic, unexpected death.

 

[sherlockh]

if CD is correct, i believe this pertained to FR and LM too (if it included AK).

i don't find the reasoning disgusting at all. with media and inquisitve reporters all around who would want "the scoop", would one want to be the cause of potentially disrupting such an event (being the roommate of the victim) ?

CD made that claim because there were no photographs of Filomena and Laura at the vigil. That is all. It doesn't mean they weren't there. I have never read any other information about that.

I have been to memorials and funerals and nobody ever attracts the attention except for the deceased. Knox's excuse is ridiculous IMO. Especially considering her latest interviews where she states she wants to visit Meredith's grave.

Either way, I apologize for attributing to the discussion about the arrival time of the Kercher family. That was clearly a mistake. Whether they arrived on the 5th or the 6th. In the afternoon or evening. If they attended the memorial on the 5th and/or on the 6th. That should never have been questioned.

 

[aa9511]

Where is this Laura and Filomena were on there way to England coming from? They were Italians who lived and worked in Perugia.

Who says you have to go to these memorial things and stand around holding candles with a bunch of strangers? It's all a bit creepy imo but each to their own. None of Meredith's British friends went and one left immediately saying she felt uncomfortable which is probably how I'd feel.

Ok, although I find it odd that complete strangers would be willing to do that but not friends? Wouldn't complete strangers also find it "creepy?"

Ok, I'm not sure I kept hearing Filomena and Laura were "on their way" somewhere? That's why I was asking you.

So does it say anywhere what was Filomena and Laura's excuse then?

 

[aa9511]

I don't believe that Amanda and Raffaele are putting them on "the other side". The family is doing that themselves. AK and RS understand their feelings, but are not responsible for what happened to their daughter. RG is solely to blame for that.

The problem is that the family has bought into the prosecution's theory and in their grief have cast the blame where ever fingers have been pointed. But that does not mean that AK and RS have to fall on the sword just because the family is grieving, they are just as much victims of RG as MK was, but in a different way.

No, I was talking about on here, the way the arguments were being presented.

 

[Tugela]

Where is this Laura and Filomena were on there way to England coming from? They were Italians who lived and worked in Perugia.

Who says you have to go to these memorial things and stand around holding candles with a bunch of strangers? It's all a bit creepy imo but each to their own. None of Meredith's British friends went and one left immediately saying she felt uncomfortable which is probably how I'd feel.

There is no reason why all these people should have gone to the memorial. The people in the house were just room mates who had not known her all that long and probably did not socialize other than on a few incidental occasions, it is not as though they were childhood friends or family.

And I suspect that the "British friends" were more like people who were acquaintances and classmates who happened to be British as well than real friends. Most of these people probably did not really know her all that well.

What I would consider strange is when people who don't even know the deceased go to a memorial. What exactly are they gathering to remember? A news report?