Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

[aa9511]

CD made that claim because there were no photographs of Filomena and Laura at the vigil. That is all. It doesn't mean they weren't there. I have never read any other information about that.

I have been to memorials and funerals and nobody ever attracts the attention except for the deceased. Knox's excuse is ridiculous IMO. Especially considering her latest interviews where she states she wants to visit Meredith's grave.

Either way, I apologize for attributing to the discussion about the arrival time of the Kercher family. That was clearly a mistake. Whether they arrived on the 5th or the 6th. In the afternoon or evening. If they attended the memorial on the 5th and/or on the 6th. That should never have been questioned.

Yes, because the implication of all that was, IMO - see, the Kercher family didn't even show up to the memorial, so what difference does it make whether Amanda and RS did or didn't?

While leaving out important details, such as what could have been the reason the Kerchers couldn't make it, if they really didn't? Could it have been, the earliest flight they could catch didn't get them to Perugia on time for them to make it? Compare that to Amanda's 2 listed reasons, posted upthread: Either she was essentially hanging out with other friends, or she found out "last minute" and so couldn't change her already-set plans.

There is no comparison.

I understand the point trying to be made. But the logic of the comparison is escaping me.

 

[aa9511]

There is no reason why all these people should have gone to the memorial. The people in the house were just room mates who had not known her all that long and probably did not socialize other than on a few incidental occasions, it is not as though they were childhood friends or family.

And I suspect that the "British friends" were more like people who were acquaintances and classmates who happened to be British as well than real friends. Most of these people probably did not really know her all that well.

What I would consider strange is when people who don't even know the deceased go to a memorial. What exactly are they gathering to remember? A news report?

While you find it strange, apparently "strangers" did go, at the Uni of Leeds, and in Perugia. So now does that make sense, that strangers would go, but not people who knew her? The strangers found it in their hearts somewhere to take the time and go there, but her roomates couldn't?

 

[aa9511]

I see now that even the memorial-going crazy strangers are somehow "out to get" Amanda, by showing something in their hearts which led them go, which points out the disparity between them going and Amanda, who actually knew her, not going.

So therefore, now all the memorial-goers both at the Uni of Leeds and in Perugia are lumped with the prosecutors, the witnesses, the British Virgins, the lab technicians, "international DNA conspiracy," the judges, the Kerchers, and all others conpsiring in the "out to get Amanda" campaign.

 

[redheadedgal]

Yes, because the implication of all that was, IMO - see, the Kercher family didn't even show up to the memorial, so what difference does it make whether Amanda and RS did or didn't?

i think the comments are being misunderstood if this is believed... someone posted the fam did attend (the live event). we just wanted to correct the mistake. that is all.

no one blamed the K's from what i read.

 

[redheadedgal]

CD made that claim because there were no photographs of Filomena and Laura at the vigil. That is all. It doesn't mean they weren't there.

i read it the other way.

one more piece of information we (general -- posters) can't seem to agree on...


good night all.

 

[SMK]

In Appeal court today, Maresca is giving his arguments and Defense will follow.

From Andrea Vogt's tweets on twitter:

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 2h
@wileypost1 Right now lawyers for the civil parties (specifically Kercher family) giving closing args. Defense is to folo.

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 2h
Maresca: "While we're here in trial, Sollecito in Santo Domingo & Knox in US taking online donations for victim she's accused of killing."

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 2h
Kercher attny Serena Perna: Meredith's many wounds in many places (from bare hands,from knife, yet not defensive) = multiple attackers.

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 3h
Kercher attny: Motive, or lack thereof, is absolutely irrelevant.1000 different problems could have led to fatal escalation of violence.

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 3h
In Florence, Kercher family attny urges jury in #amandaknox appeal to "judge not with your hearts, but with your head, using logic."

https://twitter.com/andreavogt

La Nazione also reports that Maresca called for a stop to all the talk about contaminated evidence. Says to appeal court that the footprint on the bath mat is Sollecito's and the DNA on Meredith's bra clasp is Sollecito's.

Meredith process, the lawyer Maresca: "I am sure of the guilt of Amanda and Raffaele." The attorney Fabiani: "Fury unleashed murderous excitement"

The office of the victim's family keeps his harangue with the other defendants to the plaintiff: "The judgment of acquittal on appeal is a rundown shack burned to the ground by the Supreme Court." The announcement: "The family of Meredith will be in Florence for the judgment"
by Roberto Davide Papini

Florence, December 16, 2013 - It 'taken in the Palace of Justice in Florence the appeal process-bis for the death of Meredith Kercher , the British girl murdered on the night of November 1, 2007 in Perugia. . . .

In the hearing today is up to the lawyers of the victim's family, starting Advocate Vieri Fabiani , while the intervention is most awaited lawyer Francesca Maresca. Arriving in the classroom, Maresca reiterated his conviction: "I am sure of guilt of the two defendants " .

Fabiani has stressed that it was "proven the presence of the accused at the scene," he argued that the lack of motive is irrelevant, because "the intake of drugs and the excitement of the moment unleashed the murderous insanity of the accused persons that in those conditions have a very high criminal capacity. " Fabiani said that Amanda Knox has reconstructed details of the crime, because she was present. Also for the civil party lawyer intervened Serena Perna who insisted on so many injuries on the body of the victim, "and portatate with many different mediums, with two knives and bare hands, this shows that the murderess can not be only one" .

Maresca harshly attacked the ruling on appeal in Perugia (which acquitted the defendants), calling it "a rundown shack burned to the ground by the Supreme Court," arguing that the alibis of the accused "are all false and failed" in his polemic against journalists and pundits "who express ratings on TV without having read the court papers "and the thesis defenses argue that contamination of scientific findings. "It 's time to say enough of this history of contamination," said the lawyer for the plaintiff.

http://www.lanazione.it/firenze/cronaca/2013/12/16/997497-sollecito-meredith-processo.shtml#1

 

[Sigh Sister]

Oh, so even the family is now relegated to the "other side," presumably because they are against Amanda and Raffaele, just like the prosecutors, witnesses, judges, media, online posters, etc.?

No. That is not what I said or implied.

 

[Monzoo]

Yes, because the implication of all that was, IMO - see, the Kercher family didn't even show up to the memorial, so what difference does it make whether Amanda and RS did or didn't?

While leaving out important details, such as what could have been the reason the Kerchers couldn't make it, if they really didn't? Could it have been, the earliest flight they could catch didn't get them to Perugia on time for them to make it? Compare that to Amanda's 2 listed reasons, posted upthread: Either she was essentially hanging out with other friends, or she found out "last minute" and so couldn't change her already-set plans.

There is no comparison.

I understand the point trying to be made. But the logic of the comparison is escaping me.

I am I afraid that I started the pages and pages of the discussion (sorry, mods!) by asking Otto to back up his statement that the memorial -- perhaps more properly termed a vigil -- in Perugia on the 5 of November, 2007 was attended by all of Merredith's friends and family but not AK and RS.

I still have not seen anything that says any of them attended. It is my hope that the fact that AK and RS did not attend will no longer be used against them, since it seems that there is no one close to the case that did, in fact, attend.

 

[Harmony 2]

Please post in a respectful and civil manner.

Friendly reminder: only MSM tweets for court proceedings are allowed and a link must be provided.

 

[sherlockh]

<modsnip>

The case was being tried for a third time after Italy's highest court vacated an appellate court ruling throwing out their lower-court murder conviction.

Victim's lawyer seeks Knox conviction for murder

 

[aa9511]

i think the comments are being misunderstood if this is believed... someone posted the fam did attend (the live event). we just wanted to correct the mistake. that is all.
no one blamed the K's from what i read.

Ok, is that just a sleuther thing, then? Because what's the point, then? I saw in several posts, in response to "what's the point," they wrote to show that family and friends did not go to the memorial as suggested, so it wasn't odd or strange that Amanda and RS didn't go, because others didn't go as well.

If the whole point isn't to show that it wasn't odd that Amanda and RS didn't go (by pointing out that even the parents didn't attend the event), then what's the point of this whole discussion?

Just to point out a mistake/misunderstanding?

No, I believe the point was as I stated above, and what even other posters stated themselves as to the reason for this whole discussion.

 

[aa9511]

In Appeal court today, Maresca is giving his arguments and Defense will follow.

From Andrea Vogt's tweets on twitter:

La Nazione also reports that Maresca called for a stop to all the talk about contaminated evidence.

http://www.lanazione.it/firenze/cronaca/2013/12/16/997497-sollecito-meredith-processo.shtml#1

Thanks for that, SMK!

 

[SMK]

Thanks for that, SMK!

most welcome: The Defense is expected to begin after the break they are now on.

 

[aa9511]

I am I afraid that I started the pages and pages of the discussion (sorry, mods!) by asking Otto to back up his statement that the memorial -- perhaps more properly termed a vigil -- in Perugia on the 5 of November, 2007 was attended by all of Merredith's friends and family but not AK and RS.

I still have not seen anything that says any of them attended. It is my hope that the fact that AK and RS did not attend will no longer be used against them, since it seems that there is no one close to the case that did, in fact, attend.

Don't be sorry -- we enjoy "talking" for pages and pages

 

[Chris_Halkides]

One, the issue of whether or not the Kercher family attended is a simple question of fact, as far as I am concerned. There are a minimum of two sources which say that they arrived on the 6th, which means that they could not have attended the vigil. I draw no inference whatsoever about the date of their arrival.

Two and speaking for no one but myself, I would not have felt comfortable at the vigil. I would prefer to pay my respects at a visitation, a funeral, or a memorial service. In addition, questions of whether or not Amanda or anyone else should have gone are irrelevant to the case. Strictly MOO.

 

[sherlockh]

most welcome: The Defense is expected to begin after the break they are now on.

That will be tomorrow

 

[SMK]

That will be tomorrow

Oh, no. And that will probably mean delays and overtime next month.

So defense summations begin tomorrow, 9:30 am Florence time.
Then July 9, 10 finish 2 defense summations and prosecution rebuttals.
Hopefully, the deliberations will still begin Jan 15.

 

[SMK]

I was surprised that Francesco Maresca went outside of the evidence of guilt in the crime, to what the 2 defendants are doing now in their lives.

As others wondered in various postings elsewhere today, I also wondered what the 6 lay judges might think of this:

Whether they will be more ill-disposed toward the 2 defendants, or whether they will be "put off" and believe Maresca is being petty, or vengeful, or trying to prejudice them (thereby backfiring and making them more open to the defense).

I think Fabiani 's argument about drug and alcohol use allowing an altercation to escalate, and arguing proof of presence and criminal intent at the cottage Nov 1 is more in keeping with what will be the determining factors of upheld convictions versus acquittal.

On the other hand, the judges may find this relevant, and it may flesh-out a picture for them of the power that the defendants have on their side, and this may be counter-balanced by listening more to the prosecution. Just my reflections....

Any thoughts on this?

"She has become a well-known person. You know she signed contracts for millions of dollars for her book. She has someone who takes care of her public relations. She has a personal website where she invites people to collect donations in the memory of the victim, Meredith Kercher, which is an unbearable contradiction for the family," Mr Maresca said.

He said the world's attention has focused on Knox, while "the victim has fallen into total oblivion, to the immense pain of the Kercher family."

Knox is soliciting donations on her website for her defence as well as a separate, as yet-unspecified project in Ms Kercher's memory.

. . . Maresca also urged the court to disregard Sollecito's statement to the court last month professing his innocence, noting that he had "just returned from a vacation in Santo Domingo, where he is again in these days, as we are here hearing such an important trial against him."

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/dont-forget-kercher-appeal-told-29842532.html

 

[otto]

Victim's lawyer seeks Knox conviction for murder

This is nasty! Knox is solliciting funds for an unspecified project for Meredith? Unbelievable. The family has asked that they leave Meredith alone and stay away, but Knox obviously couldn't care less about Meredith and her family. Anything to make a buck, I suppose.

And the injuries ... who is going to sit still (not defend themselves) while someone inflicts injuries to their eyes!!!

"... lawyer ...denounced how the American was soliciting donations in Kercher's memory ... Knox is soliciting donations on her website for her defense as well as a separate, as yet-unspecified project in Kercher's memory."

"Maresca also argued that it would not have been possible for one person to inflict the kind of wounds that Kercher suffered: 43 in all, including three "devastating" cuts to the neck.

The other wounds were aimed at threatening the British student, and were found on her face, eyes, mouth, gums and teeth. He argued that two knives were used ... At the same time, Kercher had no defensive wounds ..."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/...wyer-seeks-knox-conviction.html#storylink=cpy

 

[SMK]

This is nasty! Knox is solliciting funds for an unspecified project for Meredith? Unbelievable. The family has asked that they leave Meredith alone and stay away, but Knox obviously couldn't care less about Meredith and her family. Anything to make a buck, I suppose.

And the injuries ... who is going to sit still (not defend themselves) while someone inflicts injuries to their eyes!!!

"... lawyer ...denounced how the American was soliciting donations in Kercher's memory ... Knox is soliciting donations on her website for her defense as well as a separate, as yet-unspecified project in Kercher's memory."

"Maresca also argued that it would not have been possible for one person to inflict the kind of wounds that Kercher suffered: 43 in all, including three "devastating" cuts to the neck.

The other wounds were aimed at threatening the British student, and were found on her face, eyes, mouth, gums and teeth. He argued that two knives were used ... At the same time, Kercher had no defensive wounds ..."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/...wyer-seeks-knox-conviction.html#storylink=cpy

I had never heard of the injuries to the eyes and gums, etc. Really horrible.