American made 737-800 disintegrated upon crashing Russia -62 dead

[CARIIS]

From Gregs link:

At 22.54, a Sukhoi Superjet from Moscow made the first of three attempts to land before diverting to Krasnodar half an hour later.

During the final approach the co-pilot told

The organisation warns: 'Flight into a Cb is highly dangerous. The only sensible defence against the hazards associated with a Cb is therefore to avoid flying into one in the first place

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So, intial reports that impact (from the animation) were correct - it crashed short of the runway -- the pictures from the runway are astounding in terms of impact --they are gonna have a hard time identifing people I fear,

Although they do not seem to panic at any point, their voices can be heard becoming more agitated as the plane descends to an altitude of around 2,000ft.

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controllers: 'In case of go-around we are going to go to flight level EIGHT ZERO,' meaning they would climb to 8,000 feet.

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[watcher9]

None of this makes sense-- they reported short of the runway. 300 meterrs.There are mp impact markings,just debris. The early reports of just short of the runway IMO have to be accurate.

If the picture you linked shows the runway, it looks like the plane came down beside it not at the end or did they crash before trying to cross the runway shown to get to another runway?

 

[Gigi-G]

If the picture you linked shows the runway, it looks like the plane came down beside it not at the end or did they crash before trying to cross the runway shown to get to another runway?

The plane when it crashed so states DM. Was some 800ft short of the runway.

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[Gigi-G]

The plane when it crashed so states DM. Was some 800ft short of the runway.

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It didn't state whether or not it was left or right of the runway at this time. I'm hoping we'll find out more from the black boxes .

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[Gigi-G]

It definitely looked like it was on fire before coming down.

From your link, it sounds like it was caused by the plane climbing up into the cumulonimbus clouds which could cause both a stall and a fire.

An international flight safety resource Skybrary, which is supported by the European Organisation for the Safety of Air Navigation warns pilots about entering cumulonimbus clouds, especially during take off and landing.


and

Cb systems can also cause in-flight icing which changes the aerodynamics of the aircraft and may cause it to stall.
The clouds can also cause electrical disturbance, creating St Elmo's Fire and effecting the aircraft's systems.


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All this and remembering too the windshear.

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[gregjrichards]

From Gregs link:

At 22.54, a Sukhoi Superjet from Moscow made the first of three attempts to land before diverting to Krasnodar half an hour later.

During the final approach the co-pilot told

The organisation warns: 'Flight into a Cb is highly dangerous. The only sensible defence against the hazards associated with a Cb is therefore to avoid flying into one in the first place

.
So, intial reports that impact (from the animation) were correct - it crashed short of the runway -- the pictures from the runway are astounding in terms of impact --they are gonna have a hard time identifing people I fear,

Although they do not seem to panic at any point, their voices can be heard becoming more agitated as the plane descends to an altitude of around 2,000ft.

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controllers: 'In case of go-around we are going to go to flight level EIGHT ZERO,' meaning they would climb to 8,000 feet.

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It's just a terrible set of circumstances the plane was in the wrong place at the wrong time and 62 families have lost their loved ones as a result.

Thanks to you and everyone for posting for the article I'm always conscious of the copyright rule here when posting articles so I can't post all the information I would like.

 

[kaen]

I am appalled that the airline is not doing more for families.



One of the victims was Valentyna Somina, 67, who was flying back to Ukraine after a week's holiday in Dubai.
A family member said: 'They have confirmed that she, and all the passengers, did pass away. They have said they will be getting back in touch with us.
‘They called three times to confirm her name but that’s it. They have just passed it to their managers and that’s it. They really haven’t got their priorities straight.
‘It’s a great loss for us and it doesn’t seem like they care.
‘It would be nice to go there and be there, which is what we’re going to do next. We have booked flights to Moscow. But it’s going to be another 24 hours or so until we can be at the site.





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[U2forever]

CARIIS, something is up with that plane because where is the plane? Most crashes I've seen involve there still being a plane, either whole or in big parts, not this baby, plane was chewed up and spit out all over.
This, like any plane crash is horrible and prayers for the passengers and family including crew, Godspeed.

I just woke up from a long nap and I'm real groggy and kind of spaced out till I get my bearings together.


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[ArianeEmory]

CARIIS, something is up with that plane because where is the plane? Most crashes I've seen involve there still being a plane, either whole or in big parts, not this baby, plane was chewed up and spit out all over.
This, like any plane crash is horrible and prayers for the passengers and family including crew, Godspeed.

I just woke up from a long nap and I'm real groggy and kind of spaced out till I get my bearings together.


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ValuJet 592. Even setting aside that it crashed in the Everglades, there wasn't much left to recover, it's not like they later found/raised pieces of the fuselage or anything, IIRC. It went down very suddenly and at a very bad angle, so tremendous force.

 

[gregjrichards]

I am appalled that the airline is not doing more for families.



One of the victims was Valentyna Somina, 67, who was flying back to Ukraine after a week's holiday in Dubai.
A family member said: 'They have confirmed that she, and all the passengers, did pass away. They have said they will be getting back in touch with us.
‘They called three times to confirm her name but that’s it. They have just passed it to their managers and that’s it. They really haven’t got their priorities straight.
‘It’s a great loss for us and it doesn’t seem like they care.
‘It would be nice to go there and be there, which is what we’re going to do next. We have booked flights to Moscow. But it’s going to be another 24 hours or so until we can be at the site.





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I agree it is shocking the airlines need to get there act together so that when tragedy does strike there is proper procedures in place on what should be done. I am very disappointed in how Malaysia Airlines MH370, Germanwings (the pilot that deliberately crashed the plane) and now FlyDubai have handled the crashes they have had. The victims families should absolutely be flown out to the crash site as soon as possible if they wish, proper compensation should be paid promptly and any counselling etc the families may wish is provided. It is morally wrong for these airlines to behave improperly in these tragic situations not to mention bad public relations.

 

[gregjrichards]

ValuJet 592. Even setting aside that it crashed in the Everglades, there wasn't much left to recover, it's not like they later found/raised pieces of the fuselage or anything, IIRC. It went down very suddenly and at a very bad angle, so tremendous force.

Yes it's quite complex it's a pressurised cabin and when it hits the ground with tremendous force it's like a bomb going off the plane is just obliterated into small pieces. I wondered myself how the plane could be in such small pieces you wouldn't even know it was a plane that had crashed if you came across the debri. All crashes are different because there are so many variables few crashes are the same. I feel so sorry for the people sorting through the debri trying to find remains it must be harrowing.

 

[CARIIS]

If the picture you linked shows the runway, it looks like the plane came down beside it not at the end or did they crash before trying to cross the runway shown to get to another runway?

As the story was breaking the described it as being 300 meters short of runway. So thats like three football fields!

When I saw that picture it blew my mind. I can not recall a crash with that kind of debris feild unless it came apart in flight.

And they have not said that yet, that is one heck of a disintegration,, the speeds must have been amazing. Stunning actually IMO!

I dont think they are goinna be able to identify people for a while. There are still people from Vakue Jet that have never been found - disintegrated,

There was a US Air 427was intense also-- and this is AFTER they picked up the pieces and tried to lay it out, whay a mess huh.

It resulted (with two other crashes) NTSB's longest crash to solve. It almost grounded all the 737;s across the globe. People started like asking is my flight a 737 - and changed flights!!

Three 37's had exactly the same thing happen to them so folks were thinking its a design flaw.

It was a "watershed" crash. THey result in serious lessons learned and changes. The L-1011 crash was a huge Watershed accident, it reulsted in massive changes in every airport in the country in terms of windshear. Starting to think they had the same thing, a stall cause a huge sheer pushed on the plane . The tail impacting first is huge. We will see.

Who knows it may have started the breakup sequence in air which might explain the de3bris feild, but visually it looks like the debris on the runaway was like tossed if that makes sense?

They have the recorders, so we will hopefully if they are not damaged a lot of intial answers pretty quick

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/r...light-427-20-years-later/stories/201409070272

...... exclamations of surprise and then horror, as their jetliner suddenly and inexplicably yawed to the left, rolled over and began to spiral downward. In 23 terrifying seconds, the 737 plummeted 6,000 feet and struck the ground at 300 mph into a ravine near the Green Garden Plaza in Hopewell, a few miles away from the airport.
The plane disintegrated on impact. In a flash, 132 lives were snuffed out.

The National Transportation Safety Board would not determine the cause of the crash until 4 1/​2 years later, making it the longest investigation in the history of the NTSB. T.......... raised questions about the safety of the most widely used airliner in the world.

 

[CARIIS]

I am appalled that the airline is not doing more for families.



One of the victims was Valentyna Somina, 67, who was flying back to Ukraine after a week's holiday in Dubai.
A family member said: 'They have confirmed that she, and all the passengers, did pass away. They have said they will be getting back in touch with us.
‘They called three times to confirm her name but that’s it. They have just passed it to their managers and that’s it. They really haven’t got their priorities straight.
‘It’s a great loss for us and it doesn’t seem like they care.
‘It would be nice to go there and be there, which is what we’re going to do next. We have booked flights to Moscow. But it’s going to be another 24 hours or so until we can be at the site.

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I am sorry to say that I think these folks are in for a long horrible experince... IMO....

 

[CARIIS]

CARIIS, something is up with that plane because where is the plane? Most crashes I've seen involve there still being a plane, either whole or in big parts, not this baby, plane was chewed up and spit out all over.
This, like any plane crash is horrible and prayers for the passengers and family including crew, Godspeed.

I just woke up from a long nap and I'm real groggy and kind of spaced out till I get my bearings together.


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Hi U2!! Can tell you are an aviation lover too~! Thisis Russia (!) they still deny they blew MH 317 out of the sky. Its a new aircraft! Not saying terrorism but ..................

 

[Ragamuffin]

I know nothing about air crash investigation, nor do I know anything about air craft accidents. What I do know, is that several Russian *accidents* with regard to aircraft were proved to be the actions of Chechen *Black Widow* suicide bombers. Not wanting to point fingers, I also acknowledge the idiot pilot who let his minor son take control and kill many, many, passengers.

I'm sorry, but I don't accept *bad weather* automatically. Soviet (Russian) pilots are incredibly well trained. They land in war zones all the time. I just don't buy weather in this crash. As with several others.

 

[CARIIS]

Yes it's quite complex it's a pressurised cabin and when it hits the ground with tremendous force it's like a bomb going off the plane is just obliterated into small pieces. I wondered myself how the plane could be in such small pieces you wouldn't even know it was a plane that had crashed if you came across the debri. All crashes are different because there are so many variables few crashes are the same. I feel so sorry for the people sorting through the debri trying to find remains it must be harrowing.

I will never forget in US 427 the resucers had to wear biohazard suits cause ...................

 

[CARIIS]

Could the tail clipping on the aborted landing attempt have caused the fire??

I dont think so IMo -- I think it would be hard for the plane to remain airborne that long if it lost its tail. THere is no control at all it ought to have then just crashed, I think

 

[CARIIS]

It is just a "weird" picture with what they are saying just dont know...bizaire............

Flydubai's first fatal incident in the seven-year history of the airline.

This is the first time I have heard this --After aborting its second approach, the aircraft climbed to 4,000 feet (1,200 m), then descended rapidly and crashed into the ground at a high speed.

If that is accurate there is no reason why they should not have headed for there alternate airport -- inexcuseable IMO. I wonder if he was based at that airport???

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/southern-russia-plane-crash-march-19-2016/

[h=2]officials in Rostov-on-Don had previously issued a weather warning for the area where flydubai flight 981 crashed, forecasting rain, sleet, and possible blizzard conditions with reduced visibility, NBC
[/h]

 

[CARIIS]

Anyone good with east west north south!!! Can you tell from this pic if the crash was feom the left or right of this pic above?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostov-on-Don_Airport

 

[CARIIS]

Ugh this thread is doing that 15 minute no edit option yuk!!

HA were all used to CNN getting everything wrong for a while, but where are we day two? How come they cant seem to clear up main impact area and then explain the mess on the runway. Point of impact is not that hard, nor is determing if parts stalrting falling off before final impact . In thinking about the poster that remeinded us that we are dealing with Russia .......