American made 737-800 disintegrated upon crashing Russia -62 dead

[skibaboo]

[video=twitter;711908324627914752]https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/711908324627914752[/video]

 

[KaaBoom]

I don't think this pilot was depressed, I think he was sloppy and in a hurry to get on to his next job. I think he was rushing to finish this flight because it was his last one with this airline, and I think he was careless. All the other pilots diverted to other airports when they saw how difficult it was to land there instead of hanging around in the air for two hours and trying again. Maybe they ran out of fuel.

I believe the decision to stay in a holding pattern or divert is normally made based on how much fuel the aircraft has. More then a few times I have been on planes that stayed in a holding pattern for more then two hours, and eventually landed with no problem. In bad weather I think it is not unusual to have dozens, maybe even hundreds of aircraft circling around an airport waiting for a chance to land. I see nothing careless about this pilots actions, unless he was short of fuel.

 

[skibaboo]

[video=twitter;712012114408431616]https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/712012114408431616[/video]

BREAKING New footage shows #FlyDubai #FZ981 Boeing 737 stalling before crash at Rostov airlive.net/flydubai/

 

[KaaBoom]

First time I have heard that they made it back up to 4000 feet during the attempted abort.
Same link

After the aborted landing, the aircraft increased its speed and within 43 seconds climbed to 3,975 ft. Then at 03:41:37 the altitude decreased to zero.

Source

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

Just saying...you can learn a lot from reading the thoughts of pilots as to possible causes, etc.

Also, i read that the initial B&W video was not from the airport but from a parking lot near the airport so that must be taken into account when making judgment calls about its validity, etc.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

I don't think this pilot was depressed, I think he was sloppy and in a hurry to get on to his next job. I think he was rushing to finish this flight because it was his last one with this airline, and I think he was careless. All the other pilots diverted to other airports when they saw how difficult it was to land there instead of hanging around in the air for two hours and trying again. Maybe they ran out of fuel.

...and I believe some of them tried three times before diverting. This was only his second try.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

I dont think they are hiding a debris feild! I think what they claim has happened does not add up with what they say.

If we go with no crater (rare) where if the burned out area from the massive exlosion?

Did they crash "on" the runway or are the reports that describe did not make the runway?

It is amazing they discovered the black boxes so quickly if the machine was in disintegration mode from thousands of feet above earth.

In air disintegration leaves as enormous debris feild for miles. Have we seen aerial footage of this wide debris area

This was found miles away from impact area

Pan Am 103 at Lockerbie was a totally different type of incident. That plane broke apart in midair at something like 30,000 feet (don't remember exact altitude). Different parts actually continued to glide forward before falling to earth possibly based on their weight (I'm not a physicist). The explosion onboard was very small, relatively speaking....just enough to compromise the structural integrity of the plane. I believe the only part that experienced a massive fire was the area where the wings hit the ground because of the fuel stored there. That is why the cockpit looks the way it does. This is from my recollection of books, etc. I've read. If I need links to this, let me know and I'll provide.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

This is Flight 93 from September 11th that crashed in Pennslyvania at a steep angle to the ground. This is what I would expect after seeing the video. There is more of a crater in this picture than what we have been able to see so far in the current crash but maybe that is because the FlyDubai plane hit the runway which was better able to withstand the blow than dirt as, I believe, Kaboom opined.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

Here's an interesting video.

[video=youtube;CRUVDZjBAAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRUVDZjBAAs[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

Ty Gigi. . I learn from your posts as well my dear.I was getting concerned I am posting too many in row! This editing cutoff is like a parking ticket !!

Are any of you finding it exaperating as well? what is the purpose, let us edit our posts!

Media where are you? Call em out on the questions we all have all "caught".

Noone likes being lied to. And you Mr Putin, (funny I just thought oh no the KGB is at my door !)

if your gonna do it at least make some common sense. Releasing black and white grainy video through trees in 2016- oh pls they prob dont even make b/w cameras anymore !!!!

It bugs me . Liars, but it becomes more confusing, it was not a russian airline so what is the reason you all are BSing the world.

If that stupid b/w nonsense was not relased we would be ttying to figure what happened, nothing more. IMO they should have let the world do that instead of treating us all like a bunch of morons with a story that makes no sense whatsoever.

You too Gigi keep posting !!! TY

 

[CARIIS]

Here's an interesting video.

[video=youtube;CRUVDZjBAAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRUVDZjBAAs[/video]

That was awesome TY! Being able to understand what they were saying was so improtant.

He had the localizer --gotta be windshear at the end- that is exactly what windshear does push you down pull you up and push you down again.

And he asked about windshear

felt sad when i heard his voice

 

[CARIIS]

...and I believe some of them tried three times before diverting. This was only his second try.

Yeh there was an Aerofloat that did three and diverted

and on that awesome ATC post they were very thorough and carefull -- made it sadder

 

[CARIIS]

Yes, and the greenery in the field is completely burned black in the impact zone. Which would be consistent with a large fiery explosion. Also it looks like most of the non-metal debris was also burned black.

Hi Kaa

LIve in sunshine!! The black on the runway looked like dirty snow no? It is all lined up, the explosion suppossedly from the b/w video looked "nuclear"!

I would think it would not be "even" and organized for like of a better word . There is motion in this IMO it is too pristine!!

It IMO is just not enough debris for main impact area - for what is the word -- scattered stuff from main site- that is what it looks like IMO the black is too "nice"

Gas tanks in both wings - why would it be on only on one side of runway??

look again- what do you

think?

 

[CARIIS]

What CARIIS and I are stating is that scrutinising many air line crash scenes. The more velocity and force that the plane came down..would of meant a decent sized crater. And debris scattered over a large area. The pictures the msm are releasing do not purport to me the actual 'crash site' the blackened earth. Just states something was burnt there. If aviation fuel went up. You'd see far more charring of the grass/vegetation. And very mangled/ melted tarmac/runway.
Just like earlier reports said the black boxes look to be in 'good shape'.
And now stating they are 'indecipherable' as they are built and housed in containers that can stand extremes of temperatures -50° to +2000° I posted up a couple of well known air crashes. Lockerbie and the M1 crash. Both 25 years at least ago. But NTA and NTSA. Both undertook together the tagging n bagging. Each site was scrupulously cleared. And not in just 24/36 hours either. Every bit was placed in an area where it would of been on the plane. It is an extensive job. Many many hours in the making.


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.............. are releasing do not purport to me the actual 'crash site' the blackened earth.

Yes that is what I have been trying to say- exactly - you did it much better than I have been able to

but then I go why not show that??

media would love the crater?

 

[CARIIS]

What CARIIS and I are stating is that scrutinising many air line crash scenes. The more velocity and force that the plane came down..would of meant a decent sized crater. And debris scattered over a large area. The pictures the msm are releasing do not purport to me the actual 'crash site' the blackened earth. Just states something was burnt there. If aviation fuel went up. You'd see far more charring of the grass/vegetation. And very mangled/ melted tarmac/runway.
Just like earlier reports said the black boxes look to be in 'good shape'.
And now stating they are 'indecipherable' as they are built and housed in containers that can stand extremes of temperatures -50° to +2000° I posted up a couple of well known air crashes. Lockerbie and the M1 crash. Both 25 years at least ago. But NTA and NTSA. Both undertook together the tagging n bagging. Each site was scrupulously cleared. And not in just 24/36 hours either. Every bit was placed in an area where it would of been on the plane. It is an extensive job. Many many hours in the making.


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Both were much bigger aircraft. This is "one" area of stuff they found it took ages!

24 hours total nonsense, if someone tried to do that in the USA they would be incarcarcerated!!! Its a crime!!

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engine impact Google images

 

[CARIIS]

Pretty amazing huh? This thing was on the bottom of the ocean!!

 

[CARIIS]

I believe the decision to stay in a holding pattern or divert is normally made based on how much fuel the aircraft has. More then a few times I have been on planes that stayed in a holding pattern for more then two hours, and eventually landed with no problem. In bad weather I think it is not unusual to have dozens, maybe even hundreds of aircraft circling around an airport waiting for a chance to land. I see nothing careless about this pilots actions, unless he was short of fuel.

ATTN frequent flyers!!

In the old days they just "topped her off".

Now forget it - fuel is heavy and lugging around all that impacts fuel burn.

Now days its calculated to death!! They do your flight - diversion airport distance - throw ya an extra gallon and your hopefully on your way !!!!!!!!!!!

I am wondering if the diversion airport was two hours away or so. In America IMO no plane would circle for two hours- costs way to much money!!

These days.........................

That struck me as it was breaking ...who holds for two hours......................noone!!

 

[CARIIS]

[video=twitter;712012114408431616]https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/712012114408431616[/video]

BREAKING New footage shows #FlyDubai #FZ981 Boeing 737 stalling before crash at Rostov airlive.net/flydubai/

Awesome thanx. From your post

if , following is true:

21/03/2016 16:53 Experts of Interstate Aviation Committee have copied all data from cockpit voice recorder successfully

we will know if she stalled likely ;if windshear that close to the ground

The Boeing 737-8KN (A6-FDN) had passed maintenance C check on 21 January 2016.

FRom skil post:

Thats pretty intense check! They go A B C D

A check[edit]

This is performed approximately every 400-600 flight hours or 200–300 cycles (takeoff and landing is considered an aircraft "cycle"), depending on aircraft type.[SUP][3][/SUP] It needs about 20–50 man-hours and is usually performed overnight at an airport gate. .....

B check[edit]

This is performed approximately every 6-8 months. It needs about 120-150 man-hours, depending on the aircraft, and is usually completed within 1–3 days at an airport hangar. ......
C check[edit]

This is performed approximately every 20–24 months or a specific amount of actual flight hours (FH) or as defined by the manufacturer. This maintenance check is much more extensive than a B check, requiring a large majority of the aircraft's components to be inspected. This check puts the aircraft out of service and until it is completed, the aircraft must not leave the maintenance site. It also requires more space than A and B checks.

D:

This is by far the most comprehensive and demanding check for an airplane. It is also known as an IL or "heavy maintenance visit" (HMV). This check occurs approximately every 6 years.[SUP][4][/SUP] It is a check that more or less takes the entire airplane apart for inspection and overhaul. Even the paint may need to be completely removed for further inspection on the fuselage metal skin. Such a check can generally take up to 50,000 man-hours and 2 months to complete, ........... involved in this maintenance check make it by far the most expensive, with total costs for a single visit ending up well within the million-dollar range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_maintenance_checks

 

[CARIIS]

[video=twitter;712012114408431616]https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/712012114408431616[/video]

BREAKING New footage shows #FlyDubai #FZ981 Boeing 737 stalling before crash at Rostov airlive.net/flydubai/

Not being snarky!! What is this sh#T b/w cameras. After seeing this I am calling fake. Buildings near there would have been obliterated

It looks like a nuclear bomb guys!!!

Windows would have been blown for a 425 mile radious!!!!!!!

 

[CARIIS]

I am sorry guys ---it did that edit cutoff again

Not being snarky!! What is this sh#T b/w cameras. After seeing this I am calling fake. Buildings near there would have been obliterated



From that distance, in the dark, there is not, IMO a way to determine if she stalled.

It looks like a nuclear bomb guys!!!

Windows would have been blown for a 425 mile radious!!!!!!!