Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Tssiemer]

So, in this theory, she left her balcony, through the room, and nobody in her family heard her leave the room? I'm not arguing, just asking if this is your theory. I don't know the set-up of those rooms and how quietly she would have left, of course.

I know some where in thread 2 there was a floor plan posted. She would have passed her sleeping parents to leave the room.


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[Hiandmighty]

So, in this theory, she left her balcony, through the room, and nobody in her family heard her leave the room? I'm not arguing, just asking if this is your theory. I don't know the set-up of those rooms and how quietly she would have left, of course.

It was a junior suite on Rhapsody of the Seas. She would have had to open and close the heavy balcony door, go through the bed area where her parents were and then open and close the heavy cabin door, with 3 people not hearing it.

Now, I'm going on my 8th Caribbean cruise next month and I sleep with a CPAP and if my Dh is there, ear plugs. So maybe one of them didn't hear it all but I find it unlikely all 3 didnt hear any of that.

ETA: I could make a video of how noisy this is when i go on my cruise next month, but it is in Carnival and not Royal. It is like a banging noise. Evenif you do it carefully and as quiet as possible,it is noisy.


ETA: looks like Royal might have sliding glass balcony doors, but I don't know how it was in 1998. Maybe, maybe not.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I’ve gone back and read a lot of posts. I’m interested in what happened after the alert was sounded. Where did the ship go after the docking and search?


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The ship continued on with the cruise.

 

[Kittybunny]

So, in this theory, she left her balcony, through the room, and nobody in her family heard her leave the room? I'm not arguing, just asking if this is your theory. I don't know the set-up of those rooms and how quietly she would have left, of course.

Yes, it is. The rooms are carpeted, she could have easily just come in, not made any noise and shut the door quietly behind her. I remember when I was younger, I came back from a party, snuck in to the hotel room my parents and I were sharing super late at night and didn't wake them up. Later I realized my brother hadn't come back, so I got re-dressed, and went back out, being very quiet. They never woke up. I came back in the early morning and snuck back in. Again, they never woke up! And my mom is a light sleeper so it was fairly surprising but it happened.

I don't completely rule out the possibility she went overboard herself - but if she did, it was either suicide or she decided to sit way up on the balcony for some reason.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Also in googling today, I have found no connection of the FBI to the Tropical Adult Vacations case of Alfred Cotten and his wife.

That case was entirely conducted by the NY district attorney.

The FBI wasn't in involved.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Yes, it is. The rooms are carpeted, she could have easily just come in, not made any noise and shut the door quietly behind her. I remember when I was younger, I came back from a party, snuck in to the hotel room my parents and I were sharing super late at night and didn't wake them up. Later I realized my brother hadn't come back, so I got re-dressed, and went back out, being very quiet. They never woke up. I came back in the early morning and snuck back in. Again, they never woke up! And my mom is a light sleeper so it was fairly surprising but it happened.

I don't completely rule out the possibility she went overboard herself - but if she did, it was either suicide or she decided to sit way up on the balcony for some reason.

There is a big difference though with hotel doors (space between door and threshold) and cruise ship doors (tighter and heavier). I'm not sure it is an apples to apples comparison.

I do agree that there are 3 choices if she went overboard:

1) accidental, only herself involved
2) suicide
3) murder, disposal of her body


When I joined this case, we weren't allowed to discuss the overboard theory (because of the now banned VI-- not slighting the mods or anything... just adding a historical tid bit for the newbies)

 

[Tssiemer]

The ship continued on with the cruise.

Nevermind I found a NY Times article with the answers.

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[TTF14]

I wasn't aware that going overboard was originally not allowed to be discussed as a theory. How odd. If she went overboard, I think she was drunk and possibly taking a pic of the sunrise as someone upthread theorized, although I suppose her camera would be missing if that were the case. Was there every a discussion about a camera either being on the balcony with her or possibly missing? I don't think suicide would be likely in this case.

If she did exit the room quietly without waking her parents, I think she was harmed by the band guy and thrown overboard. Either way, I think she went overboard.

 

[Mica]

Thank you for this timeline. I'm most interested in this 5:30-6AM sighting by Crystal Roberts. I wish she'd been on the Disappeared episode. I suppose there's no CCTV footage of this? I'm new to this case.

I wish all the witnesses would have been on the Disappeared show.

 

[Dushi]

I wasn't aware that going overboard was originally not allowed to be discussed as a theory. How odd. If she went overboard, I think she was drunk and possibly taking a pic of the sunrise as someone upthread theorized, although I suppose her camera would be missing if that were the case. Was there every a discussion about a camera either being on the balcony with her or possibly missing? I don't think suicide would be likely in this case.

If she did exit the room quietly without waking her parents, I think she was harmed by the band guy and thrown overboard. Either way, I think she went overboard.

I can see and agree with either of these theories.
I have always had a hard time with the sightings. JMO

 

[Mica]

Whenever I hear of sightings of missing people I always think of the McStays. People were soooo sure it was them when they had been dead from day 1.


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Jan Caldwell (SDSD) told the public they were still of the belief the McStays crossed into Mexico even after their remains were found in the desert many miles away.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Jan Caldwell (SDSD) told the public they were still of the belief the McStays crossed into Mexico even after their remains were found in the desert many miles away.

Look at the recent overboard case I just posted a few pages back-- people who saw the event still stated she was throwing up, lost her footing and fell in even when CCTV showed she stepped back and hurled herself over in suicide.

Eyewitnesses are seriously unreliable.

 

[Hiandmighty]

The only one that seemed credible to me was the beach sighting because of the tattoo, but even that wasn't super convincing since they didn't interview the guy who saw her/the tattoo to get more clarification on exactly what he saw. The former navy officer's story about the brothel was convincing as well, I guess.

However, unless I'm just not understanding how balconies on cruise ships work, or what the rooms look like, I don't really see how she could have left that balcony after her dad saw here there without her family members hearing/seeing her do so, so I think she went overboard from that balcony. But why?

The beach sighting with the tatoos was part of the long con the bradleys fell into when they were extorted out of money.

"Amid all the negativism, however, the Bradleys say they recently received the most promising information yet as to Amy's whereabouts. Based on an in-person meeting with one of two men who claim they saw Amy on a remote beach last year, Iva Bradley has made plans for an intensive search and has set up a fund with a nonprofit group to support a hoped-for rescue later.

"This is the biggest, most hopeful sign yet," Iva Bradley says of the latest reported sighting. "It's a very positive situation, and these two guys have identified Amy right down to her tattoo around her navel and her navel ring.

What is clear is that the Bradleys are willing to go to whatever legal lengths are necessary to get Amy back — including, Iva Bradley says, hiring "paramilitary forces."

https://www.styleweekly.com/richmon...litary-operation-to-bring/Content?oid=1384781





To sum up, the beach sighting was imaginary. It never happened.

 

[TTF14]

The beach sighting with the tatoos was part of the long con the bradleys fell into when they were extorted out of money.

Ahhh, ok. I didn't realize that. Does the same go for the naval officer?

 

[Tssiemer]

The beach sighting with the tatoos was part of the long con the bradleys fell into when they were extorted out of money.

"Amid all the negativism, however, the Bradleys say they recently received the most promising information yet as to Amy's whereabouts. Based on an in-person meeting with one of two men who claim they saw Amy on a remote beach last year, Iva Bradley has made plans for an intensive search and has set up a fund with a nonprofit group to support a hoped-for rescue later.

"This is the biggest, most hopeful sign yet," Iva Bradley says of the latest reported sighting. "It's a very positive situation, and these two guys have identified Amy right down to her tattoo around her navel and her navel ring.

What is clear is that the Bradleys are willing to go to whatever legal lengths are necessary to get Amy back — including, Iva Bradley says, hiring "paramilitary forces."

https://www.styleweekly.com/richmon...litary-operation-to-bring/Content?oid=1384781

The long con has muddied the waters of what’s fact and what’s fiction.


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[Dushi]

Personally, I could never understand why someone would kidnap a young woman whose disappearance became big news and then parade them around in public.
On beaches and in department stores

I certainly understand her family holding on to hope that she is still alive.
I think I would do the same thing, there is no closure

 

[Hiandmighty]

"Then Jones finally told them it was time to attempt a rescue — and that he needed more money. When the family demanded proof that the woman Jones's men were tracking was their daughter, he sent them some photographs of her sitting on the beach with the blond-haired man. "When I got the pictures, I knew Amy was OK, and it was just a matter of time," remembers Iva Bradley, who recognized the tattoo on her daughter's ankle."

"Another member of Jones's team, Jono Senk, told Primetime that the photographs supposedly showing Amy on the beach with her blond-haired captor were in fact taken by Jones on a beach in Pensacola, Fla. Senk said he posed as the "captor," wearing a blond wig, while the woman in the picture was an acquaintance of Jones."

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=131968&page=1

 

[Hiandmighty]

Ahhh, ok. I didn't realize that. Does the same go for the naval officer?

Not sure other than I never believed a coward officer would abandon a kidnapped woman for fear of getting discharged. Never made sense to me.

 

[TTF14]

Not sure other than I never believed a coward officer would abandon a kidnapped woman for fear of getting discharged. Never made sense to me.

I guess I'm more likely than you to see that happening. It would be nice if everyone in the military were honorable, but they're not.

Still, I think she went overboard one way or another.

 

[Mica]

Also in googling today, I have found no connection of the FBI to the Tropical Adult Vacations case of Alfred Cotten and his wife.

That case was entirely conducted by the NY district attorney.

The FBI wasn't in involved.

Correct the FBI was not involved with the case of the FL couple. The case was conducted by the NY County District Attorney’s Office, in addition to Homeland Security and ICE.

>>snip

Assistant District Attorney James Lynch is handling the prosecution of this case under the supervision of Assistant District Attorneys Jennifer Dolle; John Temple, Chief of the Human Trafficking Response Unit; and Executive Assistant District Attorneys Audrey Moore, Chief of the Special Victims Bureau; and John Irwin, Chief of the Trial Division. Senior Investigators Ariela DaSilva and Miguel Rivera, as well as Supervising Investigator Jonathan Reid, assisted with the investigation. Trial Preparation Assistant Samuel Morales is also assisting with the case.

District Attorney Vance thanked acting Special Agent in Charge of HSI New York Glenn Sorge, and Special Agents Rob Mancene and Megan Buckley.

https://web.archive.org/web/2017041...-sex-tourism-through-“tropical-adult-va