Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[CoolJ]

So please bear with me as I'm posting this more for myself since you guys don't seem to be as confused as I am, LOL.

According to today's deck arrangements, there were 8 rooms added where the Explorer's Club and the Crown and Anchor Study were located, 4 on each side of the deck. That changed the numbering of the rooms, to make what #8564 was to # 8572 today.

That's according to the Wayback archives from 1999.
https://web.archive.org/web/19991010040609/http://www.rccl.com:80/1.6/

Present day: https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-ships/rhapsody-of-the-seas/deck-plans/1896/BR

Beyond that though, that room appears to be the same size, no change that I can tell. Although, they don't list any Junior Suites, just Family Staterooms and Larger Staterooms. Maybe the information is incomplete, I have no idea, but hopefully I'm a little less confused.

I don’t think we can know for sure how they renumbered the cabins. We don’t know if they reconfigured other cabins during this reno. Also, you would think the cruise line would want to make the “missing girl” cabin no longer distinguishable. Mandalay Bay has done this since October 1 event.

Regardless, it doesn’t mean much. Just the size of the cabin the Bradley’s had. Amy could have left regardless the square footage of the cabin.

 

[neesaki]

I don’t think we can know for sure how they renumbered the cabins. We don’t know if they reconfigured other cabins during this reno. Also, you would think the cruise line would want to make the “missing girl” cabin no longer distinguishable. Mandalay Bay has done this since October 1 event.

Regardless, it doesn’t mean much. Just the size of the cabin the Bradley’s had. Amy could have left regardless the square footage of the cabin.

ITA.
Note: I did notice when I just googled “family suite rhapsody of he seas”. that it brought up those smaller rooms showing them with bunk beds , still at 246 sq. ft. , and it was not the Royal suite. So due to the varied info available I don’t think there’s any real way of verifying the details of their room, though not sure why it’s been an issue anyway.

Darn, these rooms are tiny, just one more reason I have no interest in a cruise. Flying or driving will do me just fine, Lol and Jmo.

 

[JSolt1210]

ITA.
Note: I did notice when I just googled “family suite rhapsody of he seas”. that it brought up those smaller rooms showing them with bunk beds , still at 246 sq. ft. , and it was not the Royal suite. So due to the varied info available I don’t think there’s any real way of verifying the details of their room, though not sure why it’s been an issue anyway.

Darn, these rooms are tiny, just one more reason I have no interest in a cruise. Flying or driving will do me just fine, Lol and Jmo.

Can we at least verify the distance between the general area of the room up to the place where the possible sighting occurred by the elevator?

Like, can it take 15 minutes to get from the general area of the suite (+ or - 10 rooms) to the floor where the disco is?

Apologies if this has already been answered above. I’m at work and might’ve missed it!


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[neesaki]

Can we at least verify the distance between the general area of the room up to the place where the possible sighting occurred by the elevator?

Like, can it take 15 minutes to get from the general area of the suite (+ or - 10 rooms) to the floor where the disco is?

Apologies if this has already been answered above. I’m at work and might’ve missed it!


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Oh gosh, I wish I could, but I have no idea. :/

 

[JSolt1210]

This has always been my question. It doesn't make sense to go into panic mode that quickly. The conclusion that i have come to is that some information has been suppressed since day 1. They had reason to believe Amy was in trouble and likely being taken off the ship.

Although some seem to have made it their life mission to discredit the Bradleys, I do not question their honesty or their motives whatsoever. It is my opinion they are keeping some information close to the vest to protect the integrity of the investigation.

This is a great observation.

According to Vanished, Ron woke up at 5:50am and discovered Amy missing. According to other sources which I cited above, the first page to Amy went out at 7:50am.

However, the family themselves say that they were already pleading with the captain not to let people off the boat, but everyone had already disembarked. So in the span of less than two hours, their alert level went up to a panic. And this is over a grown, strong, independent, and athletic adult—their beloved daughter, of course, but still, not someone who’s helpless but is capable of making her own decisions.

We’ve all seen missing persons cases where that doesn’t happen, where that’s not the immediate reaction. Is there something different in this case that we’re not privy too?


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[Mica]

Can we at least verify the distance between the general area of the room up to the place where the possible sighting occurred by the elevator?

Like, can it take 15 minutes to get from the general area of the suite (+ or - 10 rooms) to the floor where the disco is?

Apologies if this has already been answered above. I’m at work and might’ve missed it!


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I’m guessing the Viking Crown Lounge is where Amy was heading with Yellow when the 2 teen witnesses spotted them. The lounge is now located on the 11th deck.

 

[Mica]

This is a great observation.

According to Vanished, Ron woke up at 5:50am and discovered Amy missing. According to other sources which I cited above, the first page to Amy went out at 7:50am.

However, the family themselves say that they were already pleading with the captain not to let people off the boat, but everyone had already disembarked. So in the span of less than two hours, their alert level went up to a panic. And this is over a grown, strong, independent, and athletic adult—their beloved daughter, of course, but still, not someone who’s helpless but is capable of making her own decisions.

We’ve all seen missing persons cases where that doesn’t happen, where that’s not the immediate reaction. Is there something different in this case that we’re not privy too?


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I don’t remember where I might have read this or if I saw it on a show, but I seem to remember the family’s plan was to eat an early breakfast together and tour Curacao just like they did in Aruba. Her father went searching for her - for some time - without success. Their plans were falling apart. It was not like Amy to disappear without telling somebody she was leaving, especially knowing plans were made. They soon became frantic thinking something nefarious happened, and the story unfolded.... We need to remember her mother was already uncomfortable and paranoid about the “creepy” waiters and Yellow paying attention to Amy. This probably crossed her mind at the time. JMO

 

[nannymo]

I have never read anything that stated there was anything specific in the room/on the balcony that led them to believe she was missing.
Just that she was gone. Took her cigarettes and lighter. I am not certain about shoes, whether she had them or didn't

I think I remember her Dad talking about Amy wanting to go upstairs early to watch them dock. Didn't he say he saw her gone and was not concerned until he started searching the boat and could not ind her anywhere he thought she should be. That was when he started getting alarmed because she was nowhere to be found in the common areas.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Is there something different in this case that we’re not privy too?


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MOO. It seems so

 

[Tssiemer]

I think there’s something off with the timeline. I don’t know what or if it even matters big picture really. It just seems odd to automatically assume something bad happened that early. Of course as mentioned Mrs. Bradley could have been worried due to the attention Amy was receiving from staff. I tend to believe mothers intuition though.


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[neesaki]

I think there’s something off with the timeline. I don’t know what or if it even matters big picture really. It just seems odd to automatically assume something bad happened that early. Of course as mentioned Mrs. Bradley could have been worried due to the attention Amy was receiving from staff. I tend to believe mothers intuition though.


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I think they looked for her for an hour or so, it wasn’t really immediately IIRC. They had plans that morning and she had just disappeared and didn’t show up for their plans. As a mother I would probably be panicking too, especially with all the creepy people around. Jmo

 

[Hiandmighty]

I think there’s something off with the timeline. I don’t know what or if it even matters big picture really. It just seems odd to automatically assume something bad happened that early. Of course as mentioned Mrs. Bradley could have been worried due to the attention Amy was receiving from staff. I tend to believe mothers intuition though.


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Iva is quoted in several articles as saying she was “proud” of the attention Amy and Brad were getting. I have always found that to be an odd statement.

About the plans: Ron is quoted as saying Amy usually slept in, so I don't think their plans were early plans. Also, she and Brad didn’t roll in until 4 am, so when were they going to sleep if the plans were early?

Nowhere have I read that they were concerned because she didn’t show up for their plans.

 

[Hiandmighty]

“When Mr. Bradley awoke at about 6 a.m., Amy was gone (as were her cigarettes and lighter), her shoes were on the deck beside the deck lounge, and the sliding glass door adjoining the cabin to the balcony was ajar. Ron Bradley remembers being surprised that his daughter, usually a late sleeper, had left the cabin so early. He decided to look for Amy, whom he guessed might have gone for coffee or to the ship's upper decks to view the port of Curacao. ”

http://amybradley.net/oct2498wcqtguide.htm

“Usually a late sleeper...”



“Bradley sought Amy in the public areas of the ship before returning to the family's cabin just before 7 a.m., but not before imforming the ship's security officer that he believed his daughter was missing.”

 

[neesaki]

Ok, now I remember reading that , thanks for the reminder.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Ok, now I remember reading that , thanks for the reminder.

No problem. It is hard to remember all of these things offhand. It was a good theory though and I had to think about it for a while.

 

[JSolt1210]

About the plans: Ron is quoted as saying Amy usually slept in, so I don't think their plans were early plans. Also, she and Brad didn’t roll in until 4 am, so when were they going to sleep if the plans were early?

Nowhere have I read that they were concerned because she didn’t show up for their plans.

“When Mr. Bradley awoke at about 6 a.m., Amy was gone (as were her cigarettes and lighter), her shoes were on the deck beside the deck lounge, and the sliding glass door adjoining the cabin to the balcony was ajar. Ron Bradley remembers being surprised that his daughter, usually a late sleeper, had left the cabin so early. He decided to look for Amy, whom he guessed might have gone for coffee or to the ship's upper decks to view the port of Curacao. ”

http://amybradley.net/oct2498wcqtguide.htm

“Bradley sought Amy in the public areas of the ship before returning to the family's cabin just before 7 a.m., but not before imforming the ship's security officer that he believed his daughter was missing.”

In Vanished, Ron remembers: "Knowing that she was comfortable [asleep on the balcony at 5:30am], I just decided to lay my head back down because I knew in about 20 minutes [i.e., 5:50am], we were going to get up, and go off on the island and have breakfast..."

This is the first time I noticed that apparently the breakfast plans were to be on the island itself, and not on the ship, as I previously thought I'd read elsewhere.

IMO then, these sound more like early plans to me. From Unsolved Mysteries, we know that by the time the first page to Amy went out at 7:50am, "most of the passengers had disembarked for the day," probably starting around 7am. 5:50am is a reasonable time to start getting ready for a 7am departure—especially if you want to be one of the first to get off a ship of about 3,000 people, and get a table before the rest of the crowds beat you to it.

Now if Amy was a late sleeper, then in a way, I can see why the panic might've escalated so quickly. Do we know if the "we were going to get up, and go off on the island and have breakfast" includes Amy? Ron might've felt that because of her sleeping habits, she would've stayed behind sleeping—and if so, she should've still been on the balcony. Maybe that's why he never said he was concerned when Amy didn't show up for their plans, because she wouldn't have been a part of those plans. Her not being still asleep there, then, was the cause for concern.

 

[Dushi]

I am so confused. There are so many times that are slightly different than other times.
Amy was there at 5:30 and twenty minutes later she was gone.
She knew (assuming) that they needed to get ready to leave the ship
Why leave the room? Had she made plans? She had to get up and get ready to go ashore.
Given the very tight schedule listed above, I am more confused than ever as to why she left the room at that hour

And even though Mrs Bradley may have been worried about the attention that band members and others were giving Amy., I don't get the feeling Amy was very worried, otherwise, I doubt Amy and her brother would have spent the rest of the evening in their company.

 

[JSolt1210]

I am so confused. There are so many times that are slightly different than other times.
Amy was there at 5:30 and twenty minutes later she was gone.
She knew (assuming) that they needed to get ready to leave the ship
Why leave the room? Had she made plans? She had to get up and get ready to go ashore.
Given the very tight schedule listed above, I am more confused than ever as to why she left the room at that hour

And even though Mrs Bradley may have been worried about the attention that band members and others were giving Amy., I don't get the feeling Amy was very worried, otherwise, I doubt Amy and her brother would have spent the rest of the evening in their company.

Yeah it's all extremely confusing. On page 79 of thread #2, I believe, someone quoted an article that says Brad and Amy came back together at 3:45am, whereas in most other sources, Amy was the second to return anywhere from 15-50 minutes after her brother.

Most timelines agree, though, that Ron woke up at 5:30am to see Amy asleep on the balcony, and at 5:50am he woke up again, and she was gone. A sighting by Crystal Roberts and a friend places Amy getting off an elevator with Yellow at 5:45am, en route back to the 24-hour dance club. What I wish we could find out is if it's possible to get from her cabin to the 24-hour dance club in 15 minutes.

As for why she left the room when she "had to get up and get ready to go ashore," what occurs to me now is that maybe she didn't have to go ashore. She was a late sleeper, so her parents probably expected her to stay on board sleeping while they had breakfast, and then maybe she'd join them later on the island. And since she was a late sleeper, it's possible she figured she had a little more time to head back out.

 

[Dushi]

One thing that sort of speaks to me is she took her cigarettes and lighter, so she thought she would be gone at least long enough to want to smoke.
Someone correct me , but back then, weren't you able to smoke on your balcony and possibly even in your cabin?
If so, there would be no reason to leave just for a smoke, so she may have had other plans

If she left the cabin, she left freely.

 

[CoolJ]

This is a great observation.

According to Vanished, Ron woke up at 5:50am and discovered Amy missing. According to other sources which I cited above, the first page to Amy went out at 7:50am.

However, the family themselves say that they were already pleading with the captain not to let people off the boat, but everyone had already disembarked. So in the span of less than two hours, their alert level went up to a panic. And this is over a grown, strong, independent, and athletic adult—their beloved daughter, of course, but still, not someone who’s helpless but is capable of making her own decisions.

We’ve all seen missing persons cases where that doesn’t happen, where that’s not the immediate reaction. Is there something different in this case that we’re not privy too?


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Yes, definitely something we are not privy to is my opinion.