An arrest imminent?

[believe09]

The idiots and their headlines

Don't get me wrong,if there was a doll down there,great!
But LE must have found it DAY ONE,so why is it NOW a bomshell?Makes no sense.
And how can you arrest someone based on finding a doll.Some could claim the intruder baited JB with it,like it happened with the pineapple.

So my questions for the Globe is:
How exactly does that doll help LE NOW(and why not then) arrest....WHO(exactly?)? :waitasec:

Ask KoldKase...:dance:

I read a little while ago that Websleuths would be featured in the Globe-great job KoldKase!!!!

 

[BBB167893]

Did anyone here BUY this issue? If so, please tell us who did it and what that "big clue" was.

I did buy it. And the clue, according to them, was something that our good friend KoldKase spotted: a small, blonde doll in a red and white outfit with its arm extended.

 

[KoldKase]

I don't know nothing 'bout that koldkase :snooty:, but this koldkase says if you want a breaking news story, publish the questions about the Bloomies and put in photos of Jayelles' model and photos comparing the 4-6 and 12-14 sizes.

As to what dolls in that cellar room might prove--circumstantial at best: that dolls were in the room where the body was found.

We'd have to know a lot more details about them to even take that further than wild speculation. Were they new? Were they presents for that Christmas, and if so, for whom? Were they JonBenet's and normally kept in her room or around the upstairs living areas somewhere? Were they actually "placed" or in a haphazard location?

Again, as ever, just more questions, no real answers. Dagnabit!

 

[JMO8778]

If it was indeed the 1996 barbie,then it seems likely JB would have received it as a gift on Christmas morning.So for it to end up in the basement with her body seems out of place.

 

[DeeDee249]

I did buy it. And the clue, according to them, was something that our good friend KoldKase spotted: a small, blonde doll in a red and white outfit with its arm extended.

I thought that might be it. But again- why NOW? That photo was taken in 1996, the day she was found. The doll was known about then, and I also don't see how the presence of the doll there solves the crime. If ONLY Patsy's prints are on it, it shows that no intruder put it there, but it could also have been yet another gift for Patsy's niece, unwrapped when the Bloomies panties were. Yet, is a very likely Christmas gift for JB as well. If we had extensive photos of Christmas morning, the doll should be there if it was a gift for JB. Either way, it is still an odd thing to put there with the body. She must have had a favorite or special doll that would have been more important to her than a doll still in a box.

 

[JMO8778]

My daughter was born the same yr as JB,and I used to get her the holiday barbies all the time.It's pretty common to leave them in the box.of course some kids do take them out and play with them,but a lot of times,they are left in the box for display purposes.
Perhaps Patsy was upset that morning because JB liked the barbie better than the special doll she had for her.If so,then putting a doll she did like with her in death may have made sense to her,in her mind.
This is JAT.

 

[passionflower]

Can they arrest a dead person??? Patsy??

 

[JMO8778]

Can they arrest a dead person??? Patsy??

I beleive they can unequivically name her the killer,and close the case.

 

[madeleine]

I beleive they can unequivically name her the killer,and close the case.

That would be an injustice.Close the case based on what.Name her the KILLER based on what.(what proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was her and not him or the son?NOTHING>That's their problem,always was,always will be.They can't prove which one did what)

 

[JMO8778]

I think it might be possible,based on evidence we're not publically seeing,because I suspect there is a whole lot more there than what we're being told.JMO though.

 

[madeleine]

They wouldn't all be so vocal if PDI,IMO.They would have left it like it is,both the R's and LE.IMO there's more at stake here for JR than LE blaming his dead wife AGAIN.And LE wouldn't be so driven.If they solve it and PDI,okay they close the case and that's it....but imagine what happens if they solve it and it was a R who still can be CHARGED.

 

[madeleine]

I don't think that JR hired an army of lawyers for BR just for the sake of his wife's reputation (which has been trashed over and over and over anyway).He's not concerned that LE will name her the killer.Again.IMO

 

[JMO8778]

I suspect JR is worried about his involvement in the crime (which was covering up for Patsy,imo),as well as sexual abuse done by him,and all the ppl he bought and sold with his money.He has to keep up the charade,IMO.He's one to worry about his repuation,it appears.I've noticed ppl in his generation generally want to keep a squeeky clean rep.,whereas nowadays,ppl are more liberal in regards to that.
But I understand if you think JDI;I respect that.Possibly he did have more involvement than just a cover-up,esp. if they both realized JB was not yet dead,and both decided together to nix calling 911 and take the matter into their own hands at that point.IF any help was called,I suspect it was in the form of Dr Beuf,the ped.,who could do nothing more for her.

 

[madeleine]

IF any help was called,I suspect it was in the form of Dr Beuf,the ped.,who could do nothing more for her.

I often wondered about that myself.Do we know whether he gave DNA samples?I didn't know for a long time that he was also a family FRIEND,I thought he was the kid's doc and that's it.

 

[Mendara]

I often wondered about that myself.Do we know whether he gave DNA samples?I didn't know for a long time that he was also a family FRIEND,I thought he was the kid's doc and that's it.

I have also suspected he knew more than he has said.

 

[KoldKase]

Can they arrest a dead person??? Patsy??

Well, L. Sue Wood has stated he'd like to change civil law so Patsy can sue from the grave....

 

[BBB167893]

Well, L. Sue Wood has stated he'd like to change civil law so Patsy can sue from the grave....

Good luck with that!

 

[KoldKase]

I have also suspected he knew more than he has said.

If Dr. Beuf admitted he in any way suspected JB's vaginitis or bed-wetting were suspicious symptoms from sexual abuse, he'd be in serious professional and legal trouble himself. It would have been his job to call social services and report it, after all, long before she was murdered.

He didn't do that. So he has no other position he can take than he saw no signs of abuse.

Was he called that night by the Ramseys? I don't think we'll ever know, because of that cell phone record which was blank for the Dec. month when the Ramseys "turned it over" to LE a year later.

But how odd was it that Dr. Beuf was the physician called to the Fernies on the 26th? And he was the one who "sedated" Patsy?

If I'd ever heard the Ramseys claim they called him over for Burke, I'd find that more believable. The child had his sister murdered, after all, while he slept--or didn't sleep, whatever their stories on that ended up being; so I could understand that. But no one ever said Dr. Beuf was called for Burke, just that he came as a "family friend."

I do not buy that.

But John has another problem: if he ever admits he knew one thing or had a suspicion that Patsy was involved, than he lied under oath in a civil suit and that could have consequences, as well. For one, Chris Wolf could sue him into poverty and win this time, no problem. And anyone else the Ramseys threw suspicion on in their book, as well. The maid, for one.

Plus the Ramseys sued St. Martin's Press and Thomas and got a "settlement," whatever that was. Again, another can of worms opened for John Ramsey and Lin Wood. Would they both have to return the money in that settlement? Any legal actions for bringing a suit based on lies?

How about perjury charges? Judges don't much care for being lied to under oath.

There won't be any admission from the Ramseys.

 

[BBB167893]

If Dr. Beuf admitted he in any way suspected JB's vaginitis or bed-wetting were suspicious symptoms from sexual abuse, he'd be in serious professional and legal trouble himself. It would have been his job to call social services and report it, after all, long before she was murdered.

He didn't do that. So he has no other position he can take than he saw no signs of abuse.

Was he called that night by the Ramseys? I don't think we'll ever know, because of that cell phone record which was blank for the Dec. month when the Ramseys "turned it over" to LE a year later.

But how odd was it that Dr. Beuf was the physician called to the Fernies on the 26th? And he was the one who "sedated" Patsy?

If I'd ever heard the Ramseys claim they called him over for Burke, I'd find that more believable. The child had his sister murdered, after all, while he slept--or didn't sleep, whatever their stories on that ended up being; so I could understand that. But no one ever said Dr. Beuf was called for Burke, just that he came as a "family friend."

I do not buy that.

But John has another problem: if he ever admits he knew one thing or had a suspicion that Patsy was involved, than he lied under oath in a civil suit and that could have consequences, as well. For one, Chris Wolf could sue him into poverty and win this time, no problem. And anyone else the Ramseys threw suspicion on in their book, as well. The maid, for one.

Plus the Ramseys sued St. Martin's Press and Thomas and got a "settlement," whatever that was. Again, another can of worms opened for John Ramsey and Lin Wood. Would they both have to return the money in that settlement? Any legal actions for bringing a suit based on lies?

How about perjury charges? Judges don't much care for being lied to under oath.

There won't be any admission from the Ramseys.

You're right, KK. JR has walled himself into that corner for life.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I agree with the both of you, but I also see the possibility of JR throwing Patsy under the bus if it starts to look like his arrest is imminent. All he would have to do is claim a death bed confession and profess to know nothing of her involvement till that time. Could anyone sue him for things he did not know at the time? I have no idea about the law suits, but it is my opinion that he will give her up before he gets charged with the whole shebang. I also don't believe he is innocent in this crime but we all know how the R's are, not a one of them will go down if they can pin it on someone else.