Andrew Kinsman, 49, Toronto, 26 June 2017

[Grey-St]

Speculation but to me it sounds like there were two vehicles.

They started to keep an eye on him in the fall. They somehow knew he was offloading car #1. According to Vetere, the cops were going to various auto parts shops to try to find it and got lucky when they made it to his in Courtice. Seems like they did some work on this car, found something, but not enough to get a warrant to search the apartment?

Last week they intercepted him "[trying] to enter an auto wrecking yard"; it also had blood (fresh???? speculation), giving them the warrant for the Thorncliffe apartment - seemingly he was also arrested when he was intercepted.

There is perhaps a 3rd vehicle involved - the truck that was being towed from one of the houses the other day (Scarborough house?)

There was also a vehicle that was towed from his Thorncliffe apartment.

To me it wouldn't make sense if they are about the same incident because the police did not intercept him in Courtice. In Courtice he did not "try" to "allegedly" drive into an autowrecking yard - in Courtice, he sold his car, a week before the police caught up to it. Nor did they have the warrant in September when they found his car at Dom's.

Yeah, I could be wrong, that's just how I interpreted it. I remember the CP24 crime specialist laid out how the warrants transpired, and he also used the word "intercepted" to describe the car situation at Dom's in Courtice. Not the greatest choice of words but that's what I recall him saying. The owner of Dom's said that they do wreck cars, but they hold on to them a bit longer before doing so than other yards, which is why he said LE were lucky.

 

[dotr]

Handy link, mapping the McArthur murders.
http://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/01/22/mapping-mcarthur-murder-investigation/
95 Thorncliffe Park Drive, Thorncliffe

– This apartment building was McArthur’s primary residence, where he lived on the 19th floor
– Police have been investigating the scene since Thursday Jan. 18, possibly earlier
– Police have removed a number of items, including a computer
– A neighbour said he lived there with a male partner, according to The Globe and Mail

Mallory Crescent, Leaside

– This house is owned by Karen Fraser and Ron Smith; McArthur performed free gardening for the couple in exchange for the use of their garage and yard to store his landscaping supplies, according to The Toronto Star
– Adbulbasir Faizi’s car was found blocks away, on Moore Avenue, shortly after he disappeared in 2010

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Police have removed gardening items from the garage, including large flower pots

2598 Cooper Road, Madoc

– Police began searching this location on Thursday Jan. 18, possibly earlier, and concluded their investigation on Monday Jan. 22
– Neighbours say McArthur kept birds there, earning him the nickname “Birdman”
– Phone goes to voicemail, registered to an R Horan

227 Conlins Road, Scarborough

– Two storey home previously owned by Brendan and Patricia Horan and neighbours say Roger Horan lived there, as Brendan and Patricia live in Ireland, according to the Globe and Mail

 

[Jbor]

Yesterday I posted about a body found in Pickering. They identified the man today, it appears unrelated.
https://www.durhamregion.com/news-s...und-in-pickering-as-missing-man-derek-miller/

 

[tarabull]

FWIW

CANADA CANADA - Glamor Lake Road, Haliburton ON, 21 January 2018

 

[JDG]

There was a fifth property, a condo in Don Mills, belonging to an ex boyfriend. I remember reading that the fella was very upset, his phone had been seized and he was banned from his condo. Also staying with friends until he could re-enter. IMO

 

[tarabull]

There was a fifth property, a condo in Don Mills, belonging to an ex boyfriend. I remember reading that the fella was very upset, his phone had been seized and he was banned from his condo. Also staying with friends until he could re-enter. IMO

Concorde Place

 

[matou]

FWIW

CANADA CANADA - Glamor Lake Road, Haliburton ON, 21 January 2018

I know Haliburton is relevant but I can't remember why? Did Kinsman have a cottage there?

 

[tarabull]

I know Haliburton is relevant but I can't remember why? Did Kinsman have a cottage there?

TBA I'm not sure matou & it could be anyone...

but anything could also be relative at this time, we have no way of really knowing til some more shakes out...

:moo: :cow:

 

[matou]

The Madoc and Scarborough properties have been released by LE and RH is not a suspect in this case.

As part of their investigation, police scoured five properties connected to Mr. McArthur, including the two owned by B H as well as three in Toronto, which are still being investigated: Mr. McArthur's Thorncliffe Park apartment, the condo of his ex-partner near Eglinton Avenue East and Don Mills Road and a house in Leaside, where Mr. McArthur did yard work for the owners and stored equipment in the garage.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-serial-murder-investigation/article37698268/

 

[tarabull]

Investigation into accused killer’s use of dating apps stokes tension in Toronto’s Gay Village
January 22, 2018

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...s-stokes-tension-in-torontos-gay-village.html

 

[Hazel]

Accused killer Bruce McArthur’s 2003 assault conviction led to DNA order

Though the DNA was taken over a decade ago, former Toronto police homicide cop Mark Valois said it’s “absolutely” possible that information aided in his most recent arrest

Accused killer Bruce McArthur was sentenced for assault more than a decade ago, in a ruling that prohibited him from owning weapons for 10 years and ordered samples of his DNA to be taken and placed in a database.

Mark Valois, a former Toronto police homicide officer who is now director of academic training at the Canadian Tactical Officers Association, said the sample is generally mandatory “if you hurt somebody.”

“Basically, that’s what it boils down to. Domestic situations, anything to do with kids, obviously any type of sexual offences,” Valois said, adding that the sample is typically kept on file indefinitely.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...2003-assault-conviction-led-to-dna-order.html

 

[519er]

Hi all, new to this site and first post. Noticed his profile from Silverdaddies was in the news, which also noted he was also on Growlr, Scruff mobile apps.

Heres some other website profiles he was active on until his arrest:

https://www.bear411.com/silverfoxtoronto (lists his home both toronto and bowmanville)

https://www.manjam.com/profile/silverfoxtoronto/1698581/ (has list of friends on profile)

http://accessmobile.bearforest.com/classifieds/pp2get.cgi?x_get=217453&x_nodisp=1

http://www.mrxapp.com/profile/silverfoxtoronto



He's also on squirt.org with nickname silverfoxtoronto but public links not accessible.

 

[Grey-St]

Accused killer Bruce McArthur’s 2003 assault conviction led to DNA order

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...2003-assault-conviction-led-to-dna-order.html

Yes, thank you for this! I've been waiting for an article detailing his prior assault conviction. It's so important that judges impose these DNA orders, as well. They are vital for LE.

 

[JDG]

Accused killer Bruce McArthur’s 2003 assault conviction led to DNA order


https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...2003-assault-conviction-led-to-dna-order.html

Well, thats a lucky break for the TPS!

 

[Jasper52]

Yes, thank you for this! I've been waiting for an article detailing his prior assault conviction. It's so important that judges impose these DNA orders, as well. They are vital for LE.

As a Canadian, I feel I'm more versed in US laws. I never realized that somebody convicted of assault was required to provide a DNA sample. Good thing they do!!!

 

[Grey-St]

As a Canadian, I feel I'm more versed in US laws. I never realized that somebody convicted of assault was required to provide a DNA sample. Good thing they do!!!

Yeah it's one thing that I am very grateful for. I've known of cases where there were no assault convictions, but DNA orders were issued. Once you're in the Canadian justice system, it's a serious deal. They want to deter folks from committing offences again in the future, and they want to be able to find you fast, if you do.

 

[Jasper52]

DNA Orders (an interesting read and quite an extensive list)

http://criminalnotebook.ca/index.php/DNA_Orders

 

[Satchie]

Well, thats a lucky break for the TPS!

The article only speculates the DNA might have been used. I don't actually think it was, there's no crime scene or bodies for DNA to have been retrieved from.

I think police more likely used the victim's digital footprints and social media networks, and identified him as connected with Andrew Kinsman plus another missing man at least, and with a job that would make it easy to dispose of bodies.

 

[tarabull]

At about 20 secs into this video they are moving some rather large items wrapped in black plastic onto a truck...more planters???

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/1142743107827/

 

[dotr]

At about 20 secs into this video they are moving some rather large items wrapped in black plastic onto a truck...more planters???

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/1142743107827/

Looks like planters, the thing with planters is, you can move them if you want ( have ) to, but because they are heavy, most people just leave them be.
imo, spculation.