Another Odd Thing

[Maxi]

If John Ramsey is anything like my husband, Patsy could have discussed the pageants with him thousands of times, and he just wouldn't remember it because he wasn't paying attention.

 

[candy]

LOL Maxi! You're describing many guys. Too true!

 

[Toth]

The father's role at pageants, ballet, etc. is to show up for special events, not look bored and to beam with pride at the appropriate moments,,, it is not part of his role to listen to endless prattle about the stupid stuff.

 

[Jayelles]

it is not part of his role to listen to endless prattle about the stupid stuff.

So you agree that it's a silly pastime?

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by tipper
What is it you think they should have discussed? Yousay the pageants but I'm interested in specifically what you think they should have talked about.

Let's start with how to activate the alarm system!

LOL! - couldn't resist THAT one, Tip!

 

[eliza]

I think we all can get carried away with our childrens activities, I know my son was into hockey and we did all the tournaments and training camps. I really don't see a problem with the pageant thing as I'm sure Patsy just started out wanting her daughter to enjoy something she experienced and enjoyed. I can understand how John might not get too involved seeing it was more of a girl thing. What I don't understand is why John didn"t get involved when the pageant thing seemed to get out of hand. He should have stepped in and had a talk with Patsy when she was coloring his daughters hair at such a young age and he should of had a fit at seeing his daughter doing such suggestive moves for such a little girl. This is when John should have been talking to Patsy.

 

[Toltec]

I can understand patsy wanting JonBenet to enter pageants...she was a beautiful, charming little girl.

It's the pageant outfits and the suggestive dancing I find extremely offending. This was not taught by dance instructors but by Patsy and Pam. The outfits were designed by none other than Miss Pam.

No doubt in my mind that both Miss Patsy and Miss Pam decided that JonBenet would wow the crowd as a little Lolita....

 

[ajt400]

Not particulary that it is a stupid past time, just that most men are not going to care if Wanda S. is to pushy making sure her daughter is up front, and "Who does she think she is?", or every endless detail of all the costumes, and a play y play of the talent rehearsal.

My boyfriend will make an awesome husband one day because he knows exactly when to nod and say "uh huh, sure you look nice"

What is a silly pastime to me may not be to you and vice versa!

 

[Toth]

Originally posted by Toltec
It's the pageant outfits and the suggestive dancing I find extremely offending.

Well, I doubt there was all that much difference between the various contestants.

 

[tipper]

"It's the pageant outfits and the suggestive dancing I find extremely offending. "

But apparently the judges didn't.

 

[Maxi]

JBR's get-ups were less trash and flash than many we've seen on tv specials about kiddie pageants. They were just expensive looking and eerily sophisticated for a little kid.

You can find more suggestive clothing in the Sears kids' dept. these days. And don't get me started on dance costumes I've seen! Think black vinyl crop tops and booty shorts on a 6-year-old who is shimmying with everything she doesn't have. The change it what is considered appropriate for children over the past 16 years is appalling! But I don't see men in the audiences, except a few beleagured dads with weekend visitation.

 

[Eagle1]

Obviously they're just not telling us what all they talked about. It's supposed to be private. I really can't imagine John Ramsey saying Patsy may have killed JonBenet because.....anything. I thought maybe you meant the author of the new book.

Maybe JR doesn't pay any attention to prattle, even his own, and didn't realize he was saying out loud what was only a passing thought. So he did wonder about Patsy after all. At least for a short time. (Personally, I'm Intruder Theory.)

 

[sissi]

Originally posted by Toltec
It's the pageant outfits and the suggestive dancing I find extremely offending.

Pam designed the costumes,and Christine added the "bumps" to otherwise normally choreographed progams.
Patsy sent her to a normal dance class,where many little girls learned the same motions,the Griffins however,knew that the little extras would get the "trophy".
JMO

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Eagle1
Obviously they're just not telling us what all they talked about. It's supposed to be private. I really can't imagine John Ramsey saying Patsy may have killed JonBenet because.....anything.
Maybe JR doesn't pay any attention to prattle, even his own, and didn't realize he was saying out loud what was only a passing thought. So he did wonder about Patsy after all. At least for a short time. (Personally, I'm Intruder Theory.)I thought maybe you meant the author of the new book.

Author of new book???...!!!... he did (Davis-"An Evening with JonBenet") mention that one book failed to repeat a phrase printed in 1st copy:
p. 190: 26. "Schiller, p.583."It is interesting that Schiller removes this paragraph from the paperback version of his book.
...p.584 "Schiller"

 

[Maxi]

Originally posted by sissi
Originally posted by Toltec
It's the pageant outfits and the suggestive dancing I find extremely offending.

Pam designed the costumes,and Christine added the "bumps" to otherwise normally choreographed progams.
Patsy sent her to a normal dance class,where many little girls learned the same motions,the Griffins however,knew that the little extras would get the "trophy".
JMO

OMG, those were barely bumps! I've seen hundreds and hundreds of little girls' dance routines, and JonBenet's was conservative, even with Christine's additions (if that's what they were). The "bumps" are just swinging her cowgirl skirt. I think that dance teacher's statement was just her attempt to make sure none of the JBR case stink rubbed off on her business. Boulder isn't in Saudi Arabia, for goodness sake!

 

[Toth]

Originally posted by Maxi
Boulder isn't in Saudi Arabia, for goodness sake!

No, its not, however, many posters seem to hold such stark views on beauty pageants that I think more reasonable minds might be found in Saudi Arabia.
As investigators, these personally held views on kiddie pageants should have no role whatsoever.

Its as if you had a violent dislike and suspicion because they called an Episcopalian minister instead of a Rabbi. Your strongly held views should play no role in an investigation.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Toth
As investigators, these personally held views on kiddie pageants should have no role whatsoever.

Toth, you will forever take the cake as the greatest hypocrite we know. Mention Santa Bill and you are the first one to point your finger and bash him because he occasionally wandered into a dirty magazine shop. Well if that makes him a suspect in YOUR mind, then parents who sleeze-up their child and prance her across a stage should be seated right next to Santa in your boat of suspecious behavior.

In The World According to Toth, "normal" people don't visit dirty book stores.
In the REAL world, "normal" people don't enter their little children in kiddie pageants.

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JMHO

 

[Imon128]

John Ramsey also professes JB's killer was a pedophile. I know that not all males at pageants ARE pedophiles, but by the same logic, not all males at pageants are NOT pedophiles.

 

[Maxi]

LOL, John also said he as a sadistic masochist. Or was it a masochistic sadist?

According to DOI, John is looking for a sadistic masochist who has a big grudge against John, hates wealthy people, has contact with criminals, and who happens to be a pedophile. He would also need about four arms and a skinny body to climb through the basement window carrying the baseball bat, duct tape, stun gun, etc. This guy shouldn't be hard to spot!

 

[Imon128]

Yeah, maxi, and the guy had one leg, too, since there was one footprint. Also, included in John's logic, this was an inside job. Goes to show what kind of folks the R's hang out with or have for family members, eh? LOL