Another Sawgrass

[Hollys G-mom]

ces.

IIRC, no.

BTW-- What do other Sawgrasses (there are a number of them) have to do with the crime?

Like they couldn't have met somewhere along the way...

 

[Hollys G-mom]

BBM

This is not how the prosecution system works. MOO

Actually, it is...There are over 200 case of this actually happening.


http://www.innocenceproject.org/

 

[Balthazar]

If Baez has the proof that will exonerate Casey, and he is waiting for trial to reveal this information, then why does he keep trying to delay the trial? That doesn't make sense to me. I personally think that JB is full of hot air and instead of making statements like my client is innocent, or she will be exonerated at trial, he should just say that she is not guilty of the charges against her.... that is if he must say anything at all.

Baez is NOT delaying the trial. The trial has been delayed due to having to hire Andrea Lyon for a Death Penalty case- which the prosecution knew full well would cause a delay. The prosecution's actions are NOT the fault of the defense. The prosecution knew full well that a new DP qualified attorney would have to be hired and they knew FULL WELL the result would be a delay in the trial.

 

[Balthazar]

...but I don't think AL would want to be associated with such an attorney...it could be career suicide to do that. She doesn't need to make a name for herself...she has the name...she would never want to see that name tarnished IMO.

PS- there is no other Sawgrass.

I NEVER said there was another Sawgrass - why divert off my discussion with Brini to try to prove your point?

 

[Balthazar]

Any evidence potentially used at trial would have to be turned over to the prosecution in discovery first. If there is a 'surprise' witness JB would at the very least have to inform the prosecution and allow them to depose that witness. If there are documents or physical evidence they would have to be turned over to the prosecution first.

How far in advance of the trial must the evidence be turned over to prosecution? Anyone know about the law in Florida?

 

[okiedokietoo]

I just don't buy into the "conspiracy theory" thing. Everything that LE has released (that we have seen via Sunshine Law) appears to me to be facts. KC said this KC said that, CA said this, GA said this, what KC said proven to be a lie (I work at Universal, I got a call from the nanny etc) CA saying "dead body in car that turned into pizza" and no pizza in car.................The Searchers Searched where they could, areas where LE thought would be good places to search because of the cell ping history patterns of KC- they searched areas that showed on the pings as being out of KC's pattern out of her comfort zones.
And to get the topic of this Thread in:
KC led LE to Sawgrass Apartments, to an apartment that had been vacant for weeks.

 

[countzero]

Not being snary here, but if any WS or any guest reading these posts have any information of any other Sawgrass location or any location or any information that smacks against the evidence so far released by LE/FBI/SA, I would highly recommend that instead of posting here, contact LE or any attorney and give them the information and let them investigate it. Heck call Morgan and give him the info.

IF KC IS INNOCENT, then she needs to be released ASAP.

Personally, I don't subscribe to it because I do believe and trust LE and the FBI. But hey stranger things have happened in other previous cases.

Also might put this out. LE/FBI have convincing evidence to put the DP back on the table. They aren't about to muck a DP conviction going on "suspicions or assumptions" like we are at the moment.

 

[MaedchenX]

Actually, it is...There are over 200 case of this actually happening.


http://www.innocenceproject.org/

The Innocence Project does wonderful work and are very thorough. So Thorough that they pin point the causes of false convictions (most being attributed to false eye witnesses-- not a factor in this case.) in cases where an innocent party has been vindicated through DNA evidence. Here is the rub;

"DNA does not solve the problem. In fact, experts estimate that only 5-10% of all criminal cases involve biological evidence that could be subjected to DNA testing. In the other 90-95% of crimes, DNA testing is not an option – so the criminal justice system relies on other kinds of evidence"


ETA: If anyone is curious here is a handy bar graph that details the reasons identified in overturned DR wrongful conviction cases.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/causes-wrongful-convictions

 

[MissJames]

Baez is NOT delaying the trial. The trial has been delayed due to having to hire Andrea Lyon for a Death Penalty case- which the prosecution knew full well would cause a delay. The prosecution's actions are NOT the fault of the defense. The prosecution knew full well that a new DP qualified attorney would have to be hired and they knew FULL WELL the result would be a delay in the trial.

As I recall,the State actually had to make a motion to the court asking that the defense show proof they had a DP attorney on board,because the defense was dragging it's feet on hiring one.So they hire someone a month later, from another state who also has another job that interferes with her preparing for the trial.
It's still the defense asking for delay after delay.IMO

 

[DotsEyes]

May I approach?

No attorney allows his/her client to sit in jail when that attorney has indisputable proof that his client is innocent. The indisputable proof would be plopped on the desk to show the Sheriff and the District Attorney. One doesn't let one's client sit in jail so that there can be a "gotcha" moment at trial. "Gotcha" would be the desk plop, getting the charges dismissed and walking the client out of jail.

Attorneys are obligated to vigorously defend and to act in the best interest of the client, not themselves. It can not be argued that jail is in the best interest of an innocent client, under any circumstances. Please take this part of any theory out of the equation.

 

[MissJames]

Oh well, if the Ortiz family says so...then it MUST BE TRUE!!! Right...

I don't have any reason not to trust the O family,but KC ,on the other hand , has told several different stories about who the father was.She even told JG Caylee was his,until a dna test proved she wasn't.The problem here is that KC has told so many lies no one can trust anything SHE has said.

 

[Brini]

Actually, it is...There are over 200 case of this actually happening.


http://www.innocenceproject.org/

And, now that we have better forensic technologies, a number of these folks are being let go. Over 200 released.

And, fewer innocents are likely to be convicted BECAUSE i our parabolic progress in forensic tech.

The same advanced forensic tech that will convict KC.

 

[Balthazar]

As I recall,the State actually had to make a motion to the court asking that the defense show proof they had a DP attorney on board,because the defense was dragging it's feet on hiring one.So they hire someone from another state who also has another job that interferes with her preparing for the trial.
It's still the defense asking for delay after delay.

I believe that's an unreasonable assumption. The State put the DP back on the table, they knew that Casey did NOT have a DP qualified attorney and they also know that some searching would have to take place to get one. So, it's actually, the prosecutions fault that there has been a delay. If the prosecution wanted to move to trial quickly, they would have skipped the DP altogether and just gone for Murder 2 or lower. Taking the DP on and off the table - prosecutorial indecision - caused the delay. Prosecutions's bad - no fault of the defense whatsoever.

 

[Brini]

I NEVER said there was another Sawgrass - why divert off my discussion with Brini to try to prove your point?

The title of the thread is, "Another Sawgrass."


Some people, on this thread are arguing two things:

1) That there is a conspiracy to get KC convicted for someone else's crime, and

2) That KC has been involved with another place called "Sawgrass."

Several of us have tried to get answered the question of what there being another place called "Sawgrass" has anything to do wit the crime.

There has been no answer.

 

[MaedchenX]

I believe that's an unreasonable assumption. The State put the DP back on the table, they knew that Casey did NOT have a DP qualified attorney and they also know that some searching would have to take place to get one. So, it's actually, the prosecutions fault that there has been a delay. If the prosecution wanted to move to trial quickly, they would have skipped the DP altogether and just gone for Murder 2 or lower. Taking the DP on and off the table - prosecutorial indecision - caused the delay. Prosecutions's bad - no fault of the defense whatsoever.

The state has the impetus to pursue the propper avenues in reaching the punishment befitting of the crime, not to unnecessarily expedite the process.

 

[Brini]

I believe that's an unreasonable assumption. The State put the DP back on the table, they knew that Casey did NOT have a DP qualified attorney and they also know that some searching would have to take place to get one. So, it's actually, the prosecutions fault that there has been a delay. If the prosecution wanted to move to trial quickly, they would have skipped the DP altogether and just gone for Murder 2 or lower. Taking the DP on and off the table - prosecutorial indecision - caused the delay. Prosecutions's bad - no fault of the defense whatsoever.

Yet, all the requests for continuences have been filed by the defense.

Had JB moved for a speedy trial, instead of foot-dragging, and had the trial taken place before Caylee's body was found, KC would have had a better chance at getting off.

 

[Brini]

Do the attorneys in your family practice criminal law and are DP qualified? Doesn't sound like it.

Nope. But, they know that one doesn't let the client sit in jail, if one has exonerating evidence.

That's Law 101.

 

[Brini]

I don't have any reason not to trust the O family,but KC ,on the other hand , has told several different stories about who the father was.She even told JG Caylee was his,until a dna test proved she wasn't.The problem here is that KC has told so many lies no one can trust anything SHE has said.

Yep! KC said at least six or seven guys, including three dead ones, were the bio father. ALL of those claims might be false. It may even be someone whom she has NOT mentioned.

The Ortiz family says their son did not have a relationship with KC. I believe they said he didn't even KNOW KC, IIRC.

So, why would KC's claim of JO be believable, out of a claimed field of at least six guys?

 

[MissJames]

I believe that's an unreasonable assumption. The State put the DP back on the table, they knew that Casey did NOT have a DP qualified attorney and they also know that some searching would have to take place to get one. So, it's actually, the prosecutions fault that there has been a delay. If the prosecution wanted to move to trial quickly, they would have skipped the DP altogether and just gone for Murder 2 or lower. Taking the DP on and off the table - prosecutorial indecision - caused the delay. Prosecutions's bad - no fault of the defense whatsoever.

The defense HAD a DP qualified attorney,remember him? Lemar,I think? He wrote the reasons why the state should not seek the death penalty. The shock waves here because one reason listed "if it was an accident" [totally paraphrasing]. So to go with an attorney from another state who has another job that interferes with her ability to prepare in a timely manner ,has nothing to do with the prosecution IMO.
And we are way OT from Another Sawgrass! I'm done.

 

[Brini]

I believe that's an unreasonable assumption. The State put the DP back on the table, they knew that Casey did NOT have a DP qualified attorney and they also know that some searching would have to take place to get one. So, it's actually, the prosecutions fault that there has been a delay. If the prosecution wanted to move to trial quickly, they would have skipped the DP altogether and just gone for Murder 2 or lower. Taking the DP on and off the table - prosecutorial indecision - caused the delay. Prosecutions's bad - no fault of the defense whatsoever.

The state put the DP back on the table, after Caylee's body was found, and they had received the forensic evidence FROM that find to conclude that the DP was appropriate. Period.