Anthony A Shore, Death Row, & JonBenet?

[CathyR]

I have always wondered if an IDI was hiding in the house before they got home.

If the intent was to kidnap JBR and take her back to Texas I can see why he (Mr. AA Shore) would write a ransom note. Why would his hand writing resemble Patsy's? Does it normally, or do you think that part of his plan, to mimic one of their handwriting styles. Take everything from John.... Patsy as a suspect in her involvement. Did he go through the garbage to get samples? Look around the house, find her diary or a journal, use phrases he heard Patsy use on previous occasions? Did he mimic some of her language phrases but used some of his own as well. Did he do this while waiting for the family to return? Making a practice note as well?
In the original plan he would want her alive to molest her further like he did his daughters.
I think he did hit her over the head to knock her out and did more damage than he intended. He figured it out when she didn't cry out or even move much when he molested her. He changes his plan as playing with a dead child isn't his plan. He killed ( strangled) her and staged the area around her.


If a direct appeal is made from Colorado to Texas to test him ( all Texas has to do is collect and certify it is his sample) in order to compare this DNA I don't see why BPD would not make the effort.

It is too creepy a lead not to follow up on.
It isn't dependent on psychics and angry ex-girl friends and they have explored those,. why not this?

 

[thelmadawg]

I have always wondered if an IDI was hiding in the house before they got home.

If the intent was to kidnap JBR and take her back to Texas I can see why he (Mr. AA Shore) would write a ransom note. Why would his hand writing resemble Patsy's? Does it normally, or do you think that part of his plan, to mimic one of their handwriting styles. Take everything from John.... Patsy as a suspect in her involvement. Did he go through the garbage to get samples? Look around the house, find her diary or a journal, use phrases he heard Patsy use on previous occasions? Did he mimic some of her language phrases but used some of his own as well. Did he do this while waiting for the family to return? Making a practice note as well?
In the original plan he would want her alive to molest her further like he did his daughters.
I think he did hit her over the head to knock her out and did more damage than he intended. He figured it out when she didn't cry out or even move much when he molested her. He changes his plan as playing with a dead child isn't his plan. He killed ( strangled) her and staged the area around her.


If a direct appeal is made from Colorado to Texas to test him ( all Texas has to do is collect and certify it is his sample) in order to compare this DNA I don't see why BPD would not make the effort.

It is too creepy a lead not to follow up on.
It isn't dependent on psychics and angry ex-girl friends and they have explored those,. why not this?

Re: DNA. I'm hoping they have, but if they did it earlier, the labs were in a total state of disarray. It became national news that the sloppy, inexperienced personnel may have been responsible for many unwarranted convictions. So, since I can't get a response from BPD, I guess it remains uncertain.

I, too, think the perp(s) was in the house prior to and when they arrived home. The ransom note may have been left to give the perp time to be long gone before the discovery of JB -- or maybe just a cruel hoax for no particular reason. It IS egocentric and boastful -- something you would expect of somebody like Shore.

 

[LinasK]

I, too, think the perp(s) was in the house prior to and when they arrived home. The ransom note may have been left to give the perp time to be long gone before the discovery of JB -- or maybe just a cruel hoax for no particular reason. It IS egocentric and boastful -- something you would expect of somebody like Shore.

How did they get in???:waitasec: I've asked IDI's this many times without a response- there was an unbroken spider web on the basement window, and no footprints in the snow!

 

[Ames]

How did they get in???:waitasec: I've asked IDI's this many times without a response- there was an unbroken spider web on the basement window, and no footprints in the snow!

That's what I would like to know. I also would like to know how they escaped. There were no tire tracks or anything...what did they do, just disappear after they got outside? Some IDI's think that there was a get away car waiting outside....but, why didn't anyone see or hear it?? I mean...besides JR, who said that he spotted a van. Funny how that van was outside his home at the precise moment that he decided to take a look. Guess that was the "intruders" MONITERING them, right out in the open. Maybe they had cameras and audio set up in the van watching the Ramsey's every move. Maybe when they heard them call over all of their friends and neighbors, they decided to go back into the home and kill JB....because that is what the RN said. She would be killed if they talked to so much as a dog. Yeah, maybe this is what happened. NAHHHH....don't think so.

 

[Bobbarita]

FYI- From: Jon Benet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, by Steve Thomas

"In turn CASKU agents noted that of the more than seventeen hundred murdered children they had studied since the 1960's, there was only one case in which the victim was a female under the age of twelve, who had been murdered in her home by strangulation, with sexual assault and a ransom note present---and that was JonBenet Ramsey.

They told us that while it might be possible that someone broke into the house that night, it wasn't very probable. The staging, evidence, and totality of the case pointed in one direction---that this was not the act of an intruder.

The crime, they said, did not fit an act of sex or revenge or one in which money was the motivation. Taken alone, they said, each piece of evidence might be argued, but together, enough pebbles become a block of evidentiary granite."

 

[LinasK]

The ransom note may have been left to give the perp time to be long gone before the discovery of JB -- or maybe just a cruel hoax for no particular reason. It IS egocentric and boastful -- something you would expect of somebody like Shore.

Also something I expect of Patsy Ramsey and her ego!!!

 

[joeskidbeck]

You would think that by now someone would have taken credit for this crime. Since it's been 14 years, I'm sure most IDI's think the culprit is in jail and that's why he hasn't struck again. But folks even the most evil of prisoners in jail like to take credit for their horrendous crimes. This is what gets most of them busted with more charges than they started with. In this case, they are not even making false confessions just to get out of their cell for a little while. There has to be a reason for that. Convicted convicts are braggers, you know what I mean, "my crime is worse than yours". Ask yourself why it has never happened in this case. Please dont bring up that crazy JMK, He should be locked somewhere in a padded cell.

 

[joeskidbeck]

And let's don't forget Patsy's on words: "I think there are two people who know who did this, the actual murderer and someone he has told". Yeah, right. P & J. Just don't know who did it and who told the other.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

And let's don't forget Patsy's on words: "I think there are two people who know who did this, the actual murderer and someone he has told". Yeah, right. P & J. Just don't know who did it and who told the other.

And possibly three, making it PB&J.

 

[joeskidbeck]

LOL, Tee Mouse! It's great that people on here can come up with these funnies just when we need them the most.

A little levity never hurt anyone! I may even have to start using that when talking about the three of them.

 

[thelmadawg]

In view of recent publicity, I am renewing a request for any info on Anthony A Shore as it relates to the possibility he was the killer of JBR. See also page 1 of this thread.

Originally Posted by thelmadawg
While perhaps not our perp, he IS interesting ( in no particular order) :

1. Predator of primarily young women and children -- in home, street.
2. Cunning and premeditative -- Hi IQ psychopath
3. Killed with garrote device
4. Stalked
5. SBTC: Southern Bell Telephone Company
6. Arrogant, controlling, narcissistic, poor father relationship (Killer shows great disdain for the Ramsey father figure)
7. About 15 hours from Boulder
8. Prison art shows him displaying V for Victory sign (Ransom Note)
9. Unknown how many murders actually committed
10. If not mistaken, last known and or admitted murder was in July of 1995.
11. As a musician known to perform at various venues and schools, possibly could have performed at a JB pageant, or variously as an SBTC employee been in some way exposed to Ramsey PR.
12. "Religious" conversion when young -- didactic and rigid views -- albeit totally contrary to his murderous pursuits. (Psalm references)
13 Lineman tools and devices similar to JB MO. Prusik knots, rope, tape, possible lineman's (climbing) rope possible 911 call from outside home, i.e. tapped line.
14. In at least one instance when his victim remained undiscovered he called local media to report the location. (Ransom note variation)

If we are not looking into the eyes of the actual perp, I believe we are looking at a dark soul very much like Anthony Shore, and that in itself is a clue. This was not a newbie crime. It was carefully premeditated and likely by a suspect who had previously murdered or violently raped and home invaded.

I agree with a previous post that he generally killed in the Houston area, as far as we know, and he most often dumped the bodies. But did his arrogance direct a path to a high profile family with a perfect victim?

Where was Anthony Shore in December of 1996? Has his DNA been run against the (JBR) DNA sample found, if indeed, the sample represents the killer's DNA?

So many questions. So few answers!

 

[Lyla]

In view of recent publicity, I am renewing a request for any info on Anthony A Shore as it relates to the possibility he was the killer of JBR. See also page 1 of this thread.

Originally Posted by thelmadawg
While perhaps not our perp, he IS interesting ( in no particular order) :

1. Predator of primarily young women and children -- in home, street.
2. Cunning and premeditative -- Hi IQ psychopath
3. Killed with garrote device
4. Stalked
5. SBTC: Southern Bell Telephone Company
6. Arrogant, controlling, narcissistic, poor father relationship (Killer shows great disdain for the Ramsey father figure)
7. About 15 hours from Boulder
8. Prison art shows him displaying V for Victory sign (Ransom Note)
9. Unknown how many murders actually committed
10. If not mistaken, last known and or admitted murder was in July of 1995.
11. As a musician known to perform at various venues and schools, possibly could have performed at a JB pageant, or variously as an SBTC employee been in some way exposed to Ramsey PR.
12. "Religious" conversion when young -- didactic and rigid views -- albeit totally contrary to his murderous pursuits. (Psalm references)
13 Lineman tools and devices similar to JB MO. Prusik knots, rope, tape, possible lineman's (climbing) rope possible 911 call from outside home, i.e. tapped line.
14. In at least one instance when his victim remained undiscovered he called local media to report the location. (Ransom note variation)

If we are not looking into the eyes of the actual perp, I believe we are looking at a dark soul very much like Anthony Shore, and that in itself is a clue. This was not a newbie crime. It was carefully premeditated and likely by a suspect who had previously murdered or violently raped and home invaded.

I agree with a previous post that he generally killed in the Houston area, as far as we know, and he most often dumped the bodies. But did his arrogance direct a path to a high profile family with a perfect victim?

Where was Anthony Shore in December of 1996? Has his DNA been run against the (JBR) DNA sample found, if indeed, the sample represents the killer's DNA?

So many questions. So few answers!

The only difference I would see is all the known victims looked very similar. Small frame wih dark hair and dark eyes. But I had the same thoughts as you have posted. Thank you

 

[AndHence]

The only difference I would see is all the known victims looked very similar. Small frame wih dark hair and dark eyes. But I had the same thoughts as you have posted. Thank you

According to his wiki entry, he gave police DNA samples after he was arrested for molesting his two daughters. Presumably his sample is in CODIS, but the DNA found on JonBenet's clothes is likely a composite and will never be matched to one individual. What a terrible human being this Shore guy is, though.

 

[andreww]

In view of recent publicity, I am renewing a request for any info on Anthony A Shore as it relates to the possibility he was the killer of JBR. See also page 1 of this thread.

Originally Posted by thelmadawg
While perhaps not our perp, he IS interesting ( in no particular order) :

1. Predator of primarily young women and children -- in home, street.
2. Cunning and premeditative -- Hi IQ psychopath
3. Killed with garrote device
4. Stalked
5. SBTC: Southern Bell Telephone Company
6. Arrogant, controlling, narcissistic, poor father relationship (Killer shows great disdain for the Ramsey father figure)
7. About 15 hours from Boulder
8. Prison art shows him displaying V for Victory sign (Ransom Note)
9. Unknown how many murders actually committed
10. If not mistaken, last known and or admitted murder was in July of 1995.
11. As a musician known to perform at various venues and schools, possibly could have performed at a JB pageant, or variously as an SBTC employee been in some way exposed to Ramsey PR.
12. "Religious" conversion when young -- didactic and rigid views -- albeit totally contrary to his murderous pursuits. (Psalm references)
13 Lineman tools and devices similar to JB MO. Prusik knots, rope, tape, possible lineman's (climbing) rope possible 911 call from outside home, i.e. tapped line.
14. In at least one instance when his victim remained undiscovered he called local media to report the location. (Ransom note variation)

If we are not looking into the eyes of the actual perp, I believe we are looking at a dark soul very much like Anthony Shore, and that in itself is a clue. This was not a newbie crime. It was carefully premeditated and likely by a suspect who had previously murdered or violently raped and home invaded.

I agree with a previous post that he generally killed in the Houston area, as far as we know, and he most often dumped the bodies. But did his arrogance direct a path to a high profile family with a perfect victim?

Where was Anthony Shore in December of 1996? Has his DNA been run against the (JBR) DNA sample found, if indeed, the sample represents the killer's DNA?

So many questions. So few answers!

There are plenty of bad people out there that were close to Boulder. However, no matter how intriguing this guy may sound, it does nothing to explain the years of lying and lack of interest in helping find the killer by the family. Their behaviour alone tells me that the killer is among them.

 

[DesJardines]

Shore: "I wanna say because I had ****ed my hands up form the first one I used a piece of wood, a pencil, it might have been a pencil. It was something. I don't know, a paintbrush. Something. Some piece of wood or something that twisted it. Make me a serious panic, freaking out."

"I don't know, a paintbrush." -from AAS's 2003 confession to murder of Maria Carmen del Estrada

JBR tourniquet in 96 was tightened by a paintbrush found in the Ramsey home.

 

[DesJardines]

There are plenty of bad people out there that were close to Boulder. However, no matter how intriguing this guy may sound, it does nothing to explain the years of lying and lack of interest in helping find the killer by the family. Their behaviour alone tells me that the killer is among them.

The child had DNA from more than one person on her underwear. If the Ramseys allowed a man to be in their home with their child, maybe according to an agreement, perhaps for money, they wouldn't have expected the man to kill her. After she was killed, they couldn't admit they had sold their daughter to a pedophile for the night, could they?

 

[thelmadawg]

Shore: "I wanna say because I had ****ed my hands up form the first one I used a piece of wood, a pencil, it might have been a pencil. It was something. I don't know, a paintbrush. Something. Some piece of wood or something that twisted it. Make me a serious panic, freaking out."

"I don't know, a paintbrush." -from AAS's 2003 confession to murder of Maria Carmen del Estrada. JBR tourniquet in 96 was tightened by a paintbrush found in the Ramsey home.

I have long felt that AA Shore was an ideal suspect in several ways - AS above, and also worked for Southern Bell Tel and Tel as line repairman, prussic knots, Patsy and Jon Benet in Texas earlier for a pageant, the phone issues the night of their party, etc. She would have been his dream victim. He was stealthy, cunning, smart and sociopathic. Since his execution is now scheduled, I guess we'll never know one way or another.

The Ramsey's have been cleared. And though there are many who think the worst, there is nothing in their background to even remotely suggest they were culpable in any way.

So, if not AAShore, perhaps there's hope - albeit a slim one -- even yet.

 

[DesJardines]

I have long felt that AA Shore was an ideal suspect in several ways - AS above, and also worked for Southern Bell Tel and Tel as line repairman, prussic knots, Patsy and Jon Benet in Texas earlier for a pageant, the phone issues the night of their party, etc. She would have been his dream victim. He was stealthy, cunning, smart and sociopathic. Since his execution is now scheduled, I guess we'll never know one way or another.

The Ramsey's have been cleared. And though there are many who think the worst, there is nothing in their background to even remotely suggest they were culpable in any way.

So, if not AAShore, perhaps there's hope - albeit a slim one -- even yet.

Phone issues the night of the party?

 

[not-starving actress]

Did all of you hear the deathbed vid confession of one of the multiple participants present when she died? He sounded very credible and had an extremely prominent position in Boulder. Of course he knew John Ramsey very well.

 

[k-mac]

Did all of you hear the deathbed vid confession of one of the multiple participants present when she died? He sounded very credible and had an extremely prominent position in Boulder. Of course he knew John Ramsey very well.

:laughing: