Anthony's did not tell Police New Zenaida Story

[DebC]

well, since you raise these points, someone might ask: If KC is the murderer, why would she drive around with the body decomposing in the trunk of her car for any time at all, why not dispose of it immediately? (And if she had a body in the trunk or the trunk reeked from what she knew, as the murderer, was decomp, why would she keep allowing the car to run out of gas requiring others to come assist her, etc, why would she put her dad's gas cans there in the stinky trunk, etc.) Why would she not remove the tape from Caylee's face before disposing of her body to make the death look more accidental/less cruel, why would she put the body there by her own house, why would she go so ridiculously far as to put a heart sticker on the tape to link back to herself and her use of hearts on photos? Why would she use bags from the family home and other items from the family home and then leave the matches of these items still in the family home?

Because she's an arrogant, bad-tempered, lazy, spoilt, disorganised, thieving, pathalogical liar who got away with so much previously?

 

[Tracey276]

Because she's an arrogant, bad-tempered, lazy, spoilt, disorganised, thieving, pathalogical liar who got away with so much previously?

DebC,

That is the best most succinct answer anyone could come up with. I 100% agree.

KC had NOT thought out completely what she was going to do with Caylee. That was her biggest problem. So, she kept her in the car, with her, as long as she could. NO ONE, NOT ONE PERSON, EVER reported they had been IN the car. KC wasn't stupid enough to let anyone IN the car while Caylee was in the car. She was always in someone else's car, and then she dumped it!

LA telling in the depo, the story KC really told the family, is what THEY were investigating and going on. Of course, they wouldn't tell police because they cried foul from the beginning about LE. Heck, they weren't even sending tips to LE after awhile. I really do believe they believed KC's lies and went full force following her ridiculous lies. The best example of my thinking this is, when CA brother kept reiterating how dense CA was for ALWAYS believing KC's outrageous lies!
After Calyee was found deceased, they STILL refused to admit KC had sent them though the Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole!

 

[Macushla]

I really worry sometimes we'll never know what actually happened to Caylee, but I think KC probably will be convicted regardless because of her refusal or inability to tell the truth. (Whether or not she committed murder.) I really hope the whole truth comes out one day or at least very close to it. Caylee deserves that much. Getting the murderer put away would be one measure of justice, but for the whole truth to be known would be a greater justice. (As close as we can get to any kind of justice in this world anyway.) MOO

We will never know the truth until KC tells the truth. I don't think she ever will, but that is just my opinion. It does not matter what each of US believes, based on our opinion of any evidence we have seen and/or heard. there are dozens of theories floating around here on WS. We take what we think is relevant to our theory and run with it. KC is the ONLY one who knows exactly what happened, when it happened and where it happened. Nothing she has said, so far, in respect to Caylee's disappearance has been found to be true. Now we know, for sure, that she changed her story at least once - according to LA. While I enjoyed throwing out the 'different name' theory earlier on this thread - I think that too, if the defense attempts to use something along those lines, will also be a lie.

Sadly, Seagull65, I don't think Caylee will ever get that greater justice. That precious child deserves it, but I am afraid it will be denied her.

 

[PaulaF513]

I do fear that the whole truth will never be known. KC appears bent on keeping silent and forcing the state to prove her guilt. Circumstantially and in the court of public opinion, that has been done.

I know that KC has been examined by psychologists in jail, but I find her behavior to be the most bizarre of any I have ever heard. For a girl so young and essentially inexperienced, she is an enigma. Whether or not she exhibits classic symptoms, she is not mentally normal. She is positively frightening in her resolution and indifference to the situation. When you look at the bare basics, she apparently acted minimally and went on unaffected with her new normalcy. The only self-protection she utilized was hiding out in plain sight from those who would sound an alarm. She didn't even take the time in those 31 days to formulate a more plausible explanation or to hide the body in a more secure location.

She behaved as if whatever happened to Caylee never happened. The psychiatric community will be studying KC Anthony for decades to come.

 

[Seebra]

Personally, I think GA will crack during questioning and spill his guts. I just don't think he can put out of his thoughts what KC did to his precious granddaughter.

I think you're absolutely right. If I had to bet on anyone in the family coming forward for Caylee's sake, it would be GA.

I also, sad to say, think that GA and CA marriage will not last if CA doesn't wake up and look around her at the truth.

GA has been struggling with this for many months, and it has to be taking a toll on him and his relationships with the other members of his family.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

This is probably just slightly off topic but in relation to KC's instructions from ZFG - does LE have a copy of these instructions? I seem to recall KC saying ZFG gave her written instructions. Has anyone seen these? And most importantly, has LE seen this list?

 

[KenoshaKid]

Oh yeah sure - happened at Blanchard Park not Sawgrass, but no one was told?

I think she had to come up with an alternate story after LE told her that she wasn't on the surveillance cameras at Sawgrass. She had an "oh s---" moment and knew she had to come up with another story. I'm sure the Anthony's didn't go to LE with it because it sounded so preposterous even they didn't buy it. It sounds almost high schoolish.

 

[tzee]

I think the A's did not go to LE because they knew how absurd the story was and how bad KC would look with yet another "story" that obviously was not true. There was no credibility to the Blanchard Park kidnapping story so they did not feel the need to make her look like more of a liar than she already presented herself to be. After years of dealing with her schemes they all had her number....

 

[Patty G]

This is probably just slightly off topic but in relation to KC's instructions from ZFG - does LE have a copy of these instructions? I seem to recall KC saying ZFG gave her written instructions. Has anyone seen these? And most importantly, has LE seen this list?

These "instructions/story" is a figment of Casey's imagination.

 

[darlin gal]

I was my impression Lee thought LE already knew it, and LP put it all over the airwaves and LE never came to him (Lee) about it apparently, so I get the impression he thought LE knew. (And I assume they did.) But you never know.

Casey told this "new" story to her family right after she was bonded out by LP.

They should have contacted LE right away with this information. If they believed their daughter and they believed Caylee was alive they would have contacted LE with ANY and ALL new information. They knew Casey hadn't been questioned any further by LE, so there is no way LE would have KNOWN this new "story".

LP didn't mention it on air till Sept. 12th.


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[Clock's Tickin]

This is probably just slightly off topic but in relation to KC's instructions from ZFG - does LE have a copy of these instructions? I seem to recall KC saying ZFG gave her written instructions. Has anyone seen these? And most importantly, has LE seen this list?

Oh, those were probably "burn after reading" instructions...either that or they self destructed after 10 minutes "mission impossible style.

So, just to be a pain in the arse....The A's didn't tell LE about Zanny story #2 because, if they did, the kidnappers would kill Caylee. Zanny story #1 was most assuredly in the "script". So the Zanny name is probably also in the "script". JB will have a field day writing his own script--hollywood fashion-outlining KC's desperate attempts to "clue LE in" without violating the kidnappers orders. All of the "connections" LE has found linking the crime scene to the house is iffy due to the fact that KC and Caylee lived there and had access to all of that stuff.... forever-most of which could have been in KC's car... forever(trash bags, stickers, laundrey hampers, and baby blankets)-and of course the kidnappers had access to KC's car all along. After all, part of the 30 day "script" required her to leave the car at various locations usning the "ran outta gas" excuse, so that said kidnappers could use her vehicle to attend to their other diabolical business (transporting dead bodies all over town among other things). Therefore, when the deal went sour and the car got towed before they could pick it up-they watched in horrer as KC got arrested and LE wouldn't believe her story. The "script" had Caylee coming home on her birthday after the kidnappers had finished their dastardly projects, but with the heat on and KC gone the kidnappers took the easy way out and murdered Caylee, dumping her in the woods by her house on her 3rd birthday. JB advised his client not to breathe a word of the truth, even after Caylee's remains were discovered, until the real kidnappers have been found-due to the danger KC's family may still be in.

I know, farfetched indeed, but I can't really fathom any realistic approach for JB and his "not guilty" client. I think the A's are playing right into that story line with LA's testimony. Bizzare...truly bizzare

 

[KenoshaKid]

well, since you raise these points, someone might ask: If KC is the murderer, why would she drive around with the body decomposing in the trunk of her car for any time at all, why not dispose of it immediately? She had a date with Tony and she figured she'd do it the next day or two, not figuring the body would decompose so quickly in the heat. (And if she had a body in the trunk or the trunk reeked from what she knew, as the murderer, was decomp, why would she keep allowing the car to run out of gas requiring others to come assist her, etc, She had no money to buy gas until she found someone new to steal from. why would she put her dad's gas cans there in the stinky trunk, etc.) Because she would gag on the fumes otherwise? And its the only legal place to put gas cans. She sure couldn't risk getting pulled over with gas cans inthe back seat and having the cops make her put them in the trunk! Why would she not remove the tape from Caylee's face before disposing of her body to make the death look more accidental/less cruel, Because she was so decomposed the skin would have come off with it, because she bagged her so she didn't have to look at her decomposing body, because the smell and the flies were gagging her. why would she put the body there by her own house, She knew the area and what to expect when she went in there. She assumed the body would never be found. why would she go so ridiculously far as to put a heart sticker on the tape to link back to herself and her use of hearts on photos? Because she is a dumbass. Why would she use bags from the family home and other items from the family home and then leave the matches of these items still in the family home? Because Mom would ask where the laundry bags went. The black plastic bags were a common type. Also what about the fact that KC was living and "working" (helping at Fusian) around so many other people, any of whom could have potentially accessed Caylee, But Caylee was with Grandma or the nanny. KC's Pontiac, and the items in the pontiac? Well then wouldn't she freak out and call the police when she found her daughter's dead body in the trunk? What about the people other than KC with access to the family home? etc Well, then that implicates the immediate family since the nanny doesn't exist. I definitely don't rule KC out either, but don't any of these points give a little pause? Sorry, back to topic. I'm not saying LE ever set out to frame KC, by the way.

responses in red.
Thanks for being brave and a good sport for being the devil's advocate. I am sure all these points will be brought up by the defense. They are going to have a tough time of it. They either have to go with prove she did it, it was an accident, or she is crazy, IMO.

 

[sumbunny]

I don't think JB will actually have any theories on what happend to caylee..he'll just try to discredit SA's evidence with experts.

That is what her entire case will be about..discrediting law enforcement.

Sad, very sad

 

[LambChop]

If you watch the tapes from Target and the bank you can clearly see KC cashing checks until AH's balance was 0. She knew she would be picking AH up at the airport and would have to explain why there were checks made out to KC that AH knew she did not write. She figures she can lie her way out of any situation, ABSOLUTELY because she is young, attractive and can pretty much get away with anything. The A's did not tell LE because they know it is all a lie as they know her better than anyone.

 

[LambChop]

Maybe JB believed the Jay B Park story?

 

[yolorado]

Lee confesses that no one told police about new Zenaida story about blanchard park!
I believe this is a huge problem for the Anthony's. Lee admits they witheld this info from police. Wow!
anyone have thoughts on this? This may be why they all have attorneys and why the anthony's do not want to do a deposition with Morgan.
Morgan is a genius!

Brainless Casey has gotten herself into such a sticky wicket! If Casey changed her story and didn't tell the police "the truth" 'IF her daughter had been kidnapped alive but was in the kind of danger which ultimately resulted in her death,' that alone is enough complicity to put KC behind bars FOREVER. Until now though, that story only came from LP. She could have said, " I never said that. I didn't tell the police a lie and keep the truth from them at a time when my child's life was in mortal danger.'
Now, Lee's said it too. The prosecution just got more ammo. People who change their stories like this when kidnapped children are in perril are obvious liars and, though possibly mentally deficient is some way, clearly conscious of their own guilt and trying to save their own arses...when is more conscousness of guilt leading futher and further away from, "Ok, it was an accident." She's now told two stories and neither one of them was an accident. If she comes up with an accident story now, that'll be three stories. The more stories, the more unbelievable...and this babe was unbelievable from the get-go.

 

[magic-cat]

well, since you raise these points, someone might ask: If KC is the murderer, why would she drive around with the body decomposing in the trunk of her car for any time at all, why not dispose of it immediately? Because that was how LITTLE Caylee actually meant to her, and in addition she was waiting for the chance to "get rid of her" without being seen. (And if she had a body in the trunk or the trunk reeked from what she knew, as the murderer, was decomp, why would she keep allowing the car to run out of gas requiring others to come assist her, etc, why would she put her dad's gas cans there in the stinky trunk, etc.) Because, quite frankly, she is an idiot, and I she had NO money. She had no way, except by stealing from her dad's bui8lding, to obtain gas, and so either had to wait until he refilled his building cans-after buying new ones since she stole the original ones-or until she could steal some money from someone with which to obtain gas. I also believe it is possible she has put his gas MIX into the gas tank and THAT was why it was sputtering and stalling out...LE tested the gas gauge and it was in good working order, so her story about it NOT working was just another cover-up. I would say she put the gas cans in the "stinky trunk" and perhaps spilled some even, in the hopes it would mask that smell. Why would she not remove the tape from Caylee's face before disposing of her body to make the death look more accidental/less cruel, Perhaps she put that on Caylee's mouth and put her in the trunk right after, and by the time she opened the trunk, maybe 10-12 hours later, Caylee had already begun decomposing in the heat of the trunk in the Florida sun in dead summer. Perhaps it was just too gruesome at that point to rip the tape off since tissue and hair would have to be ripped off along with the tape. why would she put the body there by her own house,Most mothers who murder their children dispose of the body within one mile of home-statistical fact. why would she go so ridiculously far as to put a heart sticker on the tape to link back to herself and her use of hearts on photos? That was her idea of a funeral and she never thought anyone would find the body anyhow. Why would she use bags from the family home and other items from the family home and then leave the matches of these items still in the family home? Because she was in a hurry and had murdered her child...Also what about the fact that KC was living and "working" (helping at Fusian) around so many other people, any of whom could have potentially accessed Caylee, KC's Pontiac, and the items in the pontiac? There is nobody who could have "accessed" Caylee unless Casey put her in their care. If THAT was the case, then she would have said that instead of the ludicrous nanny story she inevitably told. Casey had the control of her car and even talked about the stench and thinking dead animals were in the engine, and then even referenced having gotten rid of the smell, of having scraped it off the frame. She was full well aware the smell of death was in her car and was busily covering that with stories and dryer sheets. What about the people other than KC with access to the family home? Having "access" to the family home, and driving around with your dead child in your trunk and then throwing her out like garbage are 2 different things. There is NOBODY who had access to ALL: ie; Caylee, Casey's car, Casey's home after Casey left out the door with Caylee...that was ONLY Casey. etc I definitely don't rule KC out either, but don't any of these points give a little pause? Not a bit. Sorry, back to topic. I'm not saying LE ever set out to frame KC, by the way.

LE did not NEED to frame Casey. Her own lies did that quite nicely.

What resources did they have to find their missing child really? 2 feet to walk on, 2 hands to knock with, a mouth to plead with the "kidnappers", a mind to THINK with and a heart to FEEL the truth. I mean, what can a parent or grandparent of a missing child do They could have ONCE pleaded with whomever they were claiming had Caylee to return her to them unharmed...beyond begging LE and the public to look for the child, They could have not called the media and the public maggots and said if Caylee was dead it was the fault of those mentioned. They could have appealed in a more appealing manner...more flies with honey type situation...getting their picture out there and appealing to the public, driving around aimlessly hoping to see them, trying to get any information you can that might lead to them, hiring a private I etc? Would a parent/grandparent look for the child's body in swamps and woods, especially while praying and hoping that the child is alive, I don't know. I have not often seen families do that in cases like these. Because you can imagine, who could spend time looking for a body when you think your child is still out there alive somewhere? The only catch is they did NOT think she was out there somewhere. They smelled the decomposition smell in the car, and BOTH had smelled that smell prior to that date and KNEW that nothing else smells like that. They knew there was a dead body in the car and Cindy even said so-smells like a dead body in the damned car...They KNEW and they pretended and covered for their princess... Though I'm not ruling out that there could have been obstruction of some kind, I'm not sure. And I do agree there were many strange, inexplicable behaviors on the part (certainly of KC) and possibly the family.

Yeah, like why did they need to talk in CODE again if there was nothing to hide and her story was true? Why? There is absolutely NO reasonable explanation for speaking in codes if there is nothing to hide. Also-no pleading for the safe return of Caylee-that's a biggie. Also Casey's insistence that she could not help further unless she was set free...what? Why not...she would know the same information inside or out, so why could she only share it if she was free? Because THAT was the only thing on her mind. How about her remark on that phonecall with her mother, Lee and Christina when she says "All you all care about is finding Caylee"...DUH! What a small mind that woman has!

This is probably just slightly off topic but in relation to KC's instructions from ZFG - does LE have a copy of these instructions? I seem to recall KC saying ZFG gave her written instructions. Has anyone seen these? And most importantly, has LE seen this list?

She later changed this to she was given the instructions online...almost all of her communications were online according to Lee in his depo...and we know good and well there were no such communications...so...:bang:

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

The whole bunch of them should face Obstuction Of Justice...JMO.

So do I. "Take your flunkies and get out of here" keeps ringing in my head. What a disgusting and ungrateful thing to say to LE, who have spent many many hours trying to solve the murder of your granddaughter.

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

If a "kidnapper" had taken Caylee and given Casey the instructions she has claimed to her family-I am 100% sure that THE number one instruction would have been DON'T TELL LE MY NAME! Now, in the telling of the Sawgrass story and then the telling of the Blanchard Park story, one fact remains the same-her name was Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales. If said kidnapper had indeed given instructions and Casey was told NOT to go to LE period...then what must the kidnapper have thought when she saw her name plastered all over creation? How was THAT following the script Casey dear? And how were you protecting Caylee again from the big bad babysitter? By revealing her rank, name and serial number? It doesn't wash Casey and the fact that you nor anyone else in your family told this NEW improved story to LE says it all. First YOU did not call the police when you claim Caylee was originally kidnapped by ZFG at Sawgrass and THEN you and your family do not bother to clue LE in to the fact that -Oh yeah, it wasn't where I said, it was somewhere else where Caylee was kidnapped from...So what NOW becomes a NEW lie from the original statement?

Thank you! I have been saying this FOREVER. If KC was following the script or protecting Caylee or her family from Zenaida, WHY did she immediately tell everyone ZFG's name?! It drives me CRAZY that no one ever seems to ask this or question the A's about it. I wanted Mr. Morgan to ask Lee that SO bad in the depo. When Lee, while laughing, said "Well, if someone has your child and tells you to do something, then you do it." Mr. Morgan should have said "Well, really? Wouldn't you think one of the instructions would be, don't tell anyone who will listen my name over and over again?" KC couldn't tell LE the JBP story because she was following instructions to protect Caylee, but it was okay for her to tell them the kidnapper's name? I would have LOVED to have seen Lee try to answer that one.

 

[magic-cat]

Thank you! I have been saying this FOREVER. If KC was following the script or protecting Caylee or her family from Zenaida, WHY did she immediately tell everyone ZFG's name?! It drives me CRAZY that no one ever seems to ask this or question the A's about it. I wanted Mr. Morgan to ask Lee that SO bad in the depo. When Lee, while laughing, said "Well, if someone has your child and tells you to do something, then you do it." Mr. Morgan should have said "Well, really? Wouldn't you think one of the instructions would be, don't tell anyone who will listen my name over and over again?" KC couldn't tell LE the JBP story because she was following instructions to protect Caylee, but it was okay for her to tell them the kidnapper's name? I would have LOVED to have seen Lee try to answer that one.

I know, it's like, DUH! You told the ONE thing she would NOT have wanted you to tell...what matters after that?