Anthony's Finally Doubt Casey's Innocence?

[radio]

Amen Sista! It is the responsibility of an adult to advocate for the child, you are a true child advocate and we need more people like you.

I think everyone here would do the same in the same situation. Everyone wishes the Anthony's had gotten in front of this tragedy as well. But, they didn't. Hopefully a lot of people with adult children with children and on the edge will learn something. We can hope.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

I am so frustrated with the false information that media people like NG and many here, for that matter, propagate like a cancer, out of control. If anyone cares to hear the truth, and listens carefully to what the reporter is asking, then the answer Brad Conway gives has a different meaning. The reporter is talking about the suicide note saying George staunchly defends her innocence and then goes on to imply that Casey's friends could be responsible. She asks if the Anthonys believe that, and do they still believe in her innocence? His answer is, "They don't know. They don't know, and none of us know. She then asks if he would to as far as to say they now have doubts about her innocence and he clearly says, "No, I wouldn't go as far as to say that. They don't know." Now, if it is true that George wrote this in his letter then he couldn't be doubting her innocence. Brad Conway had an opportunity to deny that statement was in the letter but he didn't.

Twisting people's words and taking them out of context is why it is nearly impossible for her to ever get a fair jury. NG and all like her should have their platform taken away. They are a disgrace to truth, justice and integrity. I learned a long time ago to believe nothing but what I see in the official documents or from the mouth of the person themselves.

Connie

 

[Angelonline]

Other than speculation are we 100% sure they lied and covered up? Not being snarky -

Yes we are positive. CA lied under oath. She also lied to the media many many times that were later proven to be false. She also lied in her taped interviews with investigators.

 

[MaraSleuth]

Yes we are positive. CA lied under oath. She also lied to the media many many times that were later proven to be false. She also lied in her taped interviews with investigators.

Well that makes a difference.:furious: Thanks for the info! i wish i would have followed this case from the start - it's been hard catching up.

 

[Gma Kat]

Perhaps the A's have come to the realization that their daughter (when/if convicted on first degree murder charges) will be safely tucked away in a jail cell.

They won't have the luxury of constant protection/supervision.

If they continue to deny KC's involvement,even if the evidence prooves otherwise, they will in fact be in their own prison (public scrutiny) of their undying disbelief of their daughters guilt.

Perhaps it's in their best interest to show some shadow of doubt regarding KC's innocence to preserve their public persona.[/QUOTE]

My bold
I've wondered when this would happen...

 

[zadari]

Yes we are positive. CA lied under oath. She also lied to the media many many times that were later proven to be false. She also lied in her taped interviews with investigators.

then cindy will have her day in court by the proper authorities and charged if this is the case .. she wont get away with it .

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I think everyone here would do the same in the same situation. Everyone wishes the Anthony's had gotten in front of this tragedy as well. But, they didn't. Hopefully a lot of people with adult children with children and on the edge will learn something. We can hope.

Yes - we can. I hope that the publicity about Caylee's death, along with the warning signs that her grandparents and others missed, will result in saving several little ones at risk.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I think everyone here would do the same in the same situation. Everyone wishes the Anthony's had gotten in front of this tragedy as well. But, they didn't. Hopefully a lot of people with adult children with children and on the edge will learn something. We can hope.

Not to mention that hopefully every Child Protection Agency will learn something too! Child Protection Services really needs to start being alot more receptive to a family member who reports concern for a child's welfare. IMO

 

[Gma Kat]

I was thinking all along that they were trying to put reasonable doubt out there. I do believe LE has all it needs to convict, however, if no body had ever been found, and the grandparents using every opportunity to get it out there that Caylee had been kidnapped, the "sightings" etc. I believe that there may be a juror or two out there that might vote not guilty due to reasonable doubt.

I started thinking the same thing before too long....it was the only explanation to me as to why they were being to vocal with the media and so camara friendly. Spreading reasonable doubt. Smoke and mirrors....

 

[Gma Kat]

Not to mention that hopefully every Child Protection Agency will learn something too! Child Protection Services really needs to start being alot more receptive to a family member who reports concern for a child's welfare. IMO

Amen.........................

 

[Cerenity2u]

In his suicide note, didn't GA claim that KC is innocent?

IMO what is being reported about the suicide note is speculation to a few leaks about it's contents. It's possible that this claim could have been taken out of context. Perhaps GA meant that he believes KC would never "intentionally" hurt Caylee. Maybe he is facing the horrible facts that KC did indeed have something to do with Caylee's death, as in an accident rather than purposely? Therefor in his mind KC would be innocent of the 1st degree murder charge. Purely speculation on my part.

 

[lin]

This time last year, the Anthonys probably would have made this kind of statement too.
What happened to Caylee is unfathomable to any person and until you are in that situation, there's no way to tell exactly what you would have done in a similar situation, I don't care how many times you say otherwise.

Respectfully, it's not as if this situation is really all that unusual -- didn't Susan Smith, Andrea Yates and most other parents who murdered their children have parents or other family members? Close friends?

From my observation, in cases with which I am familiar, the big difference is that most family members tend to behave as the previous poster suggested. Most often, family members accept the obvious and painful truth very early on, rather than go on media tours decrying every bit of evidence pointing toward their loved one, even claiming that 'science is just science' and 'that dead body in my granddaughter's car was not my granddaughter' etc.

When I read a post wherein the poster believes they would not generally behave as the Anthony family has behaved, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they would not. After all, by my observation, the odds are greatly in their favor. Furthermore, I'll assume they base that on their life experience, knowing they haven't spent their child's life enabling, even aiding and abetting at times, their other crimes, or at the least, continually covering for them and doing everything in their power to avoid consequences being suffered by their loved one.

When I read a post wherein the poster is unsure of how they would behave, I also accept that as a true statement. Perhaps they do not have children or have very young children or were blessed with very good children and don't have the life experience to make an informed estimate of potential future behavior under similar circumstances. But again, perhaps one with an opposing viewpoint does.

Given their statements early on, I think it's possible, at a very vulnerable time, they allowed themselves to be talked into their 'state of denial' and subsequent actions by some with, at best, very questionable motives. And there is a real possibility in my mind that at least some of their behavior was orchestrated by the defense. Denial or no denial, some of the things they've said and done make no sense to me otherwise.

Was going for my two cents, you got about $3.25. Ooops.

 

[Gma Kat]

Respectfully, it's not as if this situation is really all that unusual -- didn't Susan Smith, Andrea Yates and most other parents who murdered their children have parents or other family members? Close friends?

From my observation, in cases with which I am familiar, the big difference is that most family members tend to behave as the previous poster suggested. Most often, family members accept the obvious and painful truth very early on, rather than go on media tours decrying every bit of evidence pointing toward their loved one, even claiming that 'science is just science' and 'that dead body in my granddaughter's car was not my granddaughter' etc.

When I read a post wherein the poster believes they would not generally behave as the Anthony family has behaved, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they would not. After all, by my observation, the odds are greatly in their favor. Furthermore, I'll assume they base that on their life experience, knowing they haven't spent their child's life enabling, even aiding and abetting at times, their other crimes, or at the least, continually covering for them and doing everything in their power to avoid consequences being suffered by their loved one.

When I read a post wherein the poster is unsure of how they would behave, I also accept that as a true statement. Perhaps they do not have children or have very young children or were blessed with very good children and don't have the life experience to make an informed estimate of potential future behavior under similar circumstances. But again, perhaps one with an opposing viewpoint does.

Given their statements early on, I think it's possible, at a very vulnerable time, they allowed themselves to be talked into their 'state of denial' and subsequent actions by some with, at best, very questionable motives. And there is a real possibility in my mind that at least some of their behavior was orchestrated by the defense. Denial or no denial, some of the things they've said and done make no sense to me otherwise.

Was going for my two cents, you got about $3.25. Ooops.

VERY well said. Heck, I've got to repeat it, VERY WELL SAID!

 

[Trino]

Just an observation...

There certainly are more cases in the US where a parent killed their own child, and each of those killed children had grandparents. It would be interesting to do a comparison of grandparents in similar situations to see how they reacted. Maybe some denied as much as Cindy and George but didn't get media attention as C&G did. But, more than reactions, how did they deal with it?

 

[jujube]

I think it was simply a matter of time. Our minds insulate us from pain we cannot bear. The realization dawns slowly and more gently so that we don't go insane. Poor George--I think he knew, and then repressed in order to emotionally survive.

I've never found their behavior to be surprising. Grief does astounding things to a person. And their grief is enormous.

I agree. Many state what they would do or how they would feel but until put in a position of staggering tragedy we don't know what we would do.

With George and Cindy, I see it as they concentrate on Caylee hoping against hope that she is still alive. Those hopes are dashed.

Ok, someone else did it. Those hopes are dashed when they realize that only someone with access to their home could have put Caylee's toys in the bag with her.

Cindy wants George to choose jewelry for Caylee's remains. It is more than he can bear and he has a smashdown.

 

[natsound]

Oh, they knew. And I think the evidence from the scene just fits right in with what is missing from the house. They probably know the laundry bag is missing too. Who knows, maybe that laundry bag didn't hold laundry at all. It could have served as a toy bag, when Casey emptied it to "use it" the little horse just was left in the bottom of the bag. Seems plausible to me.

I'm not convinced they really knew all along, for several reasons. First, GA and Ca always seemed to believe KC's outrageous lies in the past. When she was obviously pregnant at Rick's wedding, CA said something like "she would have to have sex to get pregnant!". Read Rick's emails to CA after Caylee's disappearance. He calls her stupid for believing everything KC says and does. It's quite amazing the extent to which CA and GA have believed her in the past. They seem to have hunches about her, but they don't follow their gut, perhaps out of fear of "rocking the boat"; they knew she was fragile and prone to erupting.

With something as drastic as the murder of their granddaughter, with so much on the line, I can't see CA and GA suddenly changing their tune. Yes, they knew something was wrong right away, hence the 911 calls, the initial jailhouse conversations, GA initially telling officers he thought KC was hiding something. But then, they pushed those hunches to the back of their minds and searched high and low for any string to hang on in support of KC.

Secondly, the A's are simply not very smart, IMO. They enabled KC, they enabled the protestors outside their house, and they haven't played the media right.

 

[eddeva]

Respectfully, it's not as if this situation is really all that unusual -- didn't Susan Smith, Andrea Yates and most other parents who murdered their children have parents or other family members? Close friends?

From my observation, in cases with which I am familiar, the big difference is that most family members tend to behave as the previous poster suggested. Most often, family members accept the obvious and painful truth very early on, rather than go on media tours decrying every bit of evidence pointing toward their loved one, even claiming that 'science is just science' and 'that dead body in my granddaughter's car was not my granddaughter' etc.

When I read a post wherein the poster believes they would not generally behave as the Anthony family has behaved, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they would not. After all, by my observation, the odds are greatly in their favor. Furthermore, I'll assume they base that on their life experience, knowing they haven't spent their child's life enabling, even aiding and abetting at times, their other crimes, or at the least, continually covering for them and doing everything in their power to avoid consequences being suffered by their loved one.

When I read a post wherein the poster is unsure of how they would behave, I also accept that as a true statement. Perhaps they do not have children or have very young children or were blessed with very good children and don't have the life experience to make an informed estimate of potential future behavior under similar circumstances. But again, perhaps one with an opposing viewpoint does.

Given their statements early on, I think it's possible, at a very vulnerable time, they allowed themselves to be talked into their 'state of denial' and subsequent actions by some with, at best, very questionable motives. And there is a real possibility in my mind that at least some of their behavior was orchestrated by the defense. Denial or no denial, some of the things they've said and done make no sense to me otherwise.

Was going for my two cents, you got about $3.25. Ooops.

*my bold.

yes - exactly - thank you.

it is not possible to speak for another person and state that they do or do not know what they would do, regardless of the severity of the situation. too many people post that if you have not suffered something tragic in your life you cannot gauge your reaction. how do they know the poster has not? they do not.

 

[lin]

Well that makes a difference.:furious: Thanks for the info! i wish i would have followed this case from the start - it's been hard catching up.

Hopefully someone will be able to direct you to the specific LE interview wherein they confront Cindy with her lying and how it's not helping the investigation. Didn't slow her down a bit, unfortunately, but the tape is out there somewhere.

 

[lin]

I'm not convinced they really knew all along, for several reasons. First, GA and Ca always seemed to believe KC's outrageous lies in the past. When she was obviously pregnant at Rick's wedding, CA said something like "she would have to have sex to get pregnant!". Read Rick's emails to CA after Caylee's disappearance. He calls her stupid for believing everything KC says and does. It's quite amazing the extent to which CA and GA have believed her in the past. They seem to have hunches about her, but they don't follow their gut, perhaps out of fear of "rocking the boat"; they knew she was fragile and prone to erupting.

With something as drastic as the murder of their granddaughter, with so much on the line, I can't see CA and GA suddenly changing their tune. Yes, they knew something was wrong right away, hence the 911 calls, the initial jailhouse conversations, GA initially telling officers he thought KC was hiding something. But then, they pushed those hunches to the back of their minds and searched high and low for any string to hang on in support of KC.

Secondly, the A's are simply not very smart, IMO. They enabled KC, they enabled the protestors outside their house, and they haven't played the media right.

I cannot agree more with your 3rd paragraph, bolded by me, and agree with most of the rest of your comments.

I'm writing to remind you of George asking LE to tell him first so he could break it to his wife; admitting there was a dead body in the trunk but denying it was Caylee without offering any other possibility; and the ever changing stories (lies) told by both George and Cindy. If they were sincere in their beliefs, there would be no need to lie. Instead, they would tell a fairly consistent story throughout, but they have not. Did you see the excellent youtube video that was posted recently showing some of their taped contradictions? One of the 'inconsistencies' in the video, iirc, was George telling LE in a private interview George set up, that 'in his professional opinion...' it was the smell of death, juxtaposed with George on LKL saying 'in his professional opinion the smell was pizza. Rut roh, let's not forget, there wasn't any pizza in the car, just a box! And on and on and on. I'm sure there's a thread somewhere devoted to the lies. And when the lies are malignant enough that LE calls one in and asks one to stop it, that it's hurting the investigation, which at that time was looking for a 'live Caylee,' well, imo, there's only one conclusion that can be drawn. Intentional, deliberate, knowing and very calculated.

 

[jujube]

Respectfully, it's not as if this situation is really all that unusual -- didn't Susan Smith, Andrea Yates and most other parents who murdered their children have parents or other family members? Close friends?

From my observation, in cases with which I am familiar, the big difference is that most family members tend to behave as the previous poster suggested. Most often, family members accept the obvious and painful truth very early on, rather than go on media tours decrying every bit of evidence pointing toward their loved one, even claiming that 'science is just science' and 'that dead body in my granddaughter's car was not my granddaughter' etc.

When I read a post wherein the poster believes they would not generally behave as the Anthony family has behaved, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they would not. After all, by my observation, the odds are greatly in their favor. Furthermore, I'll assume they base that on their life experience, knowing they haven't spent their child's life enabling, even aiding and abetting at times, their other crimes, or at the least, continually covering for them and doing everything in their power to avoid consequences being suffered by their loved one.

When I read a post wherein the poster is unsure of how they would behave, I also accept that as a true statement. Perhaps they do not have children or have very young children or were blessed with very good children and don't have the life experience to make an informed estimate of potential future behavior under similar circumstances. But again, perhaps one with an opposing viewpoint does.

Given their statements early on, I think it's possible, at a very vulnerable time, they allowed themselves to be talked into their 'state of denial' and subsequent actions by some with, at best, very questionable motives. And there is a real possibility in my mind that at least some of their behavior was orchestrated by the defense. Denial or no denial, some of the things they've said and done make no sense to me otherwise.

Was going for my two cents, you got about $3.25. Ooops.

A very big difference between Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, and Casey is that Casey and Caylee lived with the family. It is often harder to see changes in people that live under the same roof. I would think that it would also be harder to accept that someone who shared your home would be capable of murder.
Another difference with Yates is that it was known to her family that she wanted to get help but her husband didn't think that she needed it.