Anthony's Main Mission Now: To Protect Casey

[joypath]

Any prescription in Caylee's name would have also had the doctor's name on the label.

Maybe it was from one of those walk-in clinics/walk-in emergency places, so there would be no further information?

ummmmmmm, even "doc in a box" as the free-standing clinics are adorably nicknamed MUST start a chart on each and every patient that presents. And my investigators are very very very good at reaching out to them to perform a John/Jane Doe chart search if needed, PLUS with the coverage this case received, betcha the Health Information/Medical Records departments went into a search mode just to AVOID long drawn out visitations from folks with legal documents!

oh yeah, that Genta label was a fount of information also, pharmacies can be VERY helpful in decedent medical histories

 

[Numbers]

ummmmmmm, even "doc in a box" as the free-standing clinics are adorably nicknamed MUST start a chart on each and every patient that presents. And my investigators are very very very good at reaching out to them to perform a John/Jane Doe chart search if needed, PLUS with the coverage this case received, betcha the Health Information/Medical Records departments went into a search mode just to AVOID long drawn out visitations from folks with legal documents!

oh yeah, that Genta label was a fount of information also, pharmacies can be VERY helpful in decedent medical histories

So from this we can assume that Caylee had no significant or out of the ordinary medical issues?

[Serious question - I'm not in the medical field.]

 

[countzero]

ummmmmmm, even "doc in a box" as the free-standing clinics are adorably nicknamed MUST start a chart on each and every patient that presents. And my investigators are very very very good at reaching out to them to perform a John/Jane Doe chart search if needed, PLUS with the coverage this case received, betcha the Health Information/Medical Records departments went into a search mode just to AVOID long drawn out visitations from folks with legal documents!

oh yeah, that Genta label was a fount of information also, pharmacies can be VERY helpful in decedent medical histories

Oh Joypath ... thank you, thank you ..... Exactly what I was attempting to say. Records matter.

I do understand what you are saying about the Caylees doctor not being involved in the case. Just bothers me because Caylee's autopsy was on her tiny bones and the small amount of hair found. And more so because of all the lies from the As about Caylee and their immediate dismissal of Caylee then painting CA and ICA as "mothers of the year". OK I am finished with this since you have explained in detail. Again, much appreciated.

 

[joypath]

So from this we can assume that Caylee had no significant or out of the ordinary medical issues?

[Serious question - I'm not in the medical field.]

From what I read in the report WITHOUT seeing the original DATA or ANY POST MORTEM X-RAYS, Caylee was NOT being treated for any significant underlying medical conditions by any physician. (no leukemia, no osteosca, no hepatitis B or C from mommy, no diabetes, no renal disease)

IS THAT THE SAME AS DID SHE HAVE ANY ISSUES: NO!

There may have been DEVELOPING issues from XYZ experiences within Caylee's young life.....and NO WAY am I going to speculate without any data to defend OR disprove any theory.. There may have been UNDIAGNOSED celluar issues (think renal, cardiac, endocrine, etc or even dental as she had not yet been to a dentist) but her overall VISIBLE health appeared to be within the standard normal percentiles of growth and development. Issues regarding psychological/behavioral development might have been ready to surface, who knows but NONE of this data impacts on the presentation of the skeletionized remains.

 

[Melanie]

Just speaking from experience here - but when my son was young (2/3) he had at least a dozen doctor visits. I'm including vaccinations, annual check ups, multiple ear infections, a high fever. These are just things I remember off the top of my head. He still has the same doctor since the day he was born -- she even checked him out right after he was born.

I would assume "caring grandparents" would make sure Caylee was checked out and had all her shots, and at least an annual check up.

MOO

Mel

 

[faefrost]

Just speaking from experience here - but when my son was young (2/3) he had at least a dozen doctor visits. I'm including vaccinations, annual check ups, multiple ear infections, a high fever. These are just things I remember off the top of my head. He still has the same doctor since the day he was born -- she even checked him out right after he was born.

I would assume "caring grandparents" would make sure Caylee was checked out and had all her shots, and at least an annual check up.

MOO

Mel

There was mention early on that GA and CA among other things paid for all of Caylee's doctor bills etc. So I think the assumption has always been that yes she did receive proper pediatric care as a result. besides which given how completely meticulous George and Cindy are about certain very visible aspects of their life I think avoiding proper medical care for Caylee would have been extremely out of character for them. KC sure, she surely would have ignored or avoided it. Ciindy, I really don't see it. Granted she ignored and denied KC's pregnancy, but I can't really see that extending to Caylee. If anything I would think she would swing completely to the other side, and shop around multiple doctors for every little cough or sniffle until she would find one that would agree to whatever her fear was that day..

Also keep in mind that Caylee's medical records, beyond that information listed in the coroners report would probably not be automatically released under the FL Sunshine Laws. In this case Federal HiPPA laws most likely take priority. Under HiPPA a treating doctors office cannot even publicly state or admit that Caylee was a patient, let alone give any details of care. (Lawyer and legal types help me out here, I seem to remember reading somewhere that the major automatic exceptions to the sunshine laws included certain information about children, and personal medical records. Am I recalling that correctly?)

 

[txsvicki]

What George and Cindy are doing to try and protect Casey is working. People talk about them and their behavior more than is ever said about Caylee or the one who is accused of premeditated murder. The fact that Casey is a grown woman and probably a psychopath with other mental problems is almost overlooked along with the dangers, lies, manipulation, etc. that affects everyone involved with such a person. Casey had so many victims from neighbors, boyfriends, employers, grandparents, to simple acquaintances that it is mind boggling. I just hope the jury that is chosen hasn't read or seen all the stuff that's been said about the family because it will definitely influence them to blame others instead of completely focusing on the one who actually harmed the little girl.

 

[joypath]

What George and Cindy are doing to try and protect Casey is working. People talk about them and their behavior more than is ever said about Caylee or the one who is accused of premeditated murder. The fact that Casey is a grown woman and probably a psychopath with other mental problems is almost overlooked along with the dangers, lies, manipulation, etc. that affects everyone involved with such a person. Casey had so many victims from neighbors, boyfriends, employers, grandparents, to simple acquaintances that it is mind boggling. I just hope the jury that is chosen hasn't read or seen all the stuff that's been said about the family because it will definitely influence them to blame others instead of completely focusing on the one who actually harmed the little girl.

And after ALL this above has been said and done, we the people still go into a courtroom and have a jury decide the case based on the evidence (circumstantial & direct) presented under the rules of juris prudence. THAT is where the true decision is rendered: guilty or not of the crime. Ask folks who have sat on a jury deciding a case of such a magnitude, the IMPACT of the decision and the NEED/obligation to follow the Judge's "rules" of case law is/was OVERWHELMING!

 

[LinasK]

There would be no violation of medical law or ethics. Cindy is an RN, she is fully qualified to give routine injections such as those used for immunization. Most public health departments are staffed by RN's and probably in excess of 90% of the childhood inoculations are administered by nurses not MD's with no doctor present. This is nothing out of the ordinary. In modern medicine the largest role played by RN's is monitoring, control and delivery of patient medications. If a doctor gave her the script or the meds CA could have given the shots. For some things such as the childhood immunizations she may not even need a formal individual script. Although there should be some formal record of them somewhere for later purposes. (If she did the shots herself all she would need to do would be to bring the dated vials to the next pediatrician they visited and they would have been recorded in the chart.)

Thanks! That's what I thought...

 

[LambChop]

Okay, I feel better that at least Caylee had a doctor in charge. jmo

 

[NocturnalLady]

ITA It doesn't make sense that they think that protesting Casey's innocence would help her in any way considering the mountain of evidence against her. The best thing they could have done for her would have been to plead with her to come clean and tell LE what she knew, especially once the findings of decomposition in the car came back from the FBI. It's such a bad strategy, do they genuinely think it will work? However, if they go in the other direction they're opening up the door to their own culpability.

I think they are protecting themselves from:

a) falsely accusing Casey's friends in the early days of the investigation and the possible lawsuits for defamation coming their way post trial.

b) backing down from their stance and therefore admitting they played a role in actively covering up for their daughter.

c) the questions which will no doubt follow once they admit that they accept that Casey did this. If they back down from the Casey is a wonderful human being argument to the Casey is a murderer then the next set of questions they'll be asked is about signs they noticed in Casey that things were 'not right' before all this happened.

d) admitting their role in the drama leading up to the death of Caylee

e) accepting that they raised a cold blooded killer, who didn't show one single sign of remorse, discomfort or anguish after murdering her own adorable baby girl, and who could drive around with Caylee's decomposing body for 2.6 days, handle that corpse herself, and get on with her life as if nothing was wrong because nothing was.

....and apart from the above, what do they know that we don't know? What other secrets are there? Did Casey ever threaten them with 'You'll never see Caylee again' do they know of other signs that happened at home leading up to this, more 'red flags'? Were there other signs of abuse? Did Caylee say something to Cindy? Did Casey tell them something after the crime and they knew Caylee wasn't 'missing'?

There are some hard truths to face here, and a lot of questions they don't want to answer.

Wish I could thank that post a thousand times!

 

[kaRN]

Taking this from the opposite side of the spectrum, what if they really DO WANT her convicted or put away?

She would scare the holy-hell out of me.

I would wonder about the "household weapons" search, the fact that she had told Amy that she could move into the house; that her parents were divorcing and giving her the house.

So, they do what they can/what Casey would expect them to do in standing behind her, but, knowing that she did indeed do this.
They are torn between cutting those ties, and suffering Casey's wrath, or, letting her believe that they are behind her.

Cause honest to God, they HAVE to know that everything points to their daughter, and that everytime they open their mouths, they are making the states job easier, IMO.

Remember GA bought a gun when KC was released home on bond. GA the ex LE who would have known, should have known better. GA who no doubt had read the bond agreement before allowing LP's folks in his home. I've always wondered who he felt he needed protection from and I don't think it was the bondspeople.

 

[kaRN]

Thanks! That's what I thought...

They're administered at schools or clinics though LinasK. Not by Gma's in the kitchen. Vaccines are tracked, chain of custody and all, just like evidence. You can't just get a vial of pertussis vaccine prescribed to administer later at home and if a child requires ongoing injections, a parent or the child him/herself will be trained to give them. No RN required.

I'm of the school of thought Caylee received the same loving care as Casey did when her female problems were ignored. :twocents:

 

[zippitydoda]

As a special kind of ICA "thank you" to CA for all of her efforts now - I'm hoping, within a year of ICA’s conviction, while cooling her heals in prison, and realizing that her BFF won't be handling her appeal and she's out of $$$, she'll begin to weigh her options. Could I expect that, in an effort to ruin what’s left of the Anthony’s, she’ll tell the tales about the evening of the 16th, and spill her guts on how mommy and daddy dearest forced her to lie, and it was CA & GA who conceived of the cover up plan?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Oh yeah.....she'll definitely be taking the family down with her! I'm not even sure we'll have to wait that long.

 

[LancelotLink]

Was just listening to the JG interview with LE where they asked him about the tip he received concerning Casey at JB's office saying JG had killed Caylee and had access to Casey's car and Cindy was backing Casey up with all of this. I love the fact that LE had to point out to JG what that meant, which was Cindy KNEW back then that Caylee was dead. September 8, 2008.

 

[countzero]

Dang, finally finished CAs 2part SAO deposition. Sheeze ...... knowing what we know today, by way of the A's media blitzes to save ICA, it really was enlightening to read all of her "mis-truths", I call then lies, about events.

She peppered so many of them (lies, some humdingers too) throughout that one has a choice to:

A) Believe CA and all the other people LE interviewed lied

or

B) Believe everyone else and CA lied.

HUMMMMMMM ..... einny minny minny moe ..... I choose .........

The As don't appear to be on a mission to save ICA. They may spout this, but they need ICA to be convicted so CA can turn her role into becoming a martyr. We all have witnessed them doing more harm than good for ICA.

Nope, their mission is for a conviction.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Was just listening to the JG interview with LE where they asked him about the tip he received concerning Casey at JB's office saying JG had killed Caylee and had access to Casey's car and Cindy was backing Casey up with all of this. I love the fact that LE had to point out to JG what that meant, which was Cindy KNEW back then that Caylee was dead. September 8, 2008.

Poor Jesse, this is after they polygraph yes? He must have been beside himself with all of this. Diabolical to try and blame Jesse for all of this to be sure.

Just listening to it again....how's the comment he makes about 11 mins in when George pulls Jesse aside and says 'you don't need to be around Casey because she has some problems we need to get her help for' and later 'she's not a good person right now, she's not in a right place'. I'd sure like to know what they knew about Casey they didn't want anyone else to know even back in 2007.

I was listening to Richard Grund's interview last night where he asked LE if Jesse 'had a problem' during RG's interview his voice was breaking throughout the entire interview.

So sad.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

What George and Cindy are doing to try and protect Casey is working. People talk about them and their behavior more than is ever said about Caylee or the one who is accused of premeditated murder. The fact that Casey is a grown woman and probably a psychopath with other mental problems is almost overlooked along with the dangers, lies, manipulation, etc. that affects everyone involved with such a person. Casey had so many victims from neighbors, boyfriends, employers, grandparents, to simple acquaintances that it is mind boggling. I just hope the jury that is chosen hasn't read or seen all the stuff that's been said about the family because it will definitely influence them to blame others instead of completely focusing on the one who actually harmed the little girl.

This is why it's a crime this trial is taking so long. There is NO excuse for it. We're going on the third year and this is not a complicated case. Sick sad and disgusting.