Any BDI's around?

[Peepers]

Every day Im more convinced.

 

[DeeDee249]

Every day Im more convinced.

Me, too.

 

[SunnieRN]

The statements above totally changed the way I thought about Burke Ramsey. Very sad, the life he had.

 

[Peepers]

The statement convinced me how sick he is. Thats not normal behavior after your sister has been murdered in your house. Hes not scared?????????? Even if it was his parents that killed her, he should be scared.

 

[SunnieRN]

I agree. I have been talking about his lack of fear for quite some time now. Also the fact that when John woke him up that morning, telling him he was going to the Whites, there were no questions. Nothing about police in the house, what was happening, where JonBenet was. Nothing. If he was totally innocent, he was also totally devoid of curiosity, which is near impossible when it comes to a 10 year old.

He also didn't mind leaving his parents. No problem with being shuffled off, despite the fact they were supposed to have gone on a family trip that morning and then on a Disney cruise a couple of days later.

No questions, fear, or curiosity. If you have any children, you know this is not even a little bit realistic.

 

[Tadpole12]

language skills of children:
Stories for kids by kids
6th grade
http://www.bedtime.com/html/james__dilemma.htm

 

[Tadpole12]

a 99% chance of ......

http://www.writersarea.com/kids/ss/KS13.shtml
age 11

 

[joeskidbeck]

"where did you find her body", respectfully snipped.

Does anybody else think BR may have asked this question while his mom was on the 911 call? If I recall correctly, those of us who heard the enhancement thought he said "what did you find?", what if his next question was "where"? Of course by then the recording had ended, but what a smoking gun that would have been!

ETA: That would also explain John saying "we are not speaking to you" because he would have believed BR was guilty of her death. Of course, that could have been exactly what Patsy wanted John to believe.

 

[UKGuy]

dunno about you but this kid creeps me out

http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm

BURKE'S INTERVIEW



On January 8, John and Patsy took Burke to the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot, Colorado, through arrangements made by the Boulder Police department, to be interviewed by Dr. Suzanne Bernard, a specialist in child psychology. As is customary in interrogations of children, Dr. Bernhard played a game with Burke throughout the interview and the entire interview was videotaped.



When left alone with the psychologist, Burke appeared to be at ease and even told the doctor that be felt safe, even though he did say that he had not wanted to come that day! Dr. Bernhard thought it was unusual for this child to feel safe. "People in this entire town didn't feel safe with the concept that there was someone running around that could be snatching children, and this was his own sister and happened in his own home. Generally speaking, a child who goes through this kind of trauma, where a sibling or a family member has been killed, they don’t feel safe.



Burke described his father as quiet and that he was "always at work", and that his mother "worked as a mom'. The thing he liked most about his mom was that she gave him lots of hugs and kisses, and the thing he liked most about his dad were "planes". Throughout the interview he showed little warmth towards his family, but at the same time was very protective of them. According to Burke, the worst thing they did was not buy him, expensive toys. Dr. Bernhard explained that most children in interviews will discuss things about the family that angers them even if they love them, but Burke appeared to have difficulty in opening up about his family, similar to children who can't say things, because they feel that there are some things they shouldn't say.



Social Services had previously provided Dr. Bernhard with some history on Burke which indicated an ongoing bedwetting problem, but Burke denied this saying that it happened a long time ago. Children are usually honest about this in interviews, and Dr. Bernhard wondered why Burke was not.



Many of Burke's other responses also created areas of concern for the doctor. Burke displayed an enormous amount of lack of emotion, almost to the point of indifference, which Dr. Bernard explained may be attributed to shock, but could also have been a lack of attachment to his family. Since his mother had appeared very emotional when she brought Burke for the interview, Dr. Bernard thought that perhaps Burke could not deal with the family’s emotions and had therefore just withdrawn. Even in response to questions which should have elicited strong emotions, he remained non-expressive. When asked “How have things been since your only sister died?”, Burke responded, “It’s been okay.” And when asked if he missed her, he said, “Yep.” Burke continuously told Dr. Bernhard that he tried to forget about things and just play his Nintendo.



'When asked to draw a picture of his family, he drew a father figure who was distanced from Burke, a mother figure which was the smallest figure in the picture, and JonBenet was not in the picture at all. Dr. Bernhard interpreted the drawing to suggest that Burke felt his father was not emotionally available to him and that his mother was insignificant and did not have a great deal of power. Dr. Bernhard thought it extremely abnormal that JonBenet was not in the family picture at all, since her heath had occurred only 13 days prior. Most children continue to include deceased siblings in family drawings years after the death because it is too devastating for them to think about the loss. Burke also told Dr. Bernhard that he was “getting on with his life.”, another very abnormal reaction for a child who had so recently lost his sibling.



When specifically discussing the crime, he related that he did not hear any noises that night and that he was asleep, but he admitted that he usually hears when someone opens the refrigerator door downstairs. Dr. Bernhard asked what he thought happened to his sister. Burke, showing the first signs of irritation during the interview, responded, "I know what happened, she was killed.” Burke's explanation to the doctor was “someone took her quietly and took her down in the basement took a knife out or hit her on the head." He said that the only thing he asked his dad was "where did you find her body", a highly unusual query from a child considering the possible questions a child might ask about the death of a sibling.



Dr. Bernhard felt there needed to be more follow-up with Burke in the discussion of sexual contact. The only show of emotion by Burke, other than the irritation with the questions about the actual crime, was when Dr. Bernhard began to ask about uncomfortable touching. Burke picked up a board game and put it on his head an action indicating anxiety or discomfort with these types of questions and that there was more that he was not telling her. Dr. Bernhard asked Burke if he had any secrets, and he said, “probably, if I did, I wouldn't tell you, because then it wouldn’t be a secret.

madeleine,

Dr. Bernhard asked Burke if he had any secrets, and he said, “probably, if I did, I wouldn't tell you, because then it wouldn’t be a secret.

This demonstrates how clever he thought he was. The hypothetical if suggests neutrality , but is then followed up with childish logic e.g. I wouldn't tell you, because then it wouldn’t be a secret.

So Burke seems to be saying : Well I have some secrets, and to remain secret means I will not be telling them to you

That is Burke seems aware of the applicability of [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellian_intelligence[/ame] but falls down by telling Dr. Bernhard he has some secrets.


Thats very similar to Patsy in an interview when she says something like dont go there pal.

BDI does not need a sexual motive, since that aspect can be explained away as part of the staging.

Other unexplained features can be integrated into a BDI by assuming a second party does not want the sexual assault to be prominent in the staging.

Thus explaining away the need for the size-12's , longjohns, and Patsy's lies regarding the size-12's.

That is neither Patsy or Burke required size-12's for their staging e.g. pedophile homicide.

So if you opt for BDI and are willing to drop chronic molestation then a near perfect fit can be arrived at, possibly with some tweaking at the edges?


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[joeskidbeck]

The BDI theory makes sense and the sad part is that if it's true, we will never know for sure!

 

[UKGuy]

The BDI theory makes sense and the sad part is that if it's true, we will never know for sure!

joeskidbeck,

You never know Burke might need feel the need to divulge the truth one day.

I reckon he will make some gesture , particularly once his father passes on, then any allegiance is weakened.

Then there is the question why state they wish to question Burke if indirectly they already know he cannot ever be a suspect?

I never heard about anyone else being re-questioned, did I miss out here?


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[madeleine]

I THINK Hunter was pressured to clear BR,why was that a priority?The cops weren't after him.Especially since they all made a huge mistake by thinking,he's 9,he couldn't have done this.BS.There are so many cases about 7,8,9 years old who did HORRIBLE things!

And take a look at this,interesting

Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter is among those who privately considered the possibility that Burke played a role in the death of his sister. "I wonder if Burke is involved in this," Hunter mused out loud one day, former Boulder police detective Steve Thomas wrote in his book.

Hunter declared publicly in 1999 that Burke wasn't a suspect in his sister's death. But later events suggested that statement wasn't as definitive as it seemed. In 2000 Hunter refused a request by Ramsey attorney Wood to sign a statement declaring under oath that "all questions related to" Burke's "possible involvement" in the death of his sister "were resolved to the satisfaction of investigators." He also refused to declare that Burke "has never been viewed by investigators as a suspect." Nor would he say that Burke "has not been and is not a suspect."

Hunter did, however, agree to language in which he declared that "no evidence has ever been developed ... to justify elevating Burke Ramsey's status from witness to suspect," and there is nothing in the transcripts of the interviews of the Ramseys to suggest any such evidence was developed.

So whatever Hunter's suspicions about Burke, he wasn't able to substantiate them.


http://www.crimemagazine.com/solving-jonbenet-case-0

 

[madeleine]

And then there's the confusion (lie?) re the pineapple and BR's prints on the tea glass.

 

[madeleine]

It's BEYOND my understanding why they focused (or maybe just pretended or were pressured) on Patsy.ST gave JR the pass,why on earth when doctors claimed JB was previously molested,wth?
"He was just 9" isn't an excuse to give BR the pass either.

Something is so wrong with how this investigation went.

I hate to repeat myself but sometimes I think they all agreed for PR to be the nr .1 suspect because they all knew the truth and decided to cover it up. (BDI or JDI)

There is NOTHING out there that proves PR killed JB and it couldn't have been one of the other two present in the house,nothing.
Her writing the RN (IF true) only proves she knows what happened,nothing more.And to ME it makes more sense that she protected someone else.

She was the strong one,look at those men.......son&dad......cowards!Cowards then,cowards now.

 

[madeleine]

yeah maybe it sounds silly but I can't stop wondering whether ST being on such a huge PDI mission was his own idea.he doesn't seem a stupid guy but his PDI arguments are ridiculous and I will never ever get why he simply ignored JDI and BDI,never.maybe pointing fingers at PR was part of another plan,how convenient for everybody since they knew very well that she can't be charged because she didn't do it.

:twocents:

 

[joeskidbeck]

isn't it possible that Steve Thomas was only pretending to believe in JR's innocence? Maybe he wanted to develop a good relationship with him so that JR might spill the beans on Patsy? In this case anything is possible.

UKGuy, I've often wondered if the GJ determined that BR was responsible; hence the total silence. Of course this doesn't explain why SG is still investigating the crime unless the results were kept so secret that even he doesn't know the outcome! After all, we know that BR could not even be named a suspect and they could not have declared the case closed without an announcement of "who done it".

For sure, if BR is guilty, we won't know unless he decides to confess and ease his conscience.

 

[DIRK SCHILLER]

The statement convinced me how sick he is. Thats not normal behavior after your sister has been murdered in your house. Hes not scared?????????? Even if it was his parents that killed her, he should be scared.

well in my opinion he wasn´t scared because if he killed his sister by accident, there was no bad guy or monster out there, so he did feel safe

 

[Peepers]

well in my opinion he wasn´t scared because if he killed his sister by accident, there was no bad guy or monster out there, so he did feel safe

exactly!

 

[madeleine]

ST page 22

So when officer French saw him (BR) being taken away,he went over to talk to the boy.But John Ramsey intervened.The father told the policeman that Burke didn't know anything and he slept through it all...

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TT: (Inaudible) That Detective (inaudible). You woke up Burke and got him out of the house, how did that all come about?

JR: Well when the Whites came, Burke was still asleep. And we decided it was best for him to go away to Whites house. And I don’t know what time that was, but I got him up I think, as I recall, and Fleet took him over, I think to their house. And they had guest company there, so there was somebody there to watch the kids.

TT: (Inaudible)

JR: Right.

TT: Did you help burke get dressed that morning or . . .

JR: I don’t remember how Burke got dressed.

TT: And did you take him over to the Whites, or did somebody else do that?

JR: I think Fleet took him over, as I recall. I didn’t.

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6 LOU SMIT: You say that Burke left. Do you

7 recall the circumstances surrounding Burke leaving

8 how he got involved in that?

9 JOHN RAMSEY: Vaguely. I went into his room

10 to wake him up. I told him that JonBenet was

11 missing, gone. I remember him crying and just kind

12 of hustling to get up. I remember him delaying to

13 get a toy or Nintendo or something like that

14 before he left to take with him. Fleet took him in

15 his Suburban. They went out the front door.

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how did he know whether BR knew anything or not?when did he even ask BR whether he saw/heard anything or not?

 

[joeskidbeck]

respectfully snipped:
how did he know whether BR knew anything or not?when did he even ask BR whether he saw/heard anything or not?

The most likely possibility is that BR already knew everything that happened so it wasn't necessary for John to ask him anything. The Ramseys made so many mistakes and told so many lies that it is almost a joke that they were never arrested. I've heard the BPD referred to as "Keystone Cops" here a lot. I know all the reasons why but, in my opinion, the biggest blunder was made by whoever stopped the arrest of the Ramseys!