Anyone going to watch the movie, Flight 93?

[IdahoMom]

The terrorists would have succeeded if they would have kept people off their cell phones. Americans WERE taught to not fight and just sit calmly and behave if hijacked. Think about it, most ended with the terrorists landing somewhere and giving up.

That's what I said to my husband last night. And thank God they called their family members and learned that the highjacker's demands HAD NOT been met!

I just don't see where those four scrawny animals could have kept passengers at bay. I just don't see it. Give me a metal tray as a knife shield and my belt wrapped around my fist with 2 feet and the buckle to swing like a whip and even the smallest person would make a formidable foe. I wouldn't worry that much about the box cutter to be honest.....a nasty slash would be the worse you could get. I bet if one of them saw all 6'3" of me heading their way they would have wet themselves!

All I know is that if I am in a public place and I ever hear anyone say or yell Allahu Akbar I will freak on them regardless of what they are doing.

Me too! I wanted to jump through the TV screen last night!

I heard that one too many times in videos of them attacking our soldiers.....a buddy of mine came back on leave and had confiscated a video (insurgent proof that they exploded the IED) where when the IED went off about a mile away, you could hear them whispering Allahu Akbar....Allahu Akbar.....Allahu Akbar. It was chilling. Then in a moment of brevity our Apache Gun ships showed up (they insurgents fear them the most because they have heat sensing equipment that can find these camel jockeys hiding in the weeds and they show up out of nowhere). These idiots see the Apache behind them and scream in that sort of comical arab accent ALLLAHHH AKKKBARRRRRRR! They are meeting the hijackers shortly thereafter.

Cal

That story warms my heart! :clap:

 

[calus_3]

Here is a great article on flight 93 and the human interaction:

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/TotW/flight_93.html

Now, I gotta calm down and get back to work! It angers me that despite all of this, there are those who would trade our national security for votes.

Cal

 

[dark_shadows]

I got to meet Lisa Beamer when she came to one of our Sam's to sign her books. She was very sweet.

Hi Kato,
That is so good that you took the time to go see Lisa and to meet her.I could not go back home to go in may of 2002 when the post office dedicated itself By Act Of Congress to Todd.Lisa and Todd's father David were there.My sister attended.

 

[MrsMush99]

I watched the show last night. It was heartbreaking and felt so real to me. At one point I was shaking with anger at these animals. I don't think I will ever get over what happened that day.

 

[dark_shadows]

Tonight on A&E is another documentary on at 8pm.It is entitled "The Last Hour of Flight 11".
It is about the flight the went into the north tower of the WTC.

 

[dark_shadows]

Also right after that show is another showing of flight 93.

Rick Riscorla devised the evacuation plan after the 1995 arrest of one of the masterminds in that bombing.(Ramzi Yousef)
The FBI agents flew by helicopter over the twin towers to bring him to court.When they were over the towers Yousef stated to the agents that he regretted not blowing the towers up,but others will make sure it is done.
The exact words were said were made public on the news that night after he was taken from court.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I can't watch it....I did see the lead in shows the previous two days about the engineering, etc. I saw the preview of the young girl calling her mother and their interaction and it was just heartbreaking.

I think they need an all 9/11 channel where they show this stuff 24x7. The show with Robert Deniro hosting it that showed footage from within the lobbies during the attacks was sobering. Shots of firemen going up and the thud of bodies exploding from jumpers. The firemen were getting upset saying "Stop jumping we are coming to get you" while waiting in line for the stairs. Heros....heros.

Never forget, never forgive.

Cal

Bob DeNiro's a prince. Friend of mine worked for him and Harvey (Keitel) at their restaurant in Tribeca, and on that morning he'd sent her out to pick up something for the kitchen (I forget what), and she stopped at the ATM at the corner of Canal. There was this huge explosion and suddenly she felt herself being pelted by something like rain--turns out it was gobbets of human flesh.
She had to have PTSD counseling, which DeNiro paid for out of his own pocket. She was so traumatized by the situation, she couldn't bring herself to go anywhere near the restaurant, so he set her and a couple of other girls who had simialr fear repsonses up in their own business as interior decorators.She's since handle the interior decorating for Billy Crystal, Danny Aiello, and Christopher Walken.
As for Kylie--yeah, yeah.yeah, America's evil and everything wrong in the world is directly tied to Bush and no one else. Every American owes it to the world to kill themselves right now. It must be nice having that simplified a view of the world. Saves a lot of thinking.

 

[calus_3]

Man, Billy that is bad....I think I would have PTSD also!

Robert Deniro to me sounds like he is really a stand up guy. I understand he did a lot to try to revitalize the Tribeka or Tribeca area after 9/11. I would love to meet him some day.

Cal

 

[IdahoMom]

Thanks for sharing that story about Robert Deniro, BGG.

I'm sorry for what your friend had to experience, but I am happy things are turning around for her.

I appreciate your perspective.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Also right after that show is another showing of flight 93.

Rick Riscorla devised the evacuation plan after the 1995 arrest of one of the masterminds in that bombing.(Ramzi Yousef)
The FBI agents flew by helicopter over the twin towers to bring him to court.When they were over the towers Yousef stated to the agents that he regretted not blowing the towers up,but others will make sure it is done.
The exact words were said were made public on the news that night after he was taken from court.

Are you talking about the 1993 bombing?
I wonder if that has anything to do with them choosing flight 93?

 

[dark_shadows]

Are you talking about the 1993 bombing?
I wonder if that has anything to do with them choosing flight 93?

Hi PrayersForMaura,
OMG... I did not even think of the numbers until your post!
It is just coincidence I am sure but good observation

When Yousef's apartment was raided in Manila in 1995,plots to kill the Pope were found and also plans to use 12 aircraft all at once in the U.S. was discovered.The name for it was Project Bonjinka(means loud bang).They already had terrorists going to flight school to learn to fly a plane,not to land it.They only wanted them to learn to fly since the landing part was not in the plot.

 

[concernedperson]

The movie last night on A & E was excellent. Of course I cried like a fool but I think the tears were sent to heaven. Sometimes we have to look at the ugliness and sometimes we just have to respond with horror and pain. All day today it is the only topic of conversation. From the grocery store, to the best buy guy, to friends on the phone.No one I have talked with or been with today was not fully aware of this program.A & E deserves kudos for a job very well done. I saw Alice on CNN earlier and she was so appreciative. I just wanted to hug her again.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Thanks for sharing that story about Robert Deniro, BGG.

I'm sorry for what your friend had to experience, but I am happy things are turning around for her.

I appreciate your perspective.

Yer welcome. My perspective comes from having lived in NYC for nearly 5 years. I personally missed getting caught in the first WTC bombing by a half hour. If I hadn't decided to walk home via Chinatown to pick up some spices and a cheap calculator instead taking the subway like I usually did, I could have ended up buried in the collapse, when the parking garage fell into the train station/tunnels below.

 

[close_enough]

Tonight on A&E is another documentary on at 8pm.It is entitled "The Last Hour of Flight 11".
It is about the flight the went into the north tower of the WTC.

was going to post this also...getting settled in to watch....

 

[KrazyKollector]

Are you f'ing crazy? Shot down? Come on.

Look at the crater! If it was shot down. there would be pieces of it laying everywhere all over creation for several miles. Heck if you look at the impact zone, you can see where the fuselage went in with in tact wings on each side of it. An exact outline of where the plane went in nose first. If you listen to the cockpit recording, there was a hell of a fight in that cockpit and the muslim terrorist hijackers or the folks that rushed the crew put that plane in the ground. There were witnesses to the event.

IMHO, we don't need this conspiracy theory garbage. I guess Israel was really responsible for the twin towers collapse too?

This is an insult to the memory of those on that plane.

Cal

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Family members heard the cockpit tapes and heard their loved ones fighting for control. That's enough for me......

I would say more but I need to go meet Elvis, Jimmy Hoffa, and JFK at the 7-11 to share a Slurpee.....:innocent:


PS--I thought the movie was VERY well done. The Mom and daughter talking just killed me though, as did Mark Bingham and his family's phone call.
I think we've all learned that in a hostage/highjack condition, we must not take a passive role any longer. Highjackers have no conscience and hold no value to their lives or their hostages.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Yer welcome. My perspective comes from having lived in NYC for nearly 5 years. I personally missed getting caught in the first WTC bombing by a half hour. If I hadn't decided to walk home via Chinatown to pick up some spices and a cheap calculator instead taking the subway like I usually did, I could have ended up buried in the collapse, when the parking garage fell into the train station/tunnels below.

Wow, I hadn't even thought of all the people who died around and below the building. I wonder how many were hurt or fatally wounded from the garage falling into the train station.

This whole thing just brings back so many memories. I will never forget certain images like when I turned on the TV just after the 1st tower had been hit and seeing the second plane flying into the 2nd tower. And I'll never forget seeing the towers just crumble down like some scene from a movie ... like it was just a sand castle.
And the scenes of people running on the street were just like something out of a movie, too, like I don't know... the movie where the meteor hits and floods NY. I mean, NY has always been portrayed in movies as the city to be sunk, hit, blown up, destroyed... and there on that day as I was watching it on TV, I couldn't believe it was real. It just seemed like another scene from another one of those special effects movies.

I can't begin to imagine how people's lives have been affected by living through that and personally being there, seeing it live or losing someone ... or narrowly escaping death there themselves.

And it's just not NY! The pentagon and flight 93 and their families, friends, co-workers, neighbors, people on the street.
My God, it must've really seemed like the world was going to end.
I know to me it did, as I was witnessing it on TV, but to be there, or to be personally in it in some way, shape or form... I can't even imagine being more fearful, more confused, angry, dazed, hurt than I am as just someone looking in from the outside.

And as crazy as it is ... I still think about all those who lost their lives who were single and had pets at their homes waiting for them to come home. I think of weird things like that.
And it bothers me.

I just hope that our national defense can prevent something like this from happening again. No one should have to go through this again. We shouldn't have to even witness that, much less lose someone like that.

 

[MrsMush99]

Wow, I hadn't even thought of all the people who died around and below the building. I wonder how many were hurt or fatally wounded from the garage falling into the train station.

My memory could be faulty on this one, but I remember them evacuating all the train stations, and stopping service.

ETA: Before the towers collasped.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I watched all the movies - cried a lot.

I have a question: It was my understanding that the actual voice recordings were never released to the public. That a special "listening" session was held for family members only.

Did that change somewhere along the way?

I know there have been several movies made about Flight 93 - with re-creation of what is thought to have happened - but did not think the actual tapes had been broadcast.

Can someone clear this up for me?

 

[dark_shadows]

I watched all the movies - cried a lot.

I have a question: It was my understanding that the actual voice recordings were never released to the public. That a special "listening" session was held for family members only.

Did that change somewhere along the way?

I know there have been several movies made about Flight 93 - with re-creation of what is thought to have happened - but did not think the actual tapes had been broadcast.

Can someone clear this up for me?

Hi AlwaysShocked,
The voice recordings were withheld from the public due to the fact that they were being used for trial.The federal prosecutors refused to release them until after the trial of Moussaoui(the 20th highjacker.)
April of 2005 Moussaoui plead guilty to 6 charges.
It was only after that fact that the tapes could be released.
When the family listened to the tapes,they were not allowed to record the recordings.They were also not allowed to take notes.
I hope that helps you.

 

[calus_3]

Hi AlwaysShocked,
The voice recordings were withheld from the public due to the fact that they were being used for trial.The federal prosecutors refused to release them until after the trial of Moussaoui(the 20th highjacker.)
April of 2005 Moussaoui plead guilty to 6 charges.
It was only after that fact that the tapes could be released.
When the family listened to the tapes,they were not allowed to record the recordings.They were also not allowed to take notes.
I hope that helps you.

Dark is right....they didn't release them.

However, I heard a tape from somewhere perhaps I confused it with one of the other planes. In fact, I think it was the Atta plane.....yep, that's it. Sorry was confused.

Cal