Anything New?????

[daffodil]

Blown up and cropped?

 

[colomom]

Blown up and cropped?

No Daffodil, not cropped. If it had been cropped close enough to remove the elbow it would have looked like this (I cropped the original, big version):

Notice how much closer the left edge of the picture is to her hat? I cropped it as close to the elbow as I could get. Others can try and see if they get a different result.

But, a more important question....WHY?

Why would someone (and WHO) try to remove the elbow from a picture used on the altar of the church. For what reason?

 

[ThoughtFox]

Did you see these photos?

*note this pic from the PDL church altar

*note this close-up of the original and the altar pic above. In the original (large view here: http://tinyurl.com/2lfu2n ) you can clearly see GM's elbow very close to Maddie's head.

So, where is the elbow in the altar pic. :waitasec:

Lots more here: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=9782

They've obviously put it in Paint or Photoshop and covered the elbow, and maybe part of the sister. I did this one in Paint by copying jaggedy pieces of other rocks and pasting them on top of eachother to make it look natural. Then with the beach part, I just put a box around it and dragged it to the left.

One thing I learned is that someone has added a dark line on the rocks that would be behind Gerry's elbow. I had to do another cut and paste job to get that to look natural. So someone took some time to artistically do that right.

Maybe they just wanted the elbow out of there, but again it makes me wonder at the minute details the McCanns think about in this situation. There were other pictures of Madeleine that are just as cute as that one that could have been used, or they could have cropped it as Colomom did.

Another strange thing!

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

No Daffodil, not cropped. If it had been cropped close enough to remove the elbow it would have looked like this (I cropped the original, big version):

Notice how much closer the left edge of the picture is to her hat? I cropped it as close to the elbow as I could get. Others can try and see if they get a different result.

But, a more important question....WHY?

Why would someone (and WHO) try to remove the elbow from a picture used on the altar of the church. For what reason?

The most telling flaw of these pictures to me is the rock formation in the wall behind Madeleine. If you look at the wall approx. in the same level to where her right ear should be (left side of her head between her and Gerry) the deep crevice of the rock formation is not the same. In the altar picture, it is almost parallel, (vertically) with her hair, but in the pic with her sis and Gerry, it is partially covered by Gerry's elbow, and several inches from her hair...

What I'm trying to say is, in one pic the crack seems to blend in with her hair, the other it is very clearly seen...make since?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

They've obviously put it in Paint or Photoshop and covered the elbow, and maybe part of the sister. I did this one in Paint by copying jaggedy pieces of other rocks and pasting them on top of eachother to make it look natural. Then with the beach part, I just put a box around it and dragged it to the left.

One thing I learned is that someone has added a dark line on the rocks that would be behind Gerry's elbow. I had to do another cut and paste job to get that to look natural. So someone took some time to artistically do that right.

Maybe they just wanted the elbow out of there, but again it makes me wonder at the minute details the McCanns think about in this situation. There were other pictures of Madeleine that are just as cute as that one that could have been used, or they could have cropped it as Colomom did.

Another strange thing!

I didn't see your post when I wrote mine...sorry to basically repeat your rock wall info. :blowkiss: Regardless if she was cropped out, or added to the picture later, it is very strange they would go through so much trouble...it's pretty natural to have elbows and sibling body parts in kids pictures.

 

[ThoughtFox]

It's possible that they had a picture of that same stretch of wall from another shot, and they cut out Maddie from one picture and superimposed her face over the wall by herself. What alot of trouble when there are so many pics of her.

My point was that I had to "create" the line on the wall that is behind Gerry's elbow. It looks natural but it's totally made up by me - it's not really there, and I have no idea if the wall really looks that way or not.

There's something symbolic about creating this "illusionary" photograph of Maddie, but I just don't feel philosophical enough to go into it.

You could use the word "fake" or "airbrushed." It's possible that her hair looks different in one because they embellished that too. How sad.

 

[Texana]

I agree that someone spent a lot of time making the photo look natural without the elbow. Maybe someone did it as a kindness--"Here, I'll make sure the photo of Madeleine for the altar looks nice." But the thought would just never to occur to me--crop the photo maybe but enhancing it? To use one of the banned phrases--"It is what it is" and that is, a photo of a little girl having a great time with her family on vacation. Isn't that enough?

I think I get what you are saying, Thoughtfox.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I agree that someone spent a lot of time making the photo look natural without the elbow. Maybe someone did it as a kindness--"Here, I'll make sure the photo of Madeleine for the altar looks nice." But the thought would just never to occur to me--crop the photo maybe but enhancing it? To use one of the banned phrases--"It is what it is" and that is, a photo of a little girl having a great time with her family on vacation. Isn't that enough?

I think I get what you are saying, Thoughtfox.

Yes - exactly.

 

[daffodil]

I agree.Far too many conspiracy theories IMO.

 

[colomom]

But..... could Gerry have risked DP showing up while Kate was still cleaning up? How would Kate have explained that?

What do you think about the "accident" actually happening on May 2nd? I wonder if any of the Tapa7 can recall actually seeing Maddie on May 3rd? I know there is the staff at the creche, but because they saw Maddie everyday maybe they just thought she was there, when she really wasn't it?

Salem

More regarding the May 2nd theory.

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34680

*offering a big bucket of salt to take with you*

 

[colomom]

I agree.Far too many conspiracy theories IMO.

Isn't it fun?!?!

 

[Texana]

More regarding the May 2nd theory.

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34680

*offering a big bucket of salt to take with you*

Now, that was interesting.

There was a conspiracy one way or another that involved Madeleine. It's just a matter of figuring out which one is the true one.

 

[Salem]

Very interesting! I did not realize there were already 24 pages of speculation about the May 2nd theory. Some of the stuff said by Coldwater makes sense, however, I would really like to know who his sources are!

Things I found interesting included the comments about Kate cleaning the apartment at 4:00 a.m. after Maddie went missing, turning away the cleaning lady and the CCTV at the doors of the creche and the Kid's club. Also, that Gerry was not playing tennis but was actually at a sportsarena.

I don't remember seeing any of this stuff before.......

Salem

 

[Texana]

Very interesting! I did not realize there were already 24 pages of speculation about the May 2nd theory. Some of the stuff said by Coldwater makes sense, however, I would really like to know who his sources are!

Things I found interesting included the comments about Kate cleaning the apartment at 4:00 a.m. after Maddie went missing, turning away the cleaning lady and the CCTV at the doors of the creche and the Kid's club. Also, that Gerry was not playing tennis but was actually at a sportsarena.

I don't remember seeing any of this stuff before.......

Salem

Me, neither. Definitely worth a second look.

 

[Texana]

One thought about the May 2nd scenario: The McCanns have never, to the best of my knowledge, acknowledged what Madeleine did that day or any specifics about the family's activities/timeline. In fact, answering specific questions about the timeline was one of the areas Kate refused to answer.

The only specific comment I remember about that day was Kate saying that Maddie said "Mummy, I've had the best day ever" as she was put to bed.

Colomom, am I just getting tired and sloppy-minded, or is that right?

 

[philamena]

Anyone think the picture was cropped so Maddie was the only one in the picture since that picture was placed on the alter?

Or is there a reason Gerry's elbow and Maddie's sister's arm should be cut out? I'm confused.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Wow - I just read the 24 pages on the Mirror forum. That's a wild spin, if it is true.

Did the nannies at the creche lie about Maddie being there on the 3rd?
Did Kate not have tea at the creche with the kids the way the nannies said?
Was it one of the twins calling out and crying on the night of the 2nd?
What does Mrs. Fenn know?
And how many of the Tapas Nine know what really happened, and how many were involved in a cover-up?

Anyone think the picture was cropped so Maddie was the only one in the picture since that picture was placed on the alter?

Or is there a reason Gerry's elbow and Maddie's sister's arm should be cut out? I'm confused.

It's probably better not to worry about it - we'll never know.

 

[colomom]

One thought about the May 2nd scenario: The McCanns have never, to the best of my knowledge, acknowledged what Madeleine did that day or any specifics about the family's activities/timeline. In fact, answering specific questions about the timeline was one of the areas Kate refused to answer.

The only specific comment I remember about that day was Kate saying that Maddie said "Mummy, I've had the best day ever" as she was put to bed.

Colomom, am I just getting tired and sloppy-minded, or is that right?

Pretty close Tex, the only other thing I remember was KM talking about a dance recital that the kids had practiced and was to be performed on May 3rd. They may have been reports of KM taking the kids to the beach or the pool at lunchtime that day. Funny thing is I don't remember any of the nannies that were interviewed mentioning the dance recital...:waitasec:

It is getting easier to get "sloppy-minded" with all the rumor and conjecture we have read over the last 8 months!

I will spend some time searching today and see what else I can find.

 

[colomom]

Anyone think the picture was cropped so Maddie was the only one in the picture since that picture was placed on the alter?

Or is there a reason Gerry's elbow and Maddie's sister's arm should be cut out? I'm confused.

I can't think of a reason why anyone would crop (actually alter) the photo. What would be the point? If they just wanted the picture to be entirely of Maddie cropping it like I did above, would be much simpler than the Photoshop-like operation necessary to remove GM's elbow. Another thing that doesn't make sense.

 

[Salem]

The picture does not make sense. I would like to knowthe date it was put up on the alter. If it was put up within days of Maddie missing, it seems no one would have the inclination, time or presence of mind to spend time doctoring the photo. However, if it was a week or two, it could be that one of the kids that helped with the website offered to do the picture for the McCanns.

I think it is helpful to keep in mind that the McCanns do have some pretty connections. There are the "computer" kids that helped with the website which appear to be quite talented, all the media folk, the money men, and of course the Prime Minister himself. So really, the McCanns have been able to accomplish much, much more in a shorter amount of time than the average family with a missing child.

Just a thought and of course, my opinion only.

Salem