April 29 weekend of Sleuthiness

[ncsu95]

I don't understand all the criticism for the ADAs in this case....the judge in this case, who's job it is to make sure each side plays by the rules, to keep the trial moving, etc has done a very poor job. He, at times, looks like he's in over his head, especially with the more technical testimony.

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The criticism of the ADA is due to the tactics he has employed this trial. Boz has used Gessners lack of understanding technical details to get his way. The "national security" crap and the "expert witness" crap, along with the "rebuttal crap" are the 3 big areas where he has done this. As for the 3rd, it looks like the judge really isn't considering this rebuttal testimony since he is allowing the defense an opportunity to offer rebuttal testimony to it.

 

[otto]

1. BC had other plans with other women? (ala Scott Peterson...)

2. BC didn't want to put up with the rudeness and heavy spending of NC?

3. BC had come to hate NC and couldn't figure out any other way to get on with his life without ending hers?

4. BC was a tad obsessive--look at the ex-fiancee. He may be a little narcissistic. NC was simply an encumbrance and like many other psychopaths, he simply didn't want to deal with her anymore?

5. BC wanted to go to France and play the guitar and sing French songs, and hike in the French countryside with a French woman?

Take your pick...take all of them.

Brad didn't have other plans. Brad was dealing with Nancy's spending by putting her on a very reasonable budget. Divorce allows people to move forward in their lives. Brad isn't a psychopath. There were no plans for Brad to move to France.

 

[otto]

If you have an alibi, you don't have opportunity.

Motive? That's the one thing not in dispute. They were getting a divorce and clearly disliked each other. How many times has one spouse killed another when they could have just got a divorce? Innumerable.

Why is JP a viable suspect? He fooled around with her one night years earlier and that makes him suspicious why? What's the motive? If he did it, he would have had to get up early on Saturday, assumed NC was jogging at 7am, followed her, get her into his car, strangle her (all without being seen or heard), got her clothes off to make it look like a sexual assault...and then not sexually assault her......

Brad has an alibi identical to that of JP.

The number of times that people going through a divorce actually get divorced is rather significant in comparison to spousal homicide. Divorce is not a motive for murder.

Per court testimony, JP is considered a suspect for reasons far more significant than a one night stand.

 

[CarolinaTitan]

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The criticism of the ADA is due to the tactics he has employed this trial. Boz has used Gessners lack of understanding technical details to get his way. The "national security" crap and the "expert witness" crap, along with the "rebuttal crap" are the 3 big areas where he has done this. As for the 3rd, it looks like the judge really isn't considering this rebuttal testimony since he is allowing the defense an opportunity to offer rebuttal testimony to it.

That's exactly what appeals are for. If the judge inadvertently let's the ADA do something improper......the appeals court may overturn...and no one wants that.

This isn't prosecutorial misconduct, it's playing hardball. If you want to see DA misconduct, look up the Ryan Ferguson case.

 

[Tink56]

I disagree. He took care of the daughters frequently. There is also testimony of NC going to DC with friends. He would have had the girls that weekend as well.

See my post below...In summary, a few hours in the evening and a weekend here and there in no way approximates 24/7 childcare without a spouse to help accomplish all that is necessary for active, growing children.

I have the greatest empathy and care for those parents who do this on a regular basis.

BC was simply too detached from "life" to know what growing children need. He would have needed a secretary to tell him about dental checkups, physicals, lessons, classes, sports teams, developmental milestones, etc., etc., etc., MOO, MOO...

 

[otto]

Spending 2-3 hours with your kids before bed is simply a warm-up for 24/7. BC had no idea what being a fulltime parent was like, IMO...(None of us did Before Children...otherwise there were be smaller and smaller families...:crazy

BTW, NC was out at night the last few months, because she did not want to spend the evening at home with BC. He entered; she exited. She was not going to be part of his plan to have a "functional," loveless relationship.

Prior to April of 2008, BC wasn't home in the evenings. Go figure...He became interested in home when he realized he would be obligated to support his ex-wife and children.

What is the motive for murder (excluding divorce)?

 

[CarolinaTitan]

Brad has an alibi identical to that of JP.

The number of times that people going through a divorce actually get divorced is rather significant in comparison to spousal homicide. Divorce is not a motive for murder.

Per court testimony, JP is considered a suspect for reasons far more significant than a one night stand.

Really? So JP was with Nancy from 12:30am to 7am? I thought that was Brad.

Why did Scott Peterson kill his wife? Why didn't he just divorce her?

What are those far more significant reasons....cause I didn't hear any in his testimony?

 

[CarolinaTitan]

What is the motive for murder (excluding divorce)?

NC said they were in hate mode. This could easily have been a domestic fight and BC got pushed over the edge. That's what the CPD theorized happened.

 

[Maja]

most everyone spoke of the missing ducks and then they appear! Reminds me of Michael Peterson and the blow poke

Please elaborate. I'm not following. Thank you.

 

[Tink56]

Brad didn't have other plans. Brad was dealing with Nancy's spending by putting her on a very reasonable budget. Divorce allows people to move forward in their lives. Brad isn't a psychopath. There were no plans for Brad to move to France.

BC should have been making plans, because his marriage was over, as far as NC was concerned, IMO. SO, that in and of itself may have been the motive.

Hmmmm....I don't think that the C's had any kind of understanding about their financial issues. I have not seen testimony to support that premise, MOO. They were, IMO, prime candidates for Dr. Phil and a money makeover. NC didn't seem to feel that THEY had AGREED TO ANYTTHING about the $$$. She was TOLD what was going to happen...IMO, that is not a relationship building tactic.

Divorce would allow NC to move forward. BC seemed to feel it would lead to his financial ruin.

Brad could well be a psychopath. You may want to do some reading on the topic: Here's a quote by Dr. Hare:

In popular usage, almost any crazy killer is a "psychopath." But in psychiatry, it's a very specific mental condition that rarely involves killing, or even psychosis. "Psychopaths are not disoriented or out of touch with reality, nor do they experience the delusions, hallucinations, or intense subjective distress that characterize most other mental disorders," writes Dr. Robert Hare, in Without Conscience, the seminal book on the condition. "Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised." http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/

Brad told Nancy he wanted to move to France. He had a continuing relationship with the young French woman he met on the school trip. IMO, he felt alive and invigorated after that encounter, in that country.

 

[otto]

NC said they were in hate mode. This could easily have been a domestic fight and BC got pushed over the edge. That's what the CPD theorized happened.

I think that information came from the gossipy neighbors and, like so many other things they said, should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[otto]

Really? So JP was with Nancy from 12:30am to 7am? I thought that was Brad.

Why did Scott Peterson kill his wife? Why didn't he just divorce her?

What are those far more significant reasons....cause I didn't hear any in his testimony?

The time of death has not been specified to be between those hours.

 

[otto]

BC should have been making plans, because his marriage was over, as far as NC was concerned, IMO. SO, that in and of itself may have been the motive.

Hmmmm....I don't think that the C's had any kind of understanding about their financial issues. I have not seen testimony to support that premise, MOO. They were, IMO, prime candidates for Dr. Phil and a money makeover. NC didn't seem to feel that THEY had AGREED TO ANYTTHING about the $$$. She was TOLD what was going to happen...IMO, that is not a relationship building tactic.

Divorce would allow NC to move forward. BC seemed to feel it would lead to his financial ruin.

Brad could well be a psychopath. You may want to do some reading on the topic: Here's a quote by Dr. Hare:


Brad told Nancy he wanted to move to France. He had a continuing relationship with the young French woman he met on the school trip. IMO, he felt alive and invigorated after that encounter, in that country.

Divorce is not a motive for murder. Some of Nancy's friends said that Nancy complained that $300 pocket money per week was not enough, other friends said she didn't mention a word about it. One husband said that Nancy said she was going to "play up" that Brad wasn't giving her money, and everyone said that Nancy exaggerated and embellished everything she said.

I know enough about the psychopathic and sociopathic personalities, or should we say antisocial personality disorder. Brad is not a psychopath.

Brad wanted to move to France, Nancy wanted to move to Canada, neither was moving anywhere.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I don't understand all the criticism for the ADAs in this case....the judge in this case, who's job it is to make sure each side plays by the rules, to keep the trial moving, etc has done a very poor job. He, at times, looks like he's in over his head, especially with the more technical testimony.

Second, it seems to me, as a newcomer, that most people on this board are of the opinion that BC is innocent (or guilty...but blame the CPD and DA for screwing up the case). Now, I'll agree that the ADA has wasted much time on irrelevant testimony. Sometimes, less is more or you risk losing your audience. The ducks, the necklace, gossip ad nauseum all cloud the real proof and the real issues.

A) Could the CPD rule BC out as a suspect? No
B) Did BC have Means, Motive, Opportunity? Yes
C) Were there any other viable suspects? No
D) How many "coincidences" or mismatching facts must it take before one says "ok, that's one too many"
E) The defense may talk about "spoilage"...but the only files(s) related to that google map search are relevant. The rest is diversion.
F) I'm not sure why the defense introduced the jogging route and timeline for NC...because the 6:55am to 7:11am elapsed time from house to where the Food Lion guy said he saw her contradicts the more precise testimony of Rosemary Zednick at 7:10am. Secondly, I don't see NC as the type shopping for meat at Food Lion.
G) On that point, eyewitness testimony is the worst type of evidence.
H) This is a purely circumstantial case...but people have been convicted on less evidence.
I) Lastly, while not necessary, there is no proof he didn't do it besides that phone call. If the Cisco router info comes into testimony and shows he had the means to place a call to himself.......that's zero.

Thank you, CarolinaTitan! Finally someone I can 100% agree with! There are many here I agree with, but not when it comes to being overly critical with the ADA's and CPD. Det. Young admitted what happened with the cell phone while he was on the witness stand. He made his statements and acted like a man. (I still think BC had tampered with the cell before even Young did.) The ADA's were just doing their jobs.

I agree it is up to the judge to run (and control) his courtroom. He has even come across as having been unsure of himself at times, IMO. Much time has been totally wasted. The court day is very short after all of the breaks and long lunches. The judge, IMO, made a mistake when he gave this jury every Friday afternoon off. I have never seen this in a trial. Much of the wasted time has been the judge's and some of the juror's fault, IMO.

I also do not crucify CPD, nor the ADA's. It is easy for us to sit here and criticize after the fact. Could any of us have done so much better? I think not. All were doing thir jobs. I do agree very much with 'sometimes less is more'. JMO

* This comment is not addressing your post at all, but I believe there will be a 'guilty' verdict in this case. There are no coincidences in real crime. Keep it simple and stick to the facts.

**I have never claimed to be an English or grammar major, so forgive any typos, grammar, and the spelling of some words!!

 

[Tink56]

Divorce is not a motive for murder. Some of Nancy's friends said that Nancy complained that $300 pocket money per week was not enough, other friends said she didn't mention a word about it. One husband said that Nancy said she was going to "play up" that Brad wasn't giving her money, and everyone said that Nancy exaggerated and embellished everything she said.

I know enough about the psychopathic and sociopathic personalities, or should we say antisocial personality disorder. Brad is not a psychopath.

Brad wanted to move to France, Nancy wanted to move to Canada, neither was moving anywhere.

BBM...I believe you may have found the motive. When two opposing forces meet head on, generally the stronger, faster one destroys (kills) the smaller.

BC literally, IMO, became the stronger, angrier force. Something was going to happen. When two people who have different goals are trying to occupy the same space, it is inevitable that there is a resolution, one way or the other.

 

[otto]

BBM...I believe you may have found the motive. When two opposing forces meet head on, generally the stronger, faster one destroys (kills) the smaller.

BC literally, IMO, became the stronger, angrier force. Something was going to happen. When two people who have different goals are trying to occupy the same space, it is inevitable that there is a resolution, one way or the other.

Wanting to get divorced and move on with life is not a motive for murder. Millions of couples are faced with that situation and it does not amount to a motive for murder.

 

[LaLaw2000]

:abduction:..............................Poof!

 

[Tink56]

:abduction:..............................Poof!

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[gracielee]

If you have an alibi, you don't have opportunity.

Motive? That's the one thing not in dispute. They were getting a divorce and clearly disliked each other. How many times has one spouse killed another when they could have just got a divorce? Innumerable.

Why is JP a viable suspect? He fooled around with her one night years earlier and that makes him suspicious why? What's the motive? If he did it, he would have had to get up early on Saturday, assumed NC was jogging at 7am, followed her, get her into his car, strangle her (all without being seen or heard), got her clothes off to make it look like a sexual assault...and then not sexually assault her......

Brad Cooper had the same motive Jason Young had. To be rid of wife. One would think that would be pretty obvious. It's not like we haven't had our share. What motive did Ann Miller have to poison Eric.

 

[Tink56]

Wanting to get divorced and move on with life is not a motive for murder. Millions of couples are faced with that situation and it does not amount to a motive for murder.

Yep....HOWEVER many of the nastiest domestic violence cases and murders are precipitated by divorce actions...

In one Google search of "divorce murder rate" it returned "About 20,100,000 results (0.34 seconds)."

Here's a Blog sampling:

3/30/2011


March 2011 Divorce Violence Headlines

Filed under: Domestic Violence Headlines — angela @ 10:47 am


Most of these women did not think their husbands were capable of murder. These are only a handful of the domestic murders last month. Google divorce murder for more.

Body of Ohio missing mother may have been found
Days after she was abducted, police arrested her estranged husband and his parents. Her mother-in-law allegedly gave her lawyer the location of the body.

Man charged with stabbing ex-wife 84 times
He has pleaded not guilty.

Man charged with killing wife after a divorce hearing
“He’s allegedly left his estranged wife a voice mail reminding her their marriage meant ’till death do us part.’”

Man convicted of attacking his estranged wife’s roommates with a hatchet
“Botched a plan to kill his estranged wife and mistakenly attacked two of her roommates with a hatchet” – sentenced to 30 years.
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