April 29 weekend of Sleuthiness

[NCEast]

Her statement was never followed up by a detective. She says she called CPD several times in the aftermath, and was never called back.

While she may or may not have seen NC, in support of her account - the time it would have taken NC to get to where she was if leaving the house at 7:00 was perfect. If NC left her house for a run at 7:00, then RZ definitely saw her.

If it wasn't NC, then who was it?

I can't imagine that the CPD or the neighborhood would not have been able to find the runner that RZ did see if it wasn't NC.

In fact, I half-expected the pros to march in a handful of women who would testify to the fact that they were running that hour, that morning on those roads...they did not. Maybe in rebuttal? who knows. If there are none in rebuttal, this alone is a serious red flag (IMO) to the pros case. (remember someone else also tesified he saw her running).

The CPD did call her back. They had to play phone tag a few times but eventually they took her statement by phone. Her demeanor as a witness, for those of us who watched her testimony, made it somewhat easy to understand why they didn't place much emphasis on her eyewitness account.

 

[cityslick]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/02/14/989482/state-government-salaries.html

Yep, that is right.

3 years of law school and the lead ADA is making $45,000 ....WOW

He's pretty young, isn't he? So he's not that far removed from law school. You think lawyers make a ton of money right after law school?

That's what every student in law school thinks too until reality hits them when they graduate.

 

[Danielle59]

Well your statement supports the point I was making so let's use it.

JP feared having to pay child support money. (Some say BC also feared having to pay child support money)

Again I ask, how is BC not able to be excluded but JP is?

Plus for JP there is the added information that he is the father of a child that was produced while the woman was married to another man while he was also having a relationship with another woman. He was extremely worried about his reputation which he brought up numerous times.

 

[GhostCrab]

Nobody ever addresses this. JP would have had to drive around Cary looking for NC on her jogging route. He would have had to stop his car and either kill her on a jogging trail - at an hour popular with joggers due to the heat - or force her into his car. He would have driven down Fielding, in a car unknown to neighborhood residents, in broad daylight, and back out again. All this time, however long this would have taken, his children would be home alone. Really? Really??

Edited to include: add in there whatever time it would have taken for him to remove most of the clothes off a dead body. All in broad daylight.

But it's plausible that B left his kids at home while he was running round all morning to HT and dumping a body. How does that make sense?

 

[Just the Fax]

I think JA making statements like 'she would only jog if I was with her' and the whole painting story which to this day we only have her word and no one elses makes her testimony suspect. I think after this past week the jury would agree.

I think she would do anything in her power to make sure he goes to jail, irregardless of the truth. IMO

WOW
Accusing a witness of lying on the stand and committing perjury.

 

[Bottle Cap]

Plus for JP there is the added information that he is the father of a child that was produced while the woman was married to another man while he was also having a relationship with another woman. He was extremely worried about his reputation which he brought up numerous times.

And murdering someone was going to repair his already terrible reputation?

 

[Shadow722]

Assuming Cisco security is proven correct and Bradley was using that FXO capable router at 10PM Friday night, what logical explanation can be offered as to why it mysteriously disappeared the next day????

Since you brought up the fact about BC having a FXO capable router is important , then can I assume that you believe that NC was dead before 6AM.

If she was dead before 6 AM that means logically Bradley made a spoofed call @ 6:40 AM.

If both those statements are your true beliefs, can you now explain how BC made a 32 second spoofed call @ 6:40 AM? No witness for the prosecution has been able to explain a 32 seconds spoofed call. Maybe you can....

Direct witness testimony has been that the duration of an automated spoofed call is 22 seconds. How did he make a spoofed call that lasts 32 seconds????

If the state cannot explain the 32 second call, then NC was alive at 6:40 AM.

If she was alive @6:40 AM, then BC did not do it. If you have another theory, I for one, would like to hear it.

Thanks....

 

[JBean]

Don't what?
The DA office staff salary info is public record.
If you think I posted "grossly inaccurate" information, feel free to offer an opinion other than attacking a poster.:waiting:

since you brought this up in public it is a good time for me to clarify this very point and there are 2 parts to it.

part1- Calling a statement grossly inaccurate is attacking the post and not the poster and is acceptable.
If the poster said, "you are a liar and you are posting inaccuracies" that would be a personal attack and not ok.
Subtle but very different.

But we all need to honest with ourselves as to whether our true motivation is to attack the poster in a round about way by staying within the guidelines. Not saying this is going on here at all,but peeps try to skirt the rules like this all the time

Part2- If someone says that information is grossly inaccurate it would be good form to supply the accurate information to show the foundation for the statement.
Not trying to single either of you out, but this is an ongoing issue and thought it good opportunity to clarify.


hope that helps and thanks for letting me "use" you guys.

Please no response necessary and do not want to derail this thread. But when there is confusion I try to clear it up so no one gets in trouble.

ETA: If anyone makes a statement as fact at any time it is always good form to link to the source for clarity.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Nobody ever addresses this. JP would have had to drive around Cary looking for NC on her jogging route. He would have had to stop his car and either kill her on a jogging trail - at an hour popular with joggers due to the heat - or force her into his car. He would have driven down Fielding, in a car unknown to neighborhood residents, in broad daylight, and back out again. All this time, however long this would have taken, his children would be home alone. Really? Really??

Edited to include: add in there whatever time it would have taken for him to remove most of the clothes off a dead body. All in broad daylight.

Unless she planned to meet him. She runs over by Java Jive, gets in his car, they drive to a secluded area, he kills her and dumps the body.

Nobody said anything about him randomly driving around angrily gripping his steering wheel plotting his crime.

 

[Just the Fax]

He's pretty young, isn't he? So he's not that far removed from law school. You think lawyers make a ton of money right after law school?

That's what every student in law school thinks too until reality hits them when they graduate.

$45K is a pathetic salary for anyone that receives a 3 year post graduate degree....JMO

 

[JBean]

Hi JBean,
I'm bumping this post to give you another perspective on the case. As you'll note RZ's description was negated by the jogging route the defense presented.

And, the following is the link to WRAL. They've maintained all the testimony, legal docs, etc.

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/?navkeyword=brad+cooper

Beautiful day in our homeland (CA), isn't it.

Tink

Thank you Tink,I will review after I finish taking in this magnificent day!
Weather for Dana Point, CA

81°F | °C

 

[jrb0124]

WOW
Accusing a witness of lying on the stand and committing perjury.

Do you think JP was being truthful?

Several witness have done just that.

If you read back through the threads or watch the video re: JP, that's one example.

 

[Bottle Cap]

Unless she planned to meet him. She runs over by Java Jive, gets in his car, they drive to a secluded area, he kills her and dumps the body.

Nobody said anything about him randomly driving around angrily gripping his steering wheel plotting his crime.

Why would she do that, when she could just phone him up?

 

[cityslick]

WOW
Accusing a witness of lying on the stand and committing perjury.

What do you make of MH's testimony that she only wanted information to funnel through her to CPD early on? Why do you think she would say that?

I'm not accusing her of lying. I'm just saying there seem to be only 2 people in the world that knew about the painting plans, herself and NC.

Do you think RZ was lying when she said she saw NC jogging?

 

[Danielle59]

Hi JBean,
I'm bumping this post to give you another perspective on the case. As you'll note RZ's description was negated by the jogging route the defense presented.

And, the following is the link to WRAL. They've maintained all the testimony, legal docs, etc.

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/?navkeyword=brad+cooper

Beautiful day in our homeland (CA), isn't it.

Tink

Let's also give a reply to all those bullet points, to be fair:

A. I don't think they tried to rule him out as a suspect
B. But since the police didn't investigate beyond him we don't know who else did, but there have been a couple of other witnesses they seem to have had also.
C. They didn't look for any other suspects, yes, I think there were other viable suspects.
D. What is a coincidence in this case? A lot of the coincidences seem to be over inflation of everyday tasks to me.
E. I think on this one you are being overly simplistic since we know the laptop, while in LE custody has other errors, then there is always that pesky erased cell phone of NCs.
F. You have no idea where she shopped for meat.
G. Eye Witnesses may not always be reliable, but there times they are reliable, I don't think we can discount them.
H. I am not sure about that happening with less evidence, but I am not going to go look it up - we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
I. The comment you made is the type that slays me. There is no proof that he did do it, but you want us to believe since there is no proof he didn't that that then means he is guilty. There is no proof that any of us are child molesters either, does that mean because that because there is no proof we aren't that we should all be arrested? We can't say, oh, proof doesn't matter, but since you can't prove you didn't do it that is on you. That is not how it works. The ones making the accusation have to offer up the proof, not the other way around.

I have doubts about how bad her marriage was. She made couple plans for her and BC to spend the evening with another couple for Saturday night. The realtor says he called her but there has been no proof of that, but she had not called her divorce attorney she had on retainer for months - don't you think if she was going to move out suddenly she would have called her attorney also? Then there is JP and his weirdness.

I have questions and they have not been answered in this trial to my satisfaction to say he is guilty.

 

[GhostCrab]

$45K is a pathetic salary for anyone that receives a 3 year post graduate degree....JMO

Remind me again tho, what do salaries have to do with this case?

 

[cityslick]

$45K is a pathetic salary for anyone that receives a 3 year post graduate degree....JMO

I agree, but believe it or not that is the reality for a lot of lawyers out of law school. Some even clerk for other firms to pay off loans before they start earning a salary as a 'lawyer'.

 

[jrb0124]

$45K is a pathetic salary for anyone that receives a 3 year post graduate degree....JMO

You stated that these 3 ADAs have 100's of serious cases they are working on. That was what I called false...in fact the last stats I checked had the murder+rape arrests in WC for the year at under 100.

 

[oenophile]

I know I sound like a broken record, but can someone who truly believes that BDI explain the empty stomach, alcohol content and caffeine?

*crickets*

 

[BrownRice]

In fact, I half-expected the pros to march in a handful of women who would testify to the fact that they were running that hour, that morning on those roads...they did not. Maybe in rebuttal? who knows. If there are none in rebuttal, this alone is a serious red flag (IMO) to the pros case. (remember someone else also tesified he saw her running).

EXACTLY. This has always been concerning for me. I assume you'd have to live under a rock in Cary to not know this woman was missing, and then found murdered. I lived in Charlotte and it was on our local news. I cannot imagine any runner (especially a female with similar physical attributes to NC) not contacting the police to say hey, I was out there running Saturday a.m. and didn't see anything. That is very odd to me because "she" (someone who resembled NC) was sighted by a handful of witnesses.