GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - # 5

[Butler321]

NJ- I agree with you that you have every right to believe what you have heard from crystal and others as do I. And we both have every right to post. I agree with you that ex spouses and the family of ex spouses don't always view someone in the best light.

CL and my family member were married for 9-10 years and had 2 children. To my knowledge that is by far the longest relationship crystal has ever had. Over the years since the divorce whenever crystal would find herself in a bad situation she would always reach out to her ex. Example when she was broke and needed new tires he got them for her so his kids would be in a safe car, when her rent was late he would send her extra money so his kids wouldn't be evicted. Several years ago when she broke up with some guy and he kicked her and the kids out she showed up on his door step homeless and he let her and the kids stay with him for about a month. All of these things happened many many years ago. He has always been the one constant stable person in her life who has always been there for her. So it's no surprise that now that she is incarcerated he's the one she calls.... He's probably the only person in the world that will accept her collect calls every time she calls.

Is a jailhouse phone confession the absolute dumbest the anyone could possibly do... Yes but she's not the smartest person. And he was just as surprised as anyone at her response. He doesn't want her to be guilty. It's my opinion that she knows she's caught and at this point why lie to the only person who has always been good to you.

 

[nojusticenusa]

The moment I found out he was going behind my back trying to get my child out of the house is the minute his arzz would have been thrown out the door. This whole thing right there seems so Billy Dunnish and look how it ended up for little Hailey. If this hadnt of happened with Beverly, I cringe to think of what could have happened to this child down the road.

By the way. AL did this AFTER she had kicked him out in early summer. It was his way of revenge for her kicking him out. When he made the call he was already on the way out the door.

Why she let him come back I never could understand as I have posted here before. Not a good decision. One thing I believe all of us can agree upon.

 

[nojusticenusa]

Exactly! That perp walk proved absolutely nothing.

How many people do you know that has been fighting their ex over custody issues or just has an ex in general would share that type of information with their ex? CL is not stupid enough to not know phone calls from the jail are being recorded. In fact, one friend that has talked with her complained about the expense of the phone calls and that every few seconds the call is interrupted with a recorded message warning that the call is being recorded. Common sense people. Logic tells me NOBODY is that stupid to trust an ex with that kind of info or to NOT know a call is being recorded when the call itself is warning you that you are being recorded. Again, common sense and logic.

 

[TTF14]

How many people do you know that has been fighting their ex over custody issues or just has an ex in general would share that type of information with their ex? CL is not stupid enough to not know phone calls from the jail are being recorded. In fact, one friend that has talked with her complained about the expense of the phone calls and that every few seconds the call is interrupted with a recorded message warning that the call is being recorded. Common sense people. Logic tells me NOBODY is that stupid to trust an ex with that kind of info or to NOT know a call is being recorded when the call itself is warning you that you are being recorded. Again, common sense and logic.

I know plenty of people who have oddly close relationships with their ex and could see them trusting them like this. Maybe not in the middle of a custody dispute, but ya never know. As far as the phone call being recorded, based on what you said, it sounds likely that her calls are recording. I still do believe she said that to the ex though; I'm confused about the time frame of when that conversation took place.

 

[jstkiddn]

I get what you are saying, although I would point out that there are several things CL has done that defies common sense and logic.

That said, I have no opinion on whether the conversation in question did or did not take place. I was just pointing out that the fact she was quiet during her perp walk is no indicator of whether she did or did not talk to someone else under different circumstances.

 

[SavvyRose]

He (the ex) lives in Kansas some 12 hours away by drive. I doubt he was here to visit "earlier this week" so I have to assume IF this conversation took place that it could have ONLY been on the phone. The last time he was here to visit was Nov 15th. That much I can confirm AS FACT because the daughter hung out and spent the night with her friends when he brought her here to see her mom. She has not been back. My daughter is on of her friends.

Earlier this week.. Posted yesterday. Okay.. If he visited 11-15 that was 9 days earlier. I would consider that could have been when it was said.
JMO
And NJ, you are right, I'm under a lot of stress with the trial for my dads murderer coming up. I feel very defensive of murder victims right now.
Please consider that in my responses to you. I try to ignore certain things but I am so on the defense that I lash out.
I apologize for that.. But my opinions are as I stated. I don't believe her lies to you and it aggravates me that you don't seem to consider that she manipulated you.

 

[nojusticenusa]

NJ- I agree with you that you have every right to believe what you have heard from crystal and others as do I. And we both have every right to post. I agree with you that ex spouses and the family of ex spouses don't always view someone in the best light.

CL and my family member were married for 9-10 years and had 2 children. To my knowledge that is by far the longest relationship crystal has ever had. Over the years since the divorce whenever crystal would find herself in a bad situation she would always reach out to her ex. Example when she was broke and needed new tires he got them for her so his kids would be in a safe car, when her rent was late he would send her extra money so his kids wouldn't be evicted. Several years ago when she broke up with some guy and he kicked her and the kids out she showed up on his door step homeless and he let her and the kids stay with him for about a month. All of these things happened many many years ago. He has always been the one constant stable person in her life who has always been there for her. So it's no surprise that now that she is incarcerated he's the one she calls.... He's probably the only person in the world that will accept her collect calls every time she calls.

Is a jailhouse phone confession the absolute dumbest the anyone could possibly do... Yes but she's not the smartest person. And he was just as surprised as anyone at her response. He doesn't want her to be guilty. It's my opinion that she knows she's caught and at this point why lie to the only person who has always been good to you.

The friend that had communication with the ex regarding moving the stuff out of CL house had nothing but positive things to say about him except that he was a no show and would not take her phone calls that day to explain why he was a no show. I have no doubt he is a good person who cares about his children. Do I believe he would use things in a custody battle to get the upper hand? Absolutely. Human nature. Does that make him a bad person? Absolutely NOT. Again, human nature. I'm sure CL would do the same and I know she did have some things (dirt so to speak) but I will not post those here out of respect for the family and because I do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are true.

CL never had anything bad to say about him except that he was not being honest in the custody battle and was behind on child support. At least the part about child support can be supported with legal paperwork. As to the other things he was using it appears the alleged drug use was also false. I do not believe she was a prostitute but I could be 100% wrong about this. I was not with her 24/7 and do not know every move she made obviously.

 

[nojusticenusa]

Earlier this week.. Posted yesterday. Okay.. If he visited 11-15 that was 9 days earlier. I would consider that could have been when it was said.
JMO
And NJ, you are right, I'm under a lot of stress with the trial for my dads murderer coming up. I feel very defensive of murder victims right now.
Please consider that in my responses to you. I try to ignore certain things but I am so on the defense that I lash out.
I apologize for that.. But my opinions are as I stated. I don't believe her lies to you and it aggravates me that you don't seem to consider that she manipulated you.

I absolutely do take that in consideration and my heart hurts for you that you are being forced to deal with it. I'm pretty thicker skinned. I understand people have differences of opinion and hold nothing against you for your honesty. But you really can't speak to my convictions or what I consider. Nobody knows my thoughts but me, just as I can't assume what you may be thinking.

 

[SavvyRose]

By the way. AL did this AFTER she had kicked him out in early summer. It was his way of revenge for her kicking him out. When he made the call he was already on the way out the door.

Why she let him come back I never could understand as I have posted here before. Not a good decision. One thing I believe all of us can agree upon.

Exactly. He did it in retaliation ..but he was already out according to you... So why would she even consider letting him back in her life? We know for a fact she did let him back. We know for a fact CL lied to the court when she filed divorce papers stating they were separated since 8/27.
See where this is going?

Edited to correct typos. [emoji21]

 

[hockeymom4]

I didn't want to reply to the long post above, but wanted to say NJ, in reply to your comment above. Several of us pointed out several lies that she has told, if you are telling the truth, which I will assume. These lies have evidence to support that they are lies. For me, those lies don't mean that she is guilty of kidnapping or murder. What it means for me is that I trust nothing that comes out of her mouth. So, the fact that LE has her in lockup and says she is guilty and she says she is innocent, I tend to believe LE. Her credibility is shot with me. What concerns me is that every lie we have found her to be in, you have found a way to justify or excuse. I get that she is your friend. Fine, but, let's call a spade a spade. She could be lying to you. It am desire you know this, as you have stated. But, again, these lies don't mean she is guilty, but when you justify these little lies, it makes me question every other little "fact" you will tell us from her in the future. I know you what Justice for your friend because you believe she is innocent, but if you justify these proven lies, I, and I am sure some others, will not believe anything else that comes are way. Just to give you an example, there is another VI for a defendant on a case, a wife actually of the murder suspect. She swore up and down he was innocent. People listened and respected and believed some of what she was saying. Then all of a sudden, she caught him, I believe in a lie, and admitted so. IMO, when this is done, way more belief is given to the VI. Again, telling a lie doesn't equal murder, it makes people look that way because they are less believable.

 

[yupikgirl]

I'm not a mod and I don't want to step on anyone's toes- Just a bit of friendly advice while the edit button still works for some. We aren't allowed to post private messages, talk about private messages, or talk about screenshots of private messages. I don't want to see anyone get in trouble....


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[SavvyRose]

I'm not a mod and I don't want to step on anyone's toes- Just a bit of friendly advice while the edit button still works for some. We aren't allowed to post private messages, talk about private messages, or talk about screenshots of private messages. I don't want to see anyone get in trouble....


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It's a great rule though. What is said in private should be kept private.

 

[Coquette]

You should reread what was posted yesterday. It was said on the jail house phone. I read that with my own eyes.

I'm not here to argue. I have a right to my opinion as do you. If we don't agree on them so be it but I never post nasty things toward you because we don't agree. In fact, if I am not mistaken, you have been one of the ones from this board PM me about others being nasty. So now why are you being nasty when all I'm doing is posting my opinion? We all have the right to voice what we believe to be the truth.

I'm not making excuses for anyone, simply posting another view on the situation. My heart breaks for BC family. My heart breaks for CL family and for AL family. I hate to see anyone hurting.

I know you have your dad's trial coming up. This must be a very stressful time for you SavvyRose. I have been thinking about you even though I don't know you personally.

Just yesterday I was accused, hypothetically of course, of being a legal sec or having an informant who is a legal sec. I chuckled when I read it but then thought to myself, I hope some innocent person does not lose their job over lynch mob mentality for people posting, hypothetically of course, things that are not true.
There is no need for any of us to go at each other on this board. We are hopefully all here to see justice for BC and to get to the truth.

The problem is that anyone will have a bias that permeates every post they create as an "insider" who happens to be a friend. They cannot be objective. This is human nature. If you are close to someone you cannot have the same neutral or objective view that others have who have zero attachment to anyone involved in this case. History has shown this to be the case. I, for one, cannot accept heresay from a friend as verified fact. So, any "opinion" is not a balanced one. It is colored by care and fondness for the accused. It is impossible to defend a friend and seek pure factual justice at the same time. I study human behavior. It is a very big part of the work I do. I do not say this will ill intent as I can also appreciate a friend's desire to support another friend. We all need friends who have our backs. This is what I see. All in my opinion only, of course.

 

[Coquette]

That's very fair. And I will rephrase that to say... I feel like that. I should not have spoken for anyone but myself.

I have made very clear from the beginning that I feel this way. I appreciate your thoughtful reasoning and ability to step back and adopt a different point of view.

 

[Butler321]

This is probably not the right place to post this...I'm new to this message board and if anyone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

It appears that a lot of people on the message board are here because their lives have in some way been touched by a violent crime. My question is, to those of you who have been through similar circumstances, what advice, suggestions, ect would you have for CL ex in regards to parenting his children through this tragedy? There's plenty of books/websites out there for parenting through divorce, children and grief, ect but I have yet to find the book titled "my children's mother is in jail on capital murder for dummys"

FYI he has read this message board and appreciated those of you who have expressed kind words and sympathy's for him and his children. He chooses not to post anything here or anywhere for a variety of reasons including but not limited to he will not speak negativity about CL to his children or in public, and he's focusing his time and attention on the children's well being.

Some people either privately or not-so-privately wish their ex-spouses would fall off a cliff or take some perverted pleasure in seeing their ex-spouse's suffer in some way ie another divorce, loss of a job, trouble with LE. Crystal's ex is NOT one of those people...post divorce he wishes nothing but the best for her as she moved forward with her life. He was proud of her and happy for her that she was going back school. He very much hopes that Crystal was not involved in this crime both for the sake of his children and for Crystal as a person.

Don't take this the wrong way, but Beverly Carter and her family are not the only victims of this crime. They are the MAIN VICTIMS....but not the only victims. Crystal's children are victims too.

 

[NWLady]

Where is NWlady? She needs to add fake boobies to her list she posted awhile back.

LOL @ justanokiegal! I would like to make another list because there's SEVERAL other things I need to add; however, I don't really want a time-out so am sitting here quiet for now. LOL

 

[KayKay.85]

Oh wow. I would say to get the kids in counseling ASAP. Sometimes parents are too close or wrapped up in the situation to help in a proper manner. Sounds like the ex hubby is being the bigger person (a gazillion attaboys for him) and not speaking badly of CL. Maybe the kids feel they could speak more openly to someone not so close to the matter? Maybe let the kids decide if they are comfortable with counseling? I've never been through anything like this, so just throwing some suggestions out. And...yes, those kids are victims!!!
I would just hate to be the present wife dealing with all of this. That spins a whole new meaning to the term STRESS!

 

[Butler321]

LOL @ justanokiegal! I would like to make another list because there's SEVERAL other things I need to add; however, I don't really want a time-out so am sitting here quiet for now. LOL

What list are we referring to? I've gone back and have read a lot of these threads but not everything and don't remember a list.

 

[SavvyRose]

Butler, I don't have any experience with what those kids are dealing with but I feel for them greatly! I think honesty and counseling are the best things that can be offered. There is a victim witness coordinator that helps me with anything i may me concerned about in my dads case, but my dad was a murder victim... I'm not sure if that would apply to CLs kids but it may as H was very much a witness to much of what went on in her house I'm sure. I just don't know. I would start with the school counselor if funds are an issue. They are in my prayers!! I have a daughter same age as H and my heart breaks for H when I put my daughter in her shoes. I can not imagine. Poor baby.

 

[SavvyRose]

If you want, I can ask my VWC. She's also in pulaski count: PM me if you want me to to that.