GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - # 6

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We have NJ saying she heard the daughter told the aunt AL was using meth. We have Butler saying the daughter never said "meth" or anything about drug use to the aunt, but only that he'd been acting weird and not sleeping or days. So it seems like one of those "telephone" things where somewhere in there is what really occurred but it's gotten shifted around a bit through different tellings. I would not be shocked if him using drugs should come out at some point ....despite innuendo to the contrary. Doesn't seem unthinkable given a whole host of erratic behaviors we've seen from him. MOO.
 
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Also on the subject of phones, we've been told CL phone was taken by LE Sunday p.m. Maybe they have texts or calls to CL phone from AL while he was stealing the dump truck and on the run Sunday through Monday?
ETA: Or maybe they had a home phone?
Or maybe I've had too much cold and cough medicine and need a nap? lol

no home phone
 
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IDK. Even if I weren't involved Id want to just go hide somewhere and die from embarrassment if my husband was arrested for murder. Even if she weren't involved this is a lot of stress and drama. How could you even focus on school and nursing classes are hard. I can think of alot of reasons with none of them pointing to guilt or innocence to drop out and go back later on.
My thoughts too. I would have been in the fetal position from stress and worry. Just the thought of being married to someone that could do this.
 
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One thing I'm having trouble piecing together on the theories that have CL as either the instigator or in on it since the beginning... is that she had lived over 40 years without (at least getting caught for) committing any crimes thus far. She was embarking on a new nursing career. Had a teenage daughter she apparently loved. Had very bad judgement especially in men. But when you put her historical timeline against ALs with a lifetime of crime, it doesn't seem to add up that CL would suddenly be the one plotting a kidnapping or murder and bringing AL into the mix. Just by observing a lifetime of patterns of the behaviors of each. CL jumping into such major crime at this stage of her life, even with serious money problems, doesn't feel logical to me when you have ALs track record sitting there.

I can imagine him drawing her into it, and my thinking is that would more likely be later when he had to, rather than at the first stage. But can't see great odds of her as the mastermind or instigator of this scheme. UNLESS... the need for instant cash was such a dire emergency and had some bearing on her ability to keep her daughter - if the only way were to prove to a court that she had the means to support or some such thing. All just speculation of course! But I'm leaning towards AL either willingly or inadvertently having to bring her in after the first blunder in the plans.

Agreed. I wonder if there was a blackmail element to it. For example, maybe CL really WAS trying to make money as an "escort".....
 
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My theory is that CL really did not have any idea what AL was going to do the night she went off to clinicals and he kidnapped BC. However, I do think she became aware of it upon returning from clinicals and the rest of her weekend story is a lie. Why she went along with it after that is, IMO, what is unknown. Was AL so manipulative and cunning that he convinced CL that his plan was perfect and they were going to be made rich and get off scott free? Did he blackmail her into complying because of some other information he had on her and was threatening to expose it? Was she somehow under the influence of something (i.e. drinks with friends after clinicals??) that her judgment was impaired?

I'm of the personal belief that CL was involved, but not in a pre-meditated way.
 
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My theory is that CL really did not have any idea what AL was going to do the night she went off to clinicals and he kidnapped BC. However, I do think she became aware of it upon returning from clinicals and the rest of her weekend story is a lie. Why she went along with it after that is, IMO, what is unknown. Was AL so manipulative and cunning that he convinced CL that his plan was perfect and they were going to be made rich and get off scott free? Did he blackmail her into complying because of some other information he had on her and was threatening to expose it? Was she somehow under the influence of something (i.e. drinks with friends after clinicals??) that her judgment was impaired?

I'm of the personal belief that CL was involved, but not in a pre-meditated way.

I tend to lean towards that direction also. I think she walked into the situation after school that night and helped from there.
 
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Id like to know if Beverlys jewelry was removed. I cant see AL walking away from a diamond ring.
 
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For LE to say they believe CL involvement to be equal to AL, they must have some damaging evidence against CL also. If it was ify evidence I think they would have charged her with accessory charges.
 
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AL has very loose lips and already admitted to kidnapping. It wouldnt surprise me at all to find out he is cooperating and his lawyer is trying to cut him a plea deal.
 
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Just caught up (again) and wanted to add the following.

On page 12 of this thread several people asked about whether or not we know that AL or CL used their own phone to set the appointment. There was an article that was posted on page 40 of thread #3 by beaglebrd that states "Authorities located Carter’s appointment book. But family members say the name and number of the potential buyer she was meeting Sept. 25 were fictitious." This is the title of the article and where it can be located: 2 very different paths.One a good Realtor; other a ‘good parolee’ NIKKI WENTLING, CATHY FRYE AND RYAN MCGEENEY ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE(I didn't link it because it is a pay per view site.) Good article: here is where you can read it... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-25-Sep-2014-missing-realtor-3-ARREST!/page40

Also, regarding the kidnapping for ransom theory....remember there was an interview with Carl Sr. early on in which he pleads for the kidnappers to leave Beverly alongside the road and nothing else will come of it. That, coupled with LE begging everyone to search sheds and any part of their property where a person may be kept leads me to believe that early on there was indication that this was a kidnap for ransom type of situation. (My internet is spotty but if anyone wants a link I will go hunt them down. Both have been posted on these threads in the past.)

I know it is of no value in this case but noticed that no one brought it up so I thought I would. Having vast experience with custody cases and child support I know that when an action is brought before the court to modify child support the process can take several months to several years for resolution. A lot of times when a Judge rules that a change in support is warranted the amount that the support is increased is due retroactively back to the date that the Order to Show Cause was filed by the Petitioning party. The "past due support" more than likely is a result of such an action and had absolutely nothing to do with someone's unwillingness to pay, refusal to pay, etc. it is simple due to both parties waiting for the Judge to make a ruling on the issue. However, like I said before, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with this case and should never have been brought up in the first place IMO.

I wholeheartedly agree with those on here who have stated they believe CL to be immature. Her actions, as a whole, come across to me as those of a teenage girl. With that said, I think we have a pretty clear picture of who she is and do not believe she was being manipulated into helping carry out a plot that she did not approve of or know about. She comes across to me as someone who was easily able to manipulate men to pay her bills, help take care of her children, etc. She seemed VERY motivated by money, even going as far as to give up custody of her child on the agreement that she wouldn't receive any less child support. I, agree, that she met her match in AL and they worked together on this plot and, like their relationship and so much else in their lives, it crashed and burned. I wish they would have crashed and burned together well before they murdered a beautiful woman and destroyed so many lives.

I want to thank both of the VI on these threads for their time and contribution. Despite the differences in opinions and beliefs we all have, we are all grateful to have you both on here. :tyou:
 
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Thanks for bringing up that statement about the "buyer's" fictitious name and phone number. My next best guess is they were able to ping or GPS locate Beverly's phone to AL & CL's home and then they looked up who lived there and followed them around.
 
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Thanks for bringing up that statement about the "buyer's" fictitious name and phone number. My next best guess is they were able to ping or GPS locate Beverly's phone to AL & CL's home and then they looked up who lived there and followed them around.

I still think AL and BC phone was pinging at same locations and that is how they were on to him. Just my guess.
 
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I still think AL and BC phone was pinging at same locations and that is how they were on to him. Just my guess.

How would they have known anything about AL or his phone in the first place? That's what I'm wondering.
 
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How would they have known anything about AL or his phone in the first place? That's what I'm wondering.
He could've used his phone to make the appointment or called or texted BC before meeting at the house. Even if he used a fictitious name, he might not have used a fictitious number and those were possibly written in BC appointment book? His phone number (call or text) would have shown up in BC phone records. I believe LE had VERY EARLY access to her phone pings (Remember the map of her pings?) and possibly access to messages or calls that synced up to her ipad which Carl Sr. and LE had at the Carter home late Thurs. and early Fri. a.m. It has been reported by LE that cellphones were at big part of solving this case so quickly. I have to agree.
 
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How would they have known anything about AL or his phone in the first place? That's what I'm wondering.

I think Beverly's phone died. Or was turned off. Then, when old sticky fingers turned it back on, it started pinging. Thats how they honed in on him. Once they got him figured out and arrested, they checked his ping activity, which brought them to the burial site. I think Beverly's phone was off, but his was on, which is why it took a few days. Also, I have been wanting to mention- I did see a comment somewhere else that when someone comes through Zillow or something, it is considered a referral. So, it wouldn't have to be a person who recommended someone. It could have been an online form and that is called a referral (from an off-site, I guess.). Of course, my speculation going on here.
 
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He could've used his phone to make the appointment or called or texted BC before meeting at the house. Even if he used a fictitious name, he might not have used a fictitious number and those were possibly written in BC appointment book? His phone number (call or text) would have shown up in BC phone records. I believe LE had VERY EARLY access to her phone pings (Remember the map of her pings?) and possibly access to messages or calls that synced up to her ipad which Carl Sr. and LE had at the Carter home late Thurs. and early Fri. a.m. It has been reported by LE that cellphones were at big part of solving this case so quickly. I have to agree.

BBM: LE specifically stated the name and phone number used to make the appt. were fictitious.
 
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What I've yet to figure out is... if he was setting this appointment up online or via phone. How would he have known he would get Beverly as a realtor? Any theories?
Was it random that she got the referral or did he specifically ask for her?
 
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