AR AR - Cassie Compton, 15, Stuttgart, 14 Sept 2014 #5

[Skeeter]

I've only gotten to the second thread. Has it been made aware of a possibility that this ping, becoming friends with "rhodes" on Oct 4th, and a search of casscoe area approx Oct 6th, is because someone put her sim card in, opened a facebook app (that she may have used on her phone) and it picked up the ping off a certain tower? Even if the phone has no service it can be used with wifi and pick up a ping. No one necessarily needs a password for facebook if the app isnt logged out of. And we know that facebook keeps logs of locations used. Ordinary people like myself can't ping, say, my kids phones.

Was rhodes incarcerated on the 4th of oct.? I believe this was a friend request from rhodes before or after her disappearance and someone opened her Facebook app on her phone and accepted it. Jmo

I'm back to the donations collected. It was stated a man donated $1000, who did that go to? And have all donations been contributed to the reward? Like it should be, imo.

 

[GigTu]

Everything I have heard in regards to HS being cleared by the fbi has been hearsay from an admins of fcc. I understand that rumors shouldn't be mentioned, and I won't do it again. But I want to point out that, imo, the fcc has a different motive behind the page. Purely my opinion.

Yes, the same motive as appearing on JVM. To deflect. Suspicions now doubled! !!!

 

[GigTu]

I don't know about the donations. I also don't think we were ever told the date of the ping, or who's phone it was.

 

[believe09]

IIRC there was a Halloween fundraiser that was raising costs directed towards burial expenses. Which startled us quite a bit when that showed up on FCC.

I digress-the reward. It is a binding promise and will need to be paid when information arises that brings Cassie home. I want to say there was a stipulation, however. Let me see if I can find the language...

 

[believe09]

"Whoever gets her, brings her home safe, is the one who is going to get this reward," Judy said.

LINK HERE

 

[believe09]

I started to think about some of the people who are popping up in this case-it seems like one or more of them recently turned 18 or will turn 18 soon. It made me wonder if some of the perceived lack of activity on the part of LE had to do with waiting until a person of interest was a legal adult. That can create all kinds of configurations when it comes to sentencing that may not be applicable when the person of interest is under age. Even if it isnt a sentencing issue-it could be from an investigative stand point. Minors frequently need a parent present when questioned by LE. Or a guardian or trusted adult. Not so much when you are 18.

 

[GigTu]

I know one other thing about turning 18.... you aren't a minor anymore and WSers are going to sleuth the shiit out of you.

 

[Caring4Many]

Again FCC posts about R/Os-where are they getting this info? You'd think they'd be much more careful about giving out incorrect information.

 

[iron_angel]

That can create all kinds of configurations when it comes to sentencing that may not be applicable when the person of interest is under age.

I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying correctly but if someone comitted a crime when they are 14yo for example and get caught at 35yo.... it wouldnt matter because the crime has been done at 14yo! I think there was such a case some years ago in which the adult was tried under juvenile laws since he was minor at the time of the incident! I also dont think LE would take any chances and waits for someone to turn 18yo before questioning or arresting them because it would be imprudent of their part, I doubt they would take the risk of letting a person free without knowing if they are planning more crimes!

What is bothering me in this case is TS, I'm not quite sure how to explain but why was she so fast calling LE, just hours after Cassie went missing and knowing that her son got a txt from Cassie that said she was going to get cigarettes! From the get-go I found this strange and thought TS was trying to over-protect her son and was implicating herself way too much! Btw, I know his name hasnt been mentioned and we cant sleuth him but what about her husband? Is he a good 'citizen' himself?

 

[GigTu]

Technically we can sleuth anyone we want at any time. But we can't talk about them here unless they are named a POI or suspect. BR and JC have been named outright. But LE basically says everyone involved is under suspicion, so I think we've been allowed to carefully craft our questions and observations here. So far no one has crossed the line so it's been productive in many ways. Thank you mods.

 

[Sillybilly]

At this time the reference to HS having been cleared is strictly RUMOUR and will remain so until such time as it can be substantiated by a link to LE, MSM, or at the very least, a post by Admin on the FCC FB page.

Thanks !!

 

[believe09]

If anyone has been contacted by a member of WS with the purpose of soliciting or collecting your RL information and passing it along to the Find Cassie Compton FB page, or if any member of the admin of the Find Cassie Compton FB page has reached out to you and then provided your RL identity to individuals at the Find Cassie Compton FB page without your permission, please contact WS admin, a WS moderator or Tricia, the owner of WS.

WS prides itself on the privacy and anonymity of it's members. It is the corner stone of the website and it is part and parcel of why it is a successful site. TOS prohibits this behavior.

Obviously, the other side of the equation is being careful as to who you give your real life identity, especially in a case like Cassie's where there has been subtle and possibly overt obstruction regarding information that will actually locate her.

Just a heads up for those of you posting here. :grouphug:

Bumping not to derail the conversation but because we have a new group of posters bringing new life to this case so it is important to keep yourselves safe. I have to say that the tactics of the admins on that page that have been shared with me have solidified my position that the answers do not necessarily lie with BR and JC because objectivity seems to have flown out the window. I understand much more fully why there has been so little real work done in terms of the recovery of Cassie. I understand completely why group after group seems to have dropped out and left it at a poster.

I see a break through here though. I see that being willing to move outside of the JC/BR did it mindset has some things coming together in a different way that almost makes more sense of what we know.

 

[believe09]

It is just a carport, not a real elevated porch. I believe the house was relocated from the old airbase because what should be the front door faces east. You can tell looking at the window placements. The supposed-to-be front door opens into fenced yard for dogs. You can see schematic without interior walls at:

http://www.arcountydata.com/parcel.asp?item=6AEB7&Page=1&countycode=ARKTAX

Notice that "doorstep" on the east side.

I want to go back to this-the second hand information then is that BR was in the car port when Cassie returned home? Not on a porch but sitting in the carport? And that she walked in the door closest to 15th street? If HS dropped her next to the house, as was his custom, where would she have entered her house? Like what room? Kitchen, living room, mud room kwim?

(I say second hand because it came from TS not from HS)

 

[GigTu]

Bumping not to derail the conversation but because we have a new group of posters bringing new life to this case so it is important to keep yourselves safe. I have to say that the tactics of the admins on that page that have been shared with me have solidified my position that the answers do not necessarily lie with BR and JC because objectivity seems to have flown out the window. I understand much more fully why there has been so little real work done in terms of the recovery of Cassie. I understand completely why group after group seems to have dropped out and left it at a poster.

I see a break through here though. I see that being willing to move outside of the JC/BR did it mindset has some things coming together in a different way that almost makes more sense of what we know.

This is sage advice. Keep your identity secret.

That is a very enigmatic posting. I personally am not privy to any inside information so I'm not sure exactly what you mean, except that I get a sense that we are looking in the right direction when we question Cassie ever having made it home (according to your gut). Please steer me in the right direction to your point.

 

[believe09]

This is sage advice. Keep your identity secret.

That is a very enigmatic posting. I personally am not privy to any inside information so I'm not sure exactly what you mean, except that I get a sense that we are looking in the right direction when we question Cassie ever having made it home (according to your gut). Please steer me in the right direction to your point.

I think that we have a lot of questions about the accuracy of information and the possibility that there are people outside of JC/BR who might be involved. I think we are finding discrepancies-for example the idea that BR was standing on the porch when Cassie was dropped off by HS. There was no porch. There was/is a car port. We have the various vehicle descriptions referenced by TS on JVM and a possible allusion to another person in the vehicle.

I mean, these could have been the mis statements of someone who was trying to state the story under the bright light of the National Media with a panel of very experienced pundits. IE: Marc Klaas for example. It could have been nerves.

Or maybe it wasnt. Because once you get off the BR/JC train and you start again at the beginning, a picture emerges that almost makes more sense. Like Steleheart posted-you can look at BR's actions as too involved, or as being the only one who was sounding the alarm. If you consider the possibility that BR actually went to SPD the night of 9/14 and actually made 3 increasingly frantic phone calls to the Snyders, the statement by TS that BR saw Cassie being dropped off while he was on the porch makes no sense, kwim?

 

[GigTu]

I can only find one description of Cassie being dropped off, and that's from the JVM interview:
https://findcassiecompton.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/jvm-transcript.pdf

"SNYDER: Cassie`s mom boyfriend actually saw Cassie get out of his truck, walk up the driveway. She did not speak to the mom`s boyfriend at all when she was walking up the driveway and she went into the house. So I brought that up to him and told him that he seen him get out of my son`s -- seen Cassie get out of my son`s vehicle, so he knew she was no longer with him or with us.And I kept repeating to him through these three phone calls to go to the police department, go to the police department, or call the police and report her missing.
In the third -- third phone call, he said that he did. He went to the police department, and they told him that it would be a 72-hour wait. That morning, Monday morning when I got to work, I called and spoke with a detective. And he said there was actually no report filed. And he come and spoke to me, and we filed the missing report on Monday."

It sounds like he would have gone in the driveway or sat on the street while she walked up. Why did you conclude BR was on a porch?

Also, where is the information that mentions him often parking in the alley? I can see parking there, but not driving all the way through to 14th Street. Image from Google Earth makes it appear to not encourage driving on, kwim?

 

[believe09]

I can only find one description of Cassie being dropped off, and that's from the JVM interview:
https://findcassiecompton.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/jvm-transcript.pdf

"SNYDER: Cassie`s mom boyfriend actually saw Cassie get out of his truck, walk up the driveway. She did not speak to the mom`s boyfriend at all when she was walking up the driveway and she went into the house. So I brought that up to him and told him that he seen him get out of my son`s -- seen Cassie get out of my son`s vehicle, so he knew she was no longer with him or with us.And I kept repeating to him through these three phone calls to go to the police department, go to the police department, or call the police and report her missing.
In the third -- third phone call, he said that he did. He went to the police department, and they told him that it would be a 72-hour wait. That morning, Monday morning when I got to work, I called and spoke with a detective. And he said there was actually no report filed. And he come and spoke to me, and we filed the missing report on Monday."

It sounds like he would have gone in the driveway or sat on the street while she walked up. Why did you conclude BR was on a porch?

Also, where is the information that mentions him often parking in the alley? I can see parking there, but not driving all the way through to 14th Street. Image from Google Earth makes it appear to not encourage driving on, kwim?

I am pretty sure we have a VI who mentioned the porch...I dont know which one, but I will do some digging.

 

[believe09]

When going back through to find the info that Believe was looking for, something caught me. I found this in one of STM's posts, snipped to save space.

IF HS normally would drop Cassie off in the alley behind her house, why this time did he let her off at the driveway? Do we know for sure this was how it was done? STM does say she was "told" so she didn't see it herself. Was this how she was picked up? I doubt a friend of TS would pick her up that way. But IMO it could be how she was dropped off and TS just didn't know the difference, right? That did make me think though that it is a lot easier to drop someone's things in their home without being noticed if you sneak in the back door not up the driveway and them never exiting the vehicle (car, truck, SUV, your choice). Or them running in, grabbing something and running back out again. This just conjured up a lot more questions in my mind. Anyone else?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...t-14-September-2014-2&p=11193084#post11193084

(Thread#2 Post #296)

Snipped by me "I was told that HS usually pulls up in the alley beside her house to pick her up or drop her off which doesn't really seem like he wants to stay and chat, but I wonder if he ever did."

Snipped by me from JVM Transcript-

"SNYDER: Cassie`s mom boyfriend actually saw Cassie get out of his truck, walk up the driveway. She did not speak to the mom`s boyfriend at all when

she was walking up the driveway and she went into the house. So I brought that up to him and told him that he seen him get out of my son`s -- seen

Cassie get out of my son`s vehicle, so he knew she was no longer with him or with us." (Only a portion of the statement)

Bumping for GigTu

 

[GigTu]

BTW, I've suggested this before and I really hope LE/FBI did this.... it seems that it would be valuable to know where BR actually was from say... 3pm until 9:00 pm in 9/14/14. Every moment in that timeframe.

I have no reason to believe this other than a hunch, but I have a feeling BR was not home, or was sleeping, or out of it on drugs or drunk or something. I don't think he heard or saw Cassie that night. BR and HS were FB friends, and who knows if they were in contact that weekend. It's in his and Cassie's best interest for him to speak up about that (to LE, not to me). It's possible Cassie's 'delivery home' was timed to match the scenario of JC sick in bed and BR not around.

JC needs to march down to that jail and plead with him to come clean.

Neither BR nor JC have stated they saw or heard Cassie that night. They only heard someone in the house. Poof, Cassie's overnight bag and purse are home, but she and her phone are nowhere to be found.

Regardless of her public reputation, I have great sympathy for JC and I genuinely feel she has no idea what happened to Cassie.

And I find it peculiar that BR called TS three times unless he really didn't see her come home.

All fingers point to the HS camp. Something is not quite matching up there.

 

[believe09]

TIME TO REF GOOGLE MAPS AGAIN -- The alley runs beside the house on the west side, parallel to the driveway. It is not "behind" the house because the house is situated facing 15th instead of Grand Avenue (which is parallel to the alley). If HS usually drove the alley, that kept him from having to back up in reverse. The alley is more like a side drive-through / drop- off. If he did pull into driveway, it is less likely JC's car was parked there. What would be the covered carport for her to park her car in has a table and chairs where people can sit like on a porch. So her car fills more space on the driveway itself. Someone pulling in behind JC's car would have the rear of their vehicle almost at the street curb.

BBM-on the hunt for the actual porch reference, which may have come from the media but here is another reference to it from one of our VI's.