GUILTY AR - Jersey Bridgeman, 6, raped & murdered, Bentonville, 20 Nov 2012 #1

[Lois Lane]

Facebook link to Zach.

https://www.facebook.com/zach.holly.5

It has been pulled.

Screen shots, I got some.

 

[CountryGirl]

Facebook link to Zach.

https://www.facebook.com/zach.holly.5

His FB is gone now. Does FB delete them?

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yes, the fb account won't be back up soon. It's evidence. They should have taken it offline earlier but at least they did asap. I don't need copies really, I follow too many cases when I can. I just burn it in my Kryptonic memory. ha ha. Like a steel trap...lol

 

[CountryGirl]

Well, I remember it said he was from Bakersfield, CA. Went to Huntsville HS.

 

[Dr. Know?]

His FB is gone now. Does FB delete them?

I'm sure the LE have issued a subpoena for it and had it removed for evidence at trial.

There will be other charges I feel. Justice for Jersey!

 

[Storm65]

Another tragic case where children are not seemingly safe anywhere. Just heartbreaking. That poor mom probably did the best she could with needing a sitter and thought it was a good deal all around. That poem someone posted makes me cry because I've seen it once before - at a funeral for the 2 year old son of a dear friend - little guy died in a fire.

Couple thoughts on this case: this guy doesn't seem quite 'right' if you know what I mean. I'll leave it at that. Diminished mental capacity maybe?

He could have done something as stupid that Jersey saw him do - can think of any number of things. , could he have spanked her, saw him with another girl, molested her, the list goes on. If he was in some fear of her telling, it would give him the 'motive' for shutting her up. What I want to know is how much HE had contact with those kids while his wife was their babysitter. When was the last time???

What the heck is a juggalo or ICP?

After watching this case closely and I hate to say that I feel that everyone who was connected to this child isnt "Quite right".

Also I dont think I can adopt the theory that kids arent safe anywhere. I live in Benton county, and I still feel safe with my kids being or even playing outside in about 95% of benton county. I think what people can learn from this case is that when you become a parent, you need to pick who you associate with with much higher standards.

Im sure I will be attacked for this, but I will express my opinion anyway.....I feel a lot of the blame for this has to fall on the mother. It is of my opinion that this little Angels horror filled short life and tragic end has a root cause in her mothers stupidity of who she chose to associate with.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Mom is young. She's pretty naive too. Maybe she will look at her relationships with more caution. She must be almost completely destroyed and I hope she has it in her to protect Jersey's little sister. May you gain the strength to go on & care for the little one. I hope she does this on her own with the help of family, of course. jmo

 

[Abby Normal Again]

And I just want to point out that her mother was the little girl not that long ago. Statistically her children are likely to repeat many of the same mistakes she makes. I recognize that we all have adult obligations and must rise to them, but where is the cut off for compassion? At what point do we stop feeling compassion for a child's experience and start feel animosity for the obvious results of a child's upbringing?

I came out a world like that. I went to school, and now I work a professional job and live a far more socially acceptable life. I understand that people can rise above what they were taught, because I did it. I just also have the humility to realize that not everyone finds their way. Not everyone has the teacher who reached out, the foster parent who actually bonded with them, or the parent who had a vision (too late for themselves) but who told their children they could reach it. And more and more parents are advocating against the discussion of moral/personal issues in our schools on the basis that THEIR kids don't need it... without accounting for all the kids who do. And people get trapped in a cycle. Often times cementing themselves into it with teen pregnancy, crime and similar situations long before they have the maturity to consider another path.

It's just not as simple as blaming parents for not making better choices, I don't think.

ETA- In case it is not obvious, I'm not speaking about parents who commit hurtful crimes. I just mean immature decisions, not making the best friends, and similar decisions that seem trivial until something bad happens.

 

[catswhiskers]

Yes. And she was reallllly hinky in it. As soon as that guy asked about her husband, she ordered the gentleman off of her property.

She sure was - all very obvious in retrospect. IMO she knew what had happened - it will be interesting to see if she had any part in turning him in. If not (which I am guessing is very likely) shame on her - she should be charged with harboring him.
:moo:

 

[Dr. Know?]

I hope to hear his wife or Jersey's mom turned his azz in! Or BT?

I so hope so that one of them did. If not, it could shock them terribly.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

After watching this case closely and I hate to say that I feel that everyone who was connected to this child isnt "Quite right".

Also I dont think I can adopt the theory that kids arent safe anywhere. I live in Benton county, and I still feel safe with my kids being or even playing outside in about 95% of benton county. I think what people can learn from this case is that when you become a parent, you need to pick who you associate with with much higher standards.

Im sure I will be attacked for this, but I will express my opinion anyway.....I feel a lot of the blame for this has to fall on the mother. It is of my opinion that this little Angels horror filled short life and tragic end has a root cause in her mothers stupidity of who she chose to associate with.

I see your point....to a point. I think the mom probably thought she did the best she could. That being said, if she did choose to leave the kids alone and just have a neighbor 'pop in on them' while she's gone for so long, that is clearly irresponsible. I can't say because I think we just don't know yet.

I think it's easy to judge coulda woulda shoulda in these types of cases but let's face it, we leave our children in the care of people all the time and never know who could be also in contact that could pose a danger. Not just young mothers. When we were kids, our babysitter would have her boyfriend over while she was watching us and of course nothing happened, but these scenarios play out much more than we think.

One thing I do wish they would clear up though is about who's care Jersey was in over her whole life, who's legal care. I keep hearing differing reports that the father had custody and then she went back to the mother but then also was reported that she was just over for a custody visitation when her abuse occurred. I tend to think the latter and the mother was simply letting her daughter have time with the father.

Very sad case and this little girl's smile breaks my heart. She looks a lot like my daughter with a bit darker hair and I can't imagine anyone treating her anyway but loving. These cases bite at me as it does all of us but I think without knowing what the background was for that night, it's hard to say what responsibility the mother plays.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

One other point (Ugh, hate that my time zone is so off of everyone else's, no interaction for me ) is that what ZDH posted on his FB page about doing something awful. I have to wonder, and I mentioned this is another post, that Jersey saw him doing something stupid, maybe with another girl, maybe he was doing drugs, who knows. Could have even been something not SO awful but that he was afraid would just piss his wife off to no end. He wanted to shut her up but then it's possible during a babysitting session, Jersey did in fact tell the wife and the wife confronted him on it. Again, have no idea what this could be but throwing ideas out there. I think he may have taken the opportunity to confront her on it and took the punishment too far.

Just my thoughts for the moment but they could change.

 

[georgiagirl]

Juggalo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Charlie Sheen is a juggalo? Lol

 

[menmo]

Snipped by me

Maybe people in Bentonville will understand when I say that before this case, I would have expected a large network of people like this to live in McDonald County not Benton County. No offense to anyone in McDonald County, MO, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

I've been amazed that they're everywhere. Really. Makes no difference the county or the town.

It is of my opinion that this little Angels horror filled short life and tragic end has a root cause in her mothers stupidity of who she chose to associate with.

I have always said that who you choose to associate with, who you allow your children to be around becomes their norm. Many times kids don't overcome their own childhoods or their own choices as a child. Many times a child isn't respected and cherished enough, even during pregnancies. That said, I'm going to hold out that this mom had no clue that ZH wasn't quite right. Some of the creepiest, far out people can be so charming and deceiving.

MOO

 

[mmmagique]

She sure was - all very obvious in retrospect. IMO she knew what had happened - it will be interesting to see if she had any part in turning him in. If not (which I am guessing is very likely) shame on her - she should be charged with harboring him.
:moo:

Not even in retrospect, imo. As soon as she did that, I went "oh oh..." I do hope she did help to turn him in, but the way she acted that day, I doubt it.

 

[menmo]

And I just want to point out that her mother was the little girl not that long ago. Statistically her children are likely to repeat many of the same mistakes she makes. I recognize that we all have adult obligations and must rise to them, but where is the cut off for compassion? At what point do we stop feeling compassion for a child's experience and start feel animosity for the obvious results of a child's upbringing?

I came out a world like that. I went to school, and now I work a professional job and live a far more socially acceptable life. I understand that people can rise above what they were taught, because I did it. I just also have the humility to realize that not everyone finds their way. Not everyone has the teacher who reached out, the foster parent who actually bonded with them, or the parent who had a vision (too late for themselves) but who told their children they could reach it. And more and more parents are advocating against the discussion of moral/personal issues in our schools on the basis that THEIR kids don't need it... without accounting for all the kids who do. And people get trapped in a cycle. Often times cementing themselves into it with teen pregnancy, crime and similar situations long before they have the maturity to consider another path.

It's just not as simple as blaming parents for not making better choices, I don't think.

ETA- In case it is not obvious, I'm not speaking about parents who commit hurtful crimes. I just mean immature decisions, not making the best friends, and similar decisions that seem trivial until something bad happens.

This is an excellent post and I totally agree. I'm glad you overcame but I have known many who do not. It always amazes me how some in the same family can rise above while others cannot and do not. I have a nephew that came into my life at a young age that has overcame more than so many others that were raised well. I think some people are born to survive and rise above their raising and others do so because of certain people such as you mentioned above have given them that chance by believing in them and supporting them. Thank God for those people that have made a difference so the cycle stops.

MOO

 

[menmo]

Am I the only one out here that thinks that ZH wife helped LE or am I just naive and hoping to much? If I was involved in something like this, God forbid, I don't think I would have came out of my house because I would have been so ashamed, but if the camera crew, news station, anyone but LE caught me outside I would run back in or tell them to leave. I read some place that the family wasn't speaking because LE asked them not to. I'm just hoping she did the same, or did it out of some respect for Jersey.
I saw her saying how many times she'd been arrested and went to jail but after losing her brother that she loved dearly she was trying to turn her life right.
I don't hold her responsible for what her husband chose to do, unless she knew and did nothing. I'll wait to find out about that.
I'm holding out hope she did the right thing for Jersey and both of their families.

ETA I would have left my home immediately. I understand that she may not have any place else to go but I'd go to a shelter before I stayed one more day there, even though it wasn't where they say Jersey was killed. I would want to wash every memory of ZH off of me.
MOO

 

[Jacie Estes]

Yeah, she'd hate to be associated with a criminal! (Er, except for her jail-going-multiple-times self.) Did she not know before the arrest while she remained living in the trailer with him? Really, maybe she DIDN'T guess. Who knows. These folks' relationship to the law is disfunctional.

Maybe people in Bentonville will understand when I say that before this case, I would have expected a large network of people like this to live in McDonald County not Benton County. No offense to anyone in McDonald County, MO, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

ETA Thank God she's not standing by him.

Given the convo she had with the reporter I am certain she knew. When I first saw that video, I was shocked at her "I'm not saying anything" and "Get off my property".

I hope they tear down that empty house...in Megan Kanka's neighborhood, they tore down the house and put Megan's park. There should be a Jersey's Park...There should still be a living, breathing Jersey.

 

[mck16]

Am I the only one out here that thinks that ZH wife helped LE or am I just naive and hoping to much? If I was involved in something like this, God forbid, I don't think I would have came out of my house because I would have been so ashamed, but if the camera crew, news station, anyone but LE caught me outside I would run back in or tell them to leave. I read some place that the family wasn't speaking because LE asked them not to. I'm just hoping she did the same, or did it out of some respect for Jersey.
I saw her saying how many times she'd been arrested and went to jail but after losing her brother that she loved dearly she was trying to turn her life right.
I don't hold her responsible for what her husband chose to do, unless she knew and did nothing. I'll wait to find out about that.
I'm holding out hope she did the right thing for Jersey and both of their families.

ETA I would have left my home immediately. I understand that she may not have any place else to go but I'd go to a shelter before I stayed one more day there, even though it wasn't where they say Jersey was killed. I would want to wash every memory of ZH off of me.
MOO

Maybe she stayed so as not to alert ZH that she knew and the police were moving in. Keep him from running. One can only hope she is descent for that little boy of hers. jmo

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Given the convo she had with the reporter I am certain she knew. When I first saw that video, I was shocked at her "I not saying anything" and "Get off my property".

I hope they tear down that empty house...in Megan Kanka's neighborhood, they tore down the house and put Megan's park. There should be a Jersey's Park...There should still be a living, breathing Jersey.

If someone wanted to initiate a movement for something like that, appealing to the Walton's might be the way to do it. One of them, I think the daughter, has been buying property near the museum and downtown. I'm assuming to beautify and improve the area. This town is their legacy, and they do seem to be good people who care about leaving an improved Bentonville. I'm not sure it would even be practical, but I can't imagine the owners will ever be able to rent those houses again. I can't even bring myself to drive down that street.