AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #1

[justanother]

Oh...i found some sanity!!! Should've popped onto WS days ago. I didn't read back much here yet, but have been following this online and also with family members (in-laws) that defend this family tooth and nail. It blows my mind! Because i know without a doubt, if this were someone else....ya know....like Obama..... I'm pretty sure these same people would be crying out for them to be held accountable....it would be an abomination! But, no...it's just little Josh and we should all shhhh prying into their lives and get on with it.

The lack of concern for the victims in all this is so sad. I didn't jump into the media frenzy and make assumptions like so many i have spoken to (my SIL for days said the media was lying to try and hurt Christianity and we were pathetic to believe such BS) - I read the police report like i would in any case. I didn't think about it being the Duggars. I read it and felt completely at a loss for the victims, it was all about him and nothing about their healing from it, they forgave him and were expected to just move on. The lies from the parents and the fact it got dropped with no official intervention to be sure he and his victims got professional help is just such a failure.

I don't recall which girl it was but one of them says in the report she doesn't fully trust him and yet he remained in that house, with his own little studio and a TV show on him that gave him the platform to become 'famous' and so on.

As for Michelle and the blanket training thing....i have heard of that and it is disgusting. But, not shocked they do it, they want these kids to obey them and go their way, they start early with detaching them from the mother, putting them in their buddy groups and letting them raise themselves, but controlling all the information they receive to ensure they do not try to stray from the Duggar way. The Buddy system also allows for close bonds with siblings, that they can later use as a bargaining chip - wanna go off on your own? Think about the kids....because we can prevent you seeing them until they marry if you don't follow our ways. I hope this whole thing can help in allowing some of those poor kids to see there are other options in life.

 

[Tony1902]

I just finished reading that police report. I now have a headache & nausea that will hopefully go away with a can of coke & a Tylenol. Do I understand this correctly: the majority of the girls were his sisters? Such as the two who are married now & the younger ones below them?

I was fascinated by this train-wreck fundamentalist melodrama. After I saw the massive home the first daughter got when she married, & the not-so-subtle rivalry between those two married sisters, I stopped watching. Karma...it bites fundamentalist a$$es too. Where's the money going to come from now, y'all?

And thanks for the blanket training info up-thread. Ugh. There's a son who looks perpetually angry/arrogant in pics. Can't remember his name. And what's going to happen to Ginger? Will this finally free her? Whatcha gonna do about ya people, Jim & Michelle???

 

[Donjeta]

No one has said which sisters were victims but according to the police report he molested at least four of them and he had five sisters who had been born at the time, so... Maybe the fifth just didn't wake up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...cy-molestation-probe-report-article-1.2237112

In statements to PEOPLE, the Duggar family indirectly addressed the closed investigation by referring to the multiple incidents listed in the report unearthed by InTouch Weekly as "teenage mistakes."

Michelle and Jim Bob are "devastated" over the leak, a source close to the family tells PEOPLE. "They know that they did the best they could, but it doesn't mean they're not filled with regret."

However, as the source tells PEOPLE, Michelle and Jim Bob are not currently focused on the very real possibility that they'll lose the TV show on which they've built a veritable empire: "Right now they're just focused on their faith – and each other."

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Predators will seek out positions/places where they have easy access to victims.

Any institution or place that adheres to certain false beliefs and/or that would be more likely to cover something up, is going to attract predators.

Hopefully, as more and more of these attempts to cover things up are exposed, (due to fame, greed or any other selfish motivation), there will be fewer and fewer that attempt to do so and the welfare of the victims will take top priority.

From all that I have read so far, Michelle is extremely ignorant in her views of sexual assault. It may be a good idea for her to step outside her bubble and read some real factual information. There are a lot of kids, grand kids and more to come in that family and others that don't need to be taught this same ignorance.

Males are not wild beasts that have no self control. Covering ones body head to toe or "not dancing" does not deter or stop rapists.

Oh the ignorance that still exists!

Stop enabling the criminals!

 

[SCHMAE]

No one has said which sisters were victims but according to the police report he molested at least four of them and he had five sisters who had been born at the time, so... Maybe the fifth just didn't wake up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...cy-molestation-probe-report-article-1.2237112

''Michelle and Jim Bob are "devastated" over the leak, '''

Devastated by anything else regarding this ???

 

[Donjeta]

And no one asked how the girls are doing... They were barely mentioned in the apology either.

 

[Tony1902]

''Michelle and Jim Bob are "devastated" over the leak, '''

Devastated by anything else regarding this ???

Hmmmm....$$$$$$$.:tantrum:

 

[CHICANA]

Being "obedient" would also make these children perfect victims. They can't even kick or scream if someone is molesting them, since they are not supposed to behave that way.

They can. They're being taught to obey their mother and as toddlers that's a good thing. My kids were reasonably well behaved, but that didn't stop my son from running from the nice ladies at the church where the vaccine clinic was set up. They looked at me like I was the worst mother ever as he was running, screaming and hiding under tables/chairs. Really out of character, but shows that if a child is afraid or senses danger that they'll likely respond differently than they would to their mother putting them back on the blanket.

 

[blue22]

They can. They're being taught to obey their mother and as toddlers that's a good thing. My kids were reasonably well behaved, but that didn't stop my son from running from the nice ladies at the church where the vaccine clinic was set up. They looked at me like I was the worst mother ever as he was running, screaming and hiding under tables/chairs. Really out of character, but shows that if a child is afraid or senses danger that they'll likely respond differently than they would to their mother putting them back on the blanket.

There is a difference between obedience and minding. The duggar children are taught complete, blind obedience. They aren't just taught to listen and follow rules and behave properly. Not only are they taught blind obedience, but they are taught obedience to men and family.

 

[Hiandmighty]

They can. They're being taught to obey their mother and as toddlers that's a good thing. My kids were reasonably well behaved, but that didn't stop my son from running from the nice ladies at the church where the vaccine clinic was set up. They looked at me like I was the worst mother ever as he was running, screaming and hiding under tables/chairs. Really out of character, but shows that if a child is afraid or senses danger that they'll likely respond differently than they would to their mother putting them back on the blanket.

Molesters aren't boogey men who radiate creep factor. They are usually friends of the family or family members and they have a system where they gradually get closer and closer to the kid.

A placid kid is ripe for victimization because the abuser is a manipulator who gradually erodes any boundaries that are there within the child.

 

[CHICANA]

Talk about sucking the life out of your child, one blanket at a time. :facepalm:

Hey.. I thought this was a great idea until I saw the hitting part.

 

[Bravo]

Devastated over the leak :tantrum: They should have been devastated over the crime committed against these girls.

 

[Donjeta]

Devastated over the leak :tantrum: They should have been devastated over the crime committed against these girls.

No, haven't you read?? it was not a crime, it was an "action" and a "teenage mistake".

 

[Bravo]

I just cant wrap my head around stifling an infants natural curiosity and exploration of the world around them. Nothing like breaking a infants spirit with physical abuse. Good gawd!

 

[Bravo]

No, haven't you read?? it was not a crime, it was an "action" and a "teenage mistake".

My bad (lol) not that this is funny but I have to find moments of humor or implode

 

[blue22]

No, haven't you read?? it was not a crime, it was an "action" and a "teenage mistake".

And don't forget...one that could ruin HIS life.

 

[Bravo]

It has been mentioned several times on the show that Jessa is the outspoken one. She will voice an opinion whether you want to hear it or not. You go girl!!!!!

 

[gitana1]

Someone should do a study to see if there are more sex offenders amongst these sanctimonious goody goody types than the general population .. I have a feeling there would be.

Oh, studies have certainly been done about the connection between the patriarchy and abuse:

How patriarchy facilitates the sexual abuse of boys.
http://www.xyonline.net/content/how-patriarchy-facilitates-sexual-abuse-boys

Rape, rape culture and the problem of patriarchy
http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/rape-rape-culture-problem-patriarchy/

Sexual Assault in Mormon Patriarchy
http://rationalfaiths.com/sexual-assault-in-mormon-patriarchy/

The Connection Between Christian Patriarchy and Sexual Abuse in the Home http://www.wadeburleson.org/2011/05/connection-between-christian-patriarchy.html

Patriarchy, Power, and Sexual Abuse among Christians
http://www.eewc.com/linkoftheday/patriarchy-power-and-sexual-abuse-among-christians/

As to this particular circle including the Duggars, that has been widely reported as well already. It is no surprising that among the Duggars' closest friends, including two that were directly involved in addressing Josh's sexual assaults, there are several scary people. Doug Phillips of Vision Forum didn;t just have an affair. He basically raped and molested a young woman who didn't know what sex was and didn't know how to say no to one of her culture's leaders, the head of a family she worked for and who was supposed to lead her while she was outside the family home. Bill Gothard, who Josh sent months with as "treatment", sexually molested several young ladies and teens involved in his home school ministry. And the state trooper who gave Josh a stern talking to was convicted on 56 counts of child . Much much more at these links, guys (so worth the read):

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...he-duggars-christian-patriarchy-movement.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...string_of_sex_abuse_scandals_rocking_the.html

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...e-arkansas-department-of-human-services-59201

In the once discredited post that had been floating around for years which has been totally accurate thus far and disclosed the Duggar family secret years ago, it was stated that the family had to subject themselves to DHS monitoring and six month check, for few years.

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They can. They're being taught to obey their mother and as toddlers that's a good thing. My kids were reasonably well behaved, but that didn't stop my son from running from the nice ladies at the church where the vaccine clinic was set up. They looked at me like I was the worst mother ever as he was running, screaming and hiding under tables/chairs. Really out of character, but shows that if a child is afraid or senses danger that they'll likely respond differently than they would to their mother putting them back on the blanket.

First, most child molesters aren't strangers but people that the child intimately knows and the tactics they use don't involve an immediate association with pain in many cases, as a vaccine clinic would have for a child. Second, you seem to have had a particularly willful child. Good for him. The vast majority of children raised to be compliant are not like your son. Even without the harsh repressiveness of a patriarchal home.

I understand there are some who feel blanket training is okay as is the use of corporal punishment on babies and toddlers to teach unquestioning obedience. Some may have used these techniques on their own children and feel no harm was done. Studies show, however, that such practices can be quite harmful psychologically and can create the perfect victim.

 

[gitana1]

I just cant wrap my head around stifling an infants natural curiosity and exploration of the world around them. Nothing like breaking a infants spirit with physical abuse. Good gawd!

Yes. It's such a basic misunderstanding of infancy and child development. You can condition a baby with fear but all they are learning is fear and pain. They don't understand. It is the adult's job to comfort them, facilitate curiosity, and keep them safe as they explore. Playpens are okay. Imaginary playpens created with pain and fear are not.

It has been mentioned several times on the show that Jessa is the outspoken one. She will voice an opinion whether you want to hear it or not. You go girl!!!!!

She seems to be. But you never know. Several FLDS women seem quite outspoken when defending their faith but we all know the deal with that group and the role women and children actually have.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I don't know if this has been posted. Sorry, I haven't kept up with the entire thread.

http://www.today.com/popculture/duggar-dad-once-advocated-death-penalty-rape-incest-t23036

eta:

According to a 2002 campaign website attributed to the former Arkansas House Representative, it was his position that "rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes.

I personally don't want to see any more of the family on television. Those children, young and some now grown, have had enough of the camera shoved in the faces.