AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #1

[Dmacky]

The Divine Bette Midler :rose: I love her

Bette Midler is the latest celeb to weigh in on the controversy surrounding Josh Duggar.

The 69-year-old singer legend took to her Twitter page on Monday to sound off on all the molestation allegations that the 19 Kids and Counting star is facing.

"Josh Duggar resigned from an anti-gay 'family' group due to molestation allegations," Midler shared yesterday. "Kids, is there anything more delicious than irony?" Yikes!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/cele...ore-delicious-than-irony/ar-BBkgN1f?ocid=iehp

 

[leah]

I just read this and thought it was interesting about the two girl's wedding. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-party-left-makes-sense-guest-reveals.html

 

[Donjeta]

In the once discredited post that had been floating around for years which has been totally accurate thus far and disclosed the Duggar family secret years ago, it was stated that the family had to subject themselves to DHS monitoring and six month check, for few years.

Would it be too much to hope that DHS monitors Josh and Anna's children from now on?

The post I referenced above stated the oldest girl was not assaulted.

Hm, if true I wonder why. Too close because they were nearest in age, thus the thought of touching her was eww the way the younger weren't? Too scary because as the oldest she was thought to be less vulnerable to abuse and manipulation more apt to take action? Or simply too old to be sexually interesting?

 

[Katerz]

I was talking to a friend of mine about this last night along with the blanket training. She has a 4 month old who is a very curious little boy. I told her how they "train" their babies and toddlers and she was like "that is abuse! Babies are supposed to allowed to explore and have fun! Not sit quietly on a blanket for periods of time!"


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[Hoosgirl]

The state trooper says he was only made aware of one incident and regrets not reporting:

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235

Course, with his background, don't know how credible it is. But at least it says he wasn't paid for the interview!

 

[Inthedetails]

Thinking out loud....

I can recall so many separate instances that happened when I was young.

I had a friend whose house I spent the night at. She had a brother or step brother who would sneak in the room at night and "attempt" to feel under the covers. I remember telling her about it, but no one else. Her response was "oh yeah, he does that to me all the time."

I don't know why I didn't tell anyone about all the different things that happened. I don't recall back then ever having any discussions at home or school on the topic. This is why I advocate so much for education on sexual assault. A clear message needs to be sent on consequences for actions. Everyone needs to be educated on the appropriate way to respond to victims. Victims should not feel shame for crimes committed against them. Although we are making progress, there is still a great deal of victim shaming in our society. This needs to be eliminated and the only way to do so is to continue to speak out and educate.

I wonder now about the reasons I may not have told anyone....

- Afraid I wouldn't be believed?
- I was embarrassed and felt shame (ever though I shouldn't have) because of the nature of the crime?
- I wanted to still be able to do things with friends. Home life was not pleasant at all and I wanted to any escape from that?
- I didn't want the other person to get in trouble?

I can only speak for myself, but I imagine many others have suffered in silence for some or the reasons that I listed above and more that I didn't include.

The "I didn't want the other person to get in trouble" reason that I noted makes me ponder quite a bit. If the offender is a family member, a trusted family friend and/or has a leadership role that others look up to, there are a lot of mixed emotions that a victim could feel for not coming forward. If you do tell and it is not handled properly, then what are the chances of speaking up in the future if it happens again?

I blocked out things for many years and didn't start the healing process until I was in my 40's. I still don't remember a lot of details. I can't turn back time and change anything, I just have to try and continue to move forward, but I do wonder how different my life would have been, had I received proper counseling at a younger age.

We as a society cannot bury or try to minimize these topics, when they are brought up for discussion. We have to progress. No one should have to suffer in silence.

Perpetrators must be dealt with immediately. Victims of all types of trauma, must receive good response and treatment so they can begin to work through the healing process ASAP, not years later.

Your post rings true and familiar with me. Thank you.

Speaking of education, I once screamed out in the night when a drunk male family member crawled into my bed at a family reunion, who hugged me and started to kiss me. I screamed. I knew to scream because I had previously watched one of those afterschool specials on tv. THAT SHOW was my education, not anything my parents or teachers ever said to me. I saw on that show how to respond. This was in the late 70s and I was about 10 years old.

When I screamed, my mom and sister came to where I was sleeping (and where the drunk family member was passed out, or pretended to be passed out) and moved me to another bed with a female relative. In the morning, they joked that I was afraid of a bear (?!?!) in the night and nothing more was ever said about it. I was very shaken and also got the message loud and clear not to discuss the incident again. I never felt like the issue was resolved, but then again, nothing like that happened again.

 

[newone]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...cy-molestation-probe-report-article-1.2237112

from what I could glean those court records are sealed -- wouldn't it be interesting to find out if there was a financial settlement involved??

If so ..... it should go the victims MOO

 

[Hoosgirl]

I had questioned the criminal SOL not having run out at the time of the investigation. Apparently it's only if *not* previously reported to LE.

http://wonkette.com/586581/thanks-t...uggar-will-never-be-prosecuted-thanks-cop-pal

 

[Donjeta]

The Duggars are refusing to comment on the intervention by either department and Josh’s trial against DHS. They also are refusing to say if their family was monitored by a state agency after the 2007 actions and forced to undergo counseling by a licensed mental health professional.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...e-arkansas-department-of-human-services-59201

I'd have felt much better about it if they'd said there was DHS monitoring and licenced counseling (as opposed to stern talking by a child collector).

 

[newone]

I had questioned the criminal SOL not having run out at the time of the investigation. Apparently it's only if *not* previously reported to LE.

http://wonkette.com/586581/thanks-t...uggar-will-never-be-prosecuted-thanks-cop-pal

what if the victim finally reports it to LE wouldn't that reset the clock??

 

[JerseyGirl]

more sponsors steering away from this train wreck:

Jimmy Dean, Pure Leaf Iced Tea, Ace Hardware, David's Bridal, ConAgra Foods, Party City and Behr have all just announced they've removed their ad campaigns from the show and CVS, H&R Block, Ricola and Keurig all say they have no plans of advertising with the show if it's reinstated. The latest batch of skittish advertisers follow in the footsteps of Walgreens and General Mills.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/27/19-ki...rs-tlc-josh-duggar-molestation/#ixzz3bMzo7cQW

 

[Donjeta]

I met Mr CannotKeepHisHandsToHimself at school when I was seven and the reasons I didn't say anything to anybody include, I didn't really know how to put it in words. I don't think he did anything that he could have been prosecuted for, it was just making me very uncomfortable. It was at school and you are pretty much expected to do what adults say, and he had a legitimate reason to be in a private office with me. He was supposed to help me fix my speech impediment and I had never had speech therapy before so I thought maybe you need to sit so close and breath in my face and touch a lot to conduct speech therapy. Anyway, I just hated every moment of it and always sighed of relief when it ended. It's only later on that I've realized why he was so creepy, some years later he was fired for behaving inappropriately with some older girls.

I still have the speech impediment.

 

[kimi_SFC]

I had questioned the criminal SOL not having run out at the time of the investigation. Apparently it's only if *not* previously reported to LE.

http://wonkette.com/586581/thanks-t...uggar-will-never-be-prosecuted-thanks-cop-pal

How utterly (and disgustingly) convenient for Josh, JB and Michelle

The victims voices were silenced into oblivion - systematically by everyone around them who should have been morally and duty-bound to protect them.

Morals and duty - apparently character traits that were (?are) nowhere to be found in this trio (and their former cop-buddy). :moo:

:furious:



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[kimi_SFC]

I met Mr CannotKeepHisHandsToHimself at school when I was seven and the reasons I didn't say anything to anybody include, I didn't really know how to put it in words. I don't think he did anything that he could have been prosecuted for, it was just making me very uncomfortable. It was at school and you are pretty much expected to do what adults say, and he had a legitimate reason to be in a private office with me. He was supposed to help me fix my speech impediment and I had never had speech therapy before so I thought maybe you need to sit so close and breath in my face and touch a lot to conduct speech therapy. Anyway, I just hated every moment of it and always sighed of relief when it ended. It's only later on that I've realized why he was so creepy, some years later he was fired for behaving inappropriately with some older girls.

I still have the speech impediment.

((((((((Donjeta)))))))))




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[Tony1902]

I was talking to a friend of mine about this last night along with the blanket training. She has a 4 month old who is a very curious little boy. I told her how they "train" their babies and toddlers and she was like "that is abuse! Babies are supposed to allowed to explore and have fun! Not sit quietly on a blanket for periods of time!"




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What's wrong with a playpen?

 

[Zuri]

Thanks to all of you for the links. I have been reading here sporadically and really appreciate the views posted.

The hypocrisy is mind blowing. When you preach "hate" against a particular segment of the population, karma is going to bite you in the a$$ sometime, and it just did. I hope to never see these people grace the cover of any magazine again, including PeopleMagazine.

Where is the PR firm they hired to handle this? Has the lobby group or reps for the Duggars issued any press releases justifying any of this? Sorry, I haven't read that far back if they have.

 

[SCHMAE]

I met Mr CannotKeepHisHandsToHimself at school when I was seven and the reasons I didn't say anything to anybody include, I didn't really know how to put it in words. I don't think he did anything that he could have been prosecuted for, it was just making me very uncomfortable. It was at school and you are pretty much expected to do what adults say, and he had a legitimate reason to be in a private office with me. He was supposed to help me fix my speech impediment and I had never had speech therapy before so I thought maybe you need to sit so close and breath in my face and touch a lot to conduct speech therapy. Anyway, I just hated every moment of it and always sighed of relief when it ended. It's only later on that I've realized why he was so creepy, some years later he was fired for behaving inappropriately with some older girls.

I still have the speech impediment.

:heartluv:

 

[Coldpizza]

ADMIN NOTE: In the best interest of the victims, and with respect to their privacy, let's NOT try to pinpoint which siblings OR non-siblings might have been victims of abuse.

Thank you.

:bump:

 

[LinasK]

I met Mr CannotKeepHisHandsToHimself at school when I was seven and the reasons I didn't say anything to anybody include, I didn't really know how to put it in words. I don't think he did anything that he could have been prosecuted for, it was just making me very uncomfortable. It was at school and you are pretty much expected to do what adults say, and he had a legitimate reason to be in a private office with me. He was supposed to help me fix my speech impediment and I had never had speech therapy before so I thought maybe you need to sit so close and breath in my face and touch a lot to conduct speech therapy. Anyway, I just hated every moment of it and always sighed of relief when it ended. It's only later on that I've realized why he was so creepy, some years later he was fired for behaving inappropriately with some older girls.

I still have the speech impediment.

Sorry to hear it Donjeta:grouphug:, at least he finally got fired for the right reason! Speech Therapy obviously wasn't what he was doing with you, and it additionally pains me, not only as a victim, but also because it maligns my former profession.

 

[milkymama]

I always thought the blanket training was abusive (hitting a BABY is WRONG.) Now that I know that the babies were LURED off the blanket, I consider it both mentally and physically abusive and needs to be stopped.