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  • #222
well this sort of contradicts Jim Bob's version too... wasn't it supposed to be a stern talking-to that the trooper gave him?
But this sounds rather disinterested.

Heck, the state trooper (child pornographer) probably just asked if he took any photos!! :gaah:
 
  • #223
Megyn Kelly always asks the hard questions, she doesn't coddle anyone. She is not even close to being like Huckabee.

Here's the one and only question I want answered: "If this same fondling/ molesting had been committed upon your daughters and the other little girl by a non-godly 14 year old boy- how would your response been different and why?"
 
  • #224
what if a transgender person from gay parents' family did all the same stuff that Josh did, in a bathroom, would you say it was just a mistake? Think no more of it if he says he's sorry?
 
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what if a transgender person from gay parents' family did all the same stuff that Josh did, in a bathroom, would you say it was just a mistake? Think no more of it if he says he's sorry?

I'm pretty sure they would support lethal injection for that 'criminal' . Good question. This will be a ' s*** or get off the pot' moment for Fox news in my opinion. It will be very clear where their ' fair and balanced' vs. political affiliation lie after this interview. I am hopeful they will do the right thing and not kiss Huck's friends' butt.
 
  • #227
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What Josh did was clearly and unmistakably wrong. There are victims here that deserved better.

However, I want to ask a question that has been bothering me regarding the whole disclosure of this situation. I think there is an issue here that has been brushed by that to me is a danger. Yes, Josh Duggar is a "public persona", and as such, he leaves himself, his actions, his past, his present, his future open to public scrutiny. The letter left in the bible, his public apology, these things are full game for the public, the media, the talking-heads o discuss. However, I take great displeasure in the fact that the media was given and published a report regarding a juvenile - a NON-CONVICTED juvenile. The record of a non-convicted - actually if I understand it correctly, a non-charged - juvenile was released to the media for everyone in the nation to dissect. I think this is a very dangerous breach of individual rights. Here we are, after pages and pages of discussion, regarding an incident from years ago that should never have been made public, unless the courts decided to pursue charges. When Michael Brown was shot, one of the things that the media first began searching for was his juvenile record. It was stated in the beginning that this would not be released. I didn't follow close enough to see if it ever was.

What bothers me a great deal about this situation is the questions, "Should this police report ever have been allowed to be released to the public?"
 
  • #228
I'm pretty sure they would support lethal injection for that 'criminal' . Good question. This will be a ' s*** or get off the pot' moment for Fox news in my opinion. It will be very clear where their ' fair and balanced' vs. political affiliation lie after this interview. I am hopeful they will do the right thing and not kiss Huck's friends' butt.

BBM

Isn't it already perfectly clear?
 
  • #229
What bothers me a great deal about this situation is the questions, "Should this police report ever have been allowed to be released to the public?"

The police report had identities redacted, so his confidentiality was protected; he, however, admitted to the repeated molestation of the girls, in his self-centered and self-absolving 'apology'.
 
  • #230
Curious? I think he would have satisfied that the first or second time. Why is he curious with so many children over and over again?

I dunno, for the same reason men would like to see 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 over and over. A 14 year old boy is going to want to see a female's body parts over and over again. Unfortunately for him, there was no girlfriend or 🤬🤬🤬🤬 site to help him out with that.
 
  • #231
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What Josh did was clearly and unmistakably wrong. There are victims here that deserved better.

However, I want to ask a question that has been bothering me regarding the whole disclosure of this situation. I think there is an issue here that has been brushed by that to me is a danger. Yes, Josh Duggar is a "public persona", and as such, he leaves himself, his actions, his past, his present, his future open to public scrutiny. The letter left in the bible, his public apology, these things are full game for the public, the media, the talking-heads o discuss. However, I take great displeasure in the fact that the media was given and published a report regarding a juvenile - a NON-CONVICTED juvenile. The record of a non-convicted - actually if I understand it correctly, a non-charged - juvenile was released to the media for everyone in the nation to dissect. I think this is a very dangerous breach of individual rights. Here we are, after pages and pages of discussion, regarding an incident from years ago that should never have been made public, unless the courts decided to pursue charges. When Michael Brown was shot, one of the things that the media first began searching for was his juvenile record. It was stated in the beginning that this would not be released. I didn't follow close enough to see if it ever was.

What bothers me a great deal about this situation is the questions, "Should this police report ever have been allowed to be released to the public?"

I read somewhere that because he was never allowed to be interviewed and the inquiry was closed, he didn't officially have a juvenile record. Because of that loophole, it's perfectly legal for the document to be published. If the parents hadn't refused to allow their child to be questioned, then this particular investigation and document WOULD have been sealed.

Some serious irony at play

ETA... there was something about this being done (the investigation) when he was an adult and the fact that he refused to respond. The inquiry was closed so it couldn't be retroactively applied to juvenile court...... (or was it if the parents had allowed this to be dealt with before he was 18 then everything would have been sealed....???)
 
  • #232
I don't know why Social Services WOULDN'T take these steps, given these revelations. If even one girl was untruthful in stating that the abuse had ended more than 3 years prior to the December 2006 interviews, the parents obstructed the investigations if they coached their daughters. And checking to see there was nothing going on in Josh's own family would be reasonable. If a man will molest his sisters, are his daughters safe?

Unfortunately, many of our laws are not proactive and without new allegations, I don't think CPS could legally open an investigation.

One day my daughter told me about a little girl in her neighborhood coming over and telling her that when the police would come, she had to hide from them. Her father or step-father, was a convicted child molester and on the registry as a high level offender. I contacted the department of the sheriffs office that does the periodic checks on registered sex offenders. I was told that as long as the offender is no longer on parole, there is nothing that can be done, unless of course, there are new allegations of abuse. There are sex offender laws in place that try to keep offenders away from schools, etc., but there are no laws that prevent them from marrying or living in households full of children or having many children of their own.

Another thing I find extremely troubling, is the mindset of the women that marry and live with these offenders. While there are those of us on one side that advocate for laws and preventive measures to protect children, there is also a large group, made up of many wives, girlfriends, mothers, etc. of sex offenders that work feverishly to attempt to abolish all sex offender laws. Some have made their way into political positions or have managed to influence those in political positions by spreading false information. Many have blogs where they frequently whine about their lives and the laws.

All of these sex offender "advocates" that I have encountered seem to tell the same story of the offender being wrongly accused and convicted or, if the offender was convicted at a young age I will frequently here the story of it being "consensual". When further examining the police reports and court documents, this is very far from the truth of what actually happened.

There is much talk from these sex offender "advocates" about innocence, forgiveness and the fact that because they served their time, they feel there shouldn't be any other criteria for these offenders. I hear ZERO talk from them about the victims of the offenders crimes or any preventive measures to see that children are protected from the offenders.

I have asked myself, are these women that live with or marry child molesters that desperate for a man that they will place that above the safety of their own children? I think so many confuse what forgiveness really means. Forgiveness to me anyway, is not opening your home and life and those lives around you up by taking huge risks of safety for yourself and the other members of the family.

I find the many preachings of forgiveness among religion to be extremely dangerous, because of the message sent is it's the christian thing to do. Taken to extremes, some feel it is acceptable and the right thing to do and that leaves them and their family members extremely vulnerable for abuse. These false interpretations of forgiveness, have allowed many predators access to additional victims and provided protection for offenders by keeping things silent within certain circles.

Another thing that comes to mind when I see they family members, spouses and partners defend these perpetrators is the frequent denial we see that is so common in most all criminal cases. "My son, my husband, my friend is such a good person and wouldn't do anything like that. They may have had a past but found Jesus and turned their life around".

Michelle Duggar chose to advocate against LGBT rights using the example of a pedophile dressing as a woman to gain access to female restrooms. I have never personally heard any stories from victims of sexual assault that happened by strangers in restrooms. (I'm not saying it never has happened). There are hundreds of thousands of instances of sexual assault that have occurred within the home ones circle, by offenders that are/were family member and so called close friends.

Is Michelle Duggar in denial, is she trying to deflect or is she just plain ignorant?
 
  • #233
In this situation, yes.

To me him turning molester is like men turning gay in prison. A circumstantial occurrence.

If we apply this logic to others, how many sexual predators could be excused? 10%? 50%?
 
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What Josh did was clearly and unmistakably wrong. There are victims here that deserved better.

However, I want to ask a question that has been bothering me regarding the whole disclosure of this situation. I think there is an issue here that has been brushed by that to me is a danger. Yes, Josh Duggar is a "public persona", and as such, he leaves himself, his actions, his past, his present, his future open to public scrutiny. The letter left in the bible, his public apology, these things are full game for the public, the media, the talking-heads o discuss. However, I take great displeasure in the fact that the media was given and published a report regarding a juvenile - a NON-CONVICTED juvenile. The record of a non-convicted - actually if I understand it correctly, a non-charged - juvenile was released to the media for everyone in the nation to dissect. I think this is a very dangerous breach of individual rights. Here we are, after pages and pages of discussion, regarding an incident from years ago that should never have been made public, unless the courts decided to pursue charges. When Michael Brown was shot, one of the things that the media first began searching for was his juvenile record. It was stated in the beginning that this would not be released. I didn't follow close enough to see if it ever was.

What bothers me a great deal about this situation is the questions, "Should this police report ever have been allowed to be released to the public?"

I don't think that anything that was documented when he was a juvenile probably should have been released. Any documentation or allegations of offenses, once he was an adult though, even though those offenses happened when he was a juvenile may be fair game.

Maybe our legal expert can chime in on this.
 
  • #235
"Brown Sisters Speak Out About Duggars Scandal: 'If Something Looks Too Good to Be True, It Probably Is'"

http://www.people.com/article/desirae-deondra-brown-speak-josh-duggar-scandal

"The two sisters, part of the classical piano ensemble The Five Browns, came forward in 2011 with the shocking news that they had been sexually abused by their father. Desirae, 36, tells PEOPLE there are red flags to look for when it comes to abuse, some of which she clearly saw just by watching 19 Kids and Counting. 'I remember watching the show and mentioning to friends and family that I feel something is off and something will come out,' Desirae says. She says some of the warning signs included controlling parents, very submissive children and an isolated environment."

Here's what they said in 2011 which seems so apropos today: “It almost broke us to know that we didn’t get the support from people we had loved and respected our whole lives,” said Desirae. Deondra added that one important lesson they learned was how quickly the victims are put on trial. “It is something for other survivors to realize,” she said. “[Abusers] will try to make you feel like it is not a big deal. They will try to get people around you to think it is not a big deal. They will lie to the law. You are going to have to stand by what you believe is the truth.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/28/the-5-browns-speak-out-about-their-sex-abuse-ordeal-exclusive.html
 
  • #236
http://www.sheknows.com/living/arti...iss-in-front-of-duggar-family-home-in-protest

As an afterthought, the story says Michelle's sister is a lesbian. I didn't know that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mom-19-s-braining-washing-religious-cult.html


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Some more background:


She's the woman who took the photo of the lesbian couple kissing.

In a 2013 radio interview, Josh Duggar acknowledged that Ruark was, in fact, a lesbian, but insisted she still opposed gay marriage anyway. “I have an aunt who has chosen to live that life and I love my aunt. I think she is an amazing person,” he said, but “she believes that marriage is between one man and one woman.”

Earlier this month, Ruark’s nephew Josh Duggar, a policy director at the Family Research Council, claimed he and his family were fighting a Fayetteville, Arkansas nondiscrimination law intended to protect the LGBT community in order to save gays and lesbians from the “sad, lonely lifestyle.”
http://www.alternet.org/gay-hating-duggars-have-lesbian-their-family-and-she-thinks-theyre-crazy

So essentially, you should be allowed to discriminate against gay people to encourage them not to be gay? Ugh. Can't stand this child molester.
 
  • #237
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What would happen if other 14 year old boys were touching 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and vaginas of girls who do not give permission? Girls who are many years younger?
 
  • #238
Unfortunately, many of our laws are not proactive and without new allegations, I don't think CPS could legally open an investigation.

One day my daughter told me about a little girl in her neighborhood coming over and telling her that when the police would come, she had to hide from them. Her father or step-father, was a convicted child molester and on the registry as a high level offender. I contacted the department of the sheriffs office that does the periodic checks on registered sex offenders. I was told that as long as the offender is no longer on parole, there is nothing that can be done, unless of course, there are new allegations of abuse. There are sex offender laws in place that try to keep offenders away from schools, etc., but there are no laws that prevent them from marrying or living in households full of children or having many children of their own.

Another thing I find extremely troubling, is the mindset of the women that marry and live with these offenders. While there are those of us on one side that advocate for laws and preventive measures to protect children, there is also a large group, made up of many wives, girlfriends, mothers, etc. of sex offenders that work feverishly to attempt to abolish all sex offender laws. Some have made their way into political positions or have managed to influence those in political positions by spreading false information. Many have blogs where they frequently whine about their lives and the laws.

All of these sex offender "advocates" that I have encountered seem to tell the same story of the offender being wrongly accused and convicted or, if the offender was convicted at a young age I will frequently here the story of it being "consensual". When further examining the police reports and court documents, this is very far from the truth of what actually happened.

There is much talk from these sex offender "advocates" about innocence, forgiveness and the fact that because they served their time, they feel there shouldn't be any other criteria for these offenders. I hear ZERO talk from them about the victims of the offenders crimes or any preventive measures to see that children are protected from the offenders.

I have asked myself, are these women that live with or marry child molesters that desperate for a man that they will place that above the safety of their own children? I think so many confuse what forgiveness really means. Forgiveness to me anyway, is not opening your home and life and those lives around you up by taking huge risks of safety for yourself and the other members of the family.

I find the many preachings of forgiveness among religion to be extremely dangerous, because of the message sent is it's the christian thing to do. Taken to extremes, some feel it is acceptable and the right thing to do and that leaves them and their family members extremely vulnerable for abuse. These false interpretations of forgiveness, have allowed many predators access to additional victims and provided protection for offenders by keeping things silent within certain circles.

Another thing that comes to mind when I see they family members, spouses and partners defend these perpetrators is the frequent denial we see that is so common in most all criminal cases. "My son, my husband, my friend is such a good person and wouldn't do anything like that. They may have had a past but found Jesus and turned their life around".

Michelle Duggar chose to advocate against LGBT rights using the example of a pedophile dressing as a woman to gain access to female restrooms. I have never personally heard any stories from victims of sexual assault that happened by strangers in restrooms. (I'm not saying it never has happened). There are hundreds of thousands of instances of sexual assault that have occurred within the home ones circle, by offenders that are/were family member and so called close friends.

Is Michelle Duggar in denial, is she trying to deflect or is she just plain ignorant?

And how many of these victims suffer from depression, obesity, what else? because of their molestation.

The molester goes blithely on. Makes me sick! How dare they!!!!
 
  • #239
http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html

•The typical offender is male, begins molesting by age 15, engages in a variety of deviant behavior, and molests an average of 117 youngsters, most of whom do not report the offense.
-Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.
 
  • #240
I don't think that anything that was documented when he was a juvenile probably should have been released. Any documentation or allegations of offenses, once he was an adult though, even though those offenses happened when he was a juvenile may be fair game.

Maybe our legal expert can chime in on this.

He was not a juvenile. He was two months shy of 19 when the police report was made.
 
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