AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #2

[wenwe4]

((((Hugs))))) Bernina! I'm so sorry for what you had to endure, but I am thankful that you are able to speak out for those vulnerable little voices who haven't been allowed to be vocal.

I think there are predators in every religion, and usually their "faith" allows them even more latitude because people want to believe the best of those they think are of like minds in their religions. Unfortunately, most good people will stand up, cover up, and clam up for those they just can't believe could do such harm.

Ted Bundy worked at the suicide hotline next to Ann Rule. boy scout leaders convicted of sexually abusing kids in their charge. It just takes one charismatic predators/perpetrator and an entire congregation to cover up.

 

[RJA00]

From Josh and Anna's website -- more of the 'mistake' rhetoric:

http://ja20.com/

"If you have made mistakes, start from where you are and let God be the sole proprietor of your life… including your love life! We all make mistakes, but God looks at our heart and says that when we give him what we have left, he can take it and do great things!"

I just wish they would not call what josh did a mistake or accident, what he did was a criminal offense, you cant do that do someone and call it accident
if you have affair i guess you can call it a mistake. but you can not abuse someone and call it mistake or accident.

I was 17 years old and rear ended a car. well, It was accident, mistake i didnt meant too but I still lost my car, I had to go on high risk insurnce until I was 21 (that was my only accident knock on wood) I know that is a bad example but i still had consequences for my actions for a mistake. My parents did not cover for me, I had to save money for a used car, parents helped buy the first but because of my mistake i was on my own for the next one.

If i was going to get a job the required driving, they would see my record of my accident, mistake. I'm sure it is off my recorded now almost 30 years ago.



I do feel josh should have had court mandated counseling, but we cant blame josh for not getting help, he was underage that should of been done by his parents. there should of been case workers checking on minors in that house but again we cant blame josh for that he was a minor. I guess we can say his parents made a mistake by not helping josh the right way.

I don't know what the parents was thinking starting this show, knowing this could come out at any time. I just wonder if there would of been any report if there had not been any non-family victims.

 

[blue22]

Of course he did.

Think he is the kind of therapist that JimBob disapproves of?

And btw, what would a poly prove? Josh admitted his crimes. There is nothing to poly him for unless they plan on determining if he is sexually attracted to children.

I don't believe he has admitted to his crimes. I don't think he, or his parents view this as assault and incest. He thinks he made a "teenager mistake" not incestuously sexually molested his sisters. He has admitted to a mistake, but not molestation and incest.

 

[newone]

I just wish they would not call what josh did a mistake or accident, what he did was a criminal offense, you cant do that do someone and call it accident
if you have affair i guess you can call it a mistake. but you can not abuse someone and call it mistake or accident.

I was 17 years old and rear ended a car. well, It was accident, mistake i didnt meant too but I still lost my car, I had to go on high risk insurnce until I was 21 (that was my only accident knock on wood) I know that is a bad example but i still had consequences for my actions for a mistake. My parents did not cover for me, I had to save money for a used car, parents helped buy the first but because of my mistake i was on my own for the next one.

If i was going to get a job the required driving, they would see my record of my accident, mistake. I'm sure it is off my recorded now almost 30 years ago.



I do feel josh should have had court mandated counseling, but we cant blame josh for not getting help, he was underage that should of been done by his parents. there should of been case workers checking on minors in that house but again we cant blame josh for that he was a minor. I guess we can say his parents made a mistake by not helping josh the right way.

I don't know what the parents was thinking starting this show, knowing this could come out at any time. I just wonder if there would of been any report if there had not been any non-family victims.

my visceral response is "nope" ((bbm))

 

[wendiesan]

Nope. You're forgetting that they have a multitude of siblings of the same sex. No child in that family is ever alone. They share rooms and beds with their younger siblings and baths are done assembly line style. The only exception might be if they're pooping but chances are they have another sibling in the bathroom with them then as well.


Remember, the house they were in when this went on was only 2000 square feet, had only two bathrooms and I think 3 bedrooms and housed 14-16 kids. Footage of that time shows kids lined up at the bathroom banging on it and the door opening and a kid or two coming out.

I think the best they could hope for was a quick, two minute bowel movement alone. That was the extent of their privacy.

So when they had 9 kids in one bedroom and 7 or 8 in another, and two bathrooms to be used by 18 people or so, where was Arkansas CPS. If this was all televised, where were the officials who had proof that the housing, privacy and care standards were not being met by the clan.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/homestudyreqs.pdf
Minimum Standards for Foster Homes Ann. Code § 38-7-7; Admin. Code R. 660-5-29-03
The department shall prescribe and publish minimum standards for licensing and for approving foster care homes. The standards shall include regulations pertaining to the appropriateness, safety, cleanliness, and general adequacy of the premises, including maintenance of adequate fire prevention and health standards conforming to State laws and municipal codes to provide for the physical comfort, care, well-being, and safety of children.
In regulation: The home and grounds shall be maintained in a clean and safe condition.
• A play space for indoor and outdoor activities will be provided. • The residence shall have a working telephone, electrical service, gas, comfortably regulated cooling and heating, adequate
lighting, and a safe water supply. • Beds and mattresses shall be of size and quality to allow good sleeping posture. • Separate sleeping rooms shall be provided for children over age 6 who are of the opposite sex. • An adequate number of bedrooms shall be provided for all persons residing in the home. • Sanitary bathroom facilities that provide privacy shall be available for use by family members and foster children. • Nothing that constitutes a hazard is allowed on the property. There shall be appropriate safeguards against potential hazards.

Just how far does this cult's influence reach? I guess pretty far if a judge illegally destroys legal documents at their request. Or if a former governor minimizes the damage done by Josh.

 

[mrsobrien]

So when they had 9 kids in one bedroom and 7 or 8 in another, and two bathrooms to be used by 18 people or so, where was Arkansas CPS. If this was all televised, where were the officials who had proof that the housing, privacy and care standards were not being met by the clan.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/homestudyreqs.pdf
Minimum Standards for Foster Homes Ann. Code § 38-7-7; Admin. Code R. 660-5-29-03
The department shall prescribe and publish minimum standards for licensing and for approving foster care homes. The standards shall include regulations pertaining to the appropriateness, safety, cleanliness, and general adequacy of the premises, including maintenance of adequate fire prevention and health standards conforming to State laws and municipal codes to provide for the physical comfort, care, well-being, and safety of children.
In regulation: The home and grounds shall be maintained in a clean and safe condition.
• A play space for indoor and outdoor activities will be provided. • The residence shall have a working telephone, electrical service, gas, comfortably regulated cooling and heating, adequate
lighting, and a safe water supply. • Beds and mattresses shall be of size and quality to allow good sleeping posture. • Separate sleeping rooms shall be provided for children over age 6 who are of the opposite sex. • An adequate number of bedrooms shall be provided for all persons residing in the home. • Sanitary bathroom facilities that provide privacy shall be available for use by family members and foster children. • Nothing that constitutes a hazard is allowed on the property. There shall be appropriate safeguards against potential hazards.

Just how far does this cult's influence reach? I guess pretty far if a judge illegally destroys legal documents at their request. Or if a former governor minimizes the damage done by Josh.

I think this only applies to homes for foster children.

 

[wendiesan]

I think this only applies to homes for foster children.

Good point. I thought this was a good starting point to see what CPS thought was acceptable housing for children and adolescents.

Anyway, it's probably moot now anyway.

A representative from the Arkansas Child Protective Services made the following statement via press release, “The recent admission of guilt from Josh Duggar surrounding his involvement in the abuse of children is not only troubling, but it is a clear sign that our involvement is needed. With our current knowledge of the events that transpired in the Duggar home, it would be against the law for our organization to turn a blind eye to the potential abuse transpiring in the home (the Duggar home).”
Dale Lancaster, a veteran social worker within the Department of Arkansas Protective Services, told CNN correspondent Lisa Cornia, during a brief interview, “It is not uncommon for a parent to feel the need to cover up the mistakes of their children, however mistakes that result in the abuse, physical or sexual, of the other children in the home, cannot be ignored. It is hard for a parent of 2 or 3 children to have a full understanding of everything that is happening in the home, I can only imagine trying to keep up with the activities of 19 children, 8 of which are under the age of 16. Our hope is that our presence is welcome by the entire family, including Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.”
http://nationalreport.net/child-pro...stigation-duggar-family/#sthash.8cumFQKJ.dpuf

 

[Doghairrules]

Dr. Phil has invited Josh and JimBob onto his show for a polygraph test.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-dr-phil-lie-detector-test/

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there is no way in heaven they will accept this invitation. Also, haven't lie detectors been discredited except on the Dr. Phil show?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Many of the residents in Washington County, Arkansas, are reeling from a scandal that has put them – and their most famous residents – under a microscope.

There are few inside the Duggars' county without an opinion about the explosive reveal that Michelle and Jim Bob's eldest child Josh was investigated as a teen for the alleged molestation of five underage girls.

The reactions are wide-ranging:

http://www.people.com/article/josh-...ringdale-fayetteville-arkansas-residents-feel

 

[IzzyBlanche]

In this picture from the link I posted above, Michelle's blouse is button-straining tight. Could this be considered defrauding? Discuss.

And where is Jim Bob's other hand?

:lol:

 

[Montjoy]

Aw, how cute, their shirts match too! Mind you, as bad as his hair is, Jim Bob is getting the better deal. I can't imagine how much time it must take for Michelle to get that carefully considered coif.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Aw, how cute, their shirts match too! Mind you, as bad as his hair is, Jim Bob is getting the better deal. I can't imagine how much time it must take for Michelle to get that carefully considered coif.

Apparently they are partial to a matching color clothing scheme. Perhaps Jim Bob owns only the one tie.

I will refrain from commenting on the lamp growing out of Michelle's head, or the horns it gives her.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

And again.

 

[Montjoy]

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that Jim Bob makes all of the color choices. I don't know why, but it really does seem consistent with the general creepiness of this family.

 

[Montjoy]

I just wish they would not call what josh did a mistake or accident, what he did was a criminal offense, you cant do that do someone and call it accident
if you have affair i guess you can call it a mistake. but you can not abuse someone and call it mistake or accident.

Yeah, this is the point. You can't say "Oh well Ted Bundy/Henry Lee Lucas -- they had a lot of foibles, made a lot of gaffes, mistakes. But then we prayed a lot, they apologized, and everything is hunky dory."

 

[RJA00]

Yeah, this is the point. You can't say "Oh well Ted Bundy/Henry Lee Lucas -- they had a lot of foibles, made a lot of gaffes, mistakes. But then we prayed a lot, they apologized, and everything is hunky dory."

I seen something on twitter, it said josh didn't mean too. just bothered me all day. that is something I hear from my son and others, we were rough housing I didn't mean to break the lamp I am sorry. yes, I threw the ball I didn't mean to break the window.
those reason are acceptable to say I didn't mean too. there still consequences for their actions but they really didn't meant to do it.

I just hope the victims were not told hey, he didn't mean too it will be alright. for them to say that, it looks like they had to hear that somewhere

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Aw, how cute, their shirts match too! Mind you, as bad as his hair is, Jim Bob is getting the better deal. I can't imagine how much time it must take for Michelle to get that carefully considered coif.

Oh far out matchy matchy couples are near as bad as everyone with the same initial .. Oh wait!

 

[JerseyGirl]

more Duggar scandal: https://fakejoshduggar.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/you-be-the-judge/

 

[Montjoy]

I just hope the victims were not told hey, he didn't mean too it will be alright. for them to say that, it looks like they had to hear that somewhere

As mad as I am about Josh Duggar, I'm even sadder about the girls. They were basically victimized twice. First, by Josh. And then later, and for so many years -- most of their childhoods -- they were victimized by their parents, who had them continue to live with someone who molested them and who the parents had forgiven (and perhaps still treated as a golden child, as he was the first born son).

No shortage of things to be angry about here.

 

[human]

No. There are several countries with either no legal limit or a limit under 13: http://chartsbin.com/view/sr6

Thank goodness not too many. My point was in reference to the Duggar girls not realizing that sex was not OK for children.

It looks pretty rare in the world as something that is socially acceptable. Of course we see with all of this expose with the Duggars that child sex can be "forgiven".

I no longer am surprised that there are something like 1,000,000 hits a month on child . All you have to do is be sorry and people apparently forgive you.