AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #2

[SCHMAE]

I shared the same type of situation growing up. When my dad busted my nose backhanding me one evening, I went to school the next day and bought a joint. I was 12 years old. I started self medicating. This was on the heals of telling my mom that Grandpa was molesting me.
My family was just AWESOME at sweeping crap under the carpet, while sitting in the front pew of the church EVERY FRICKIN' SUNDAY, hey, man, it's all about appearances, doncha know?
The LDS Ward we attended put our dysfunctional family on a pedestal. But ya just don't know what goes on behind closed doors............

Yep, yep, yep ! And if your eyes got sleepy or you yawned too much, you'd catch he** after church. Ah, good times !

 

[LisaB]

And how many of us had our parents do this in front of us? It was so creepy, and I'm just guessing that Michelle has to go along with it even if she doesn't want to.

I watched the clip, and she did seem sort of uncomfortable with it. Meanwhile Jessa and Ben didn't even look away. If my parents had done that, I'd have found something really interesting to look at... way over THERE...

 

[leah]

I saw that. I am.a grandmother. In all of my years , in all of my travels, with all of my friends and in all of the situations where I have been, I have necer once seen parents act like that. Ever. If I did, I would remove them from my circle of friends or acquaintences.

Who acts like that in front of their children??

Maybe some stars or someone hopped up on drugs.

I'm a grandma as well, and never, ever have seen this behavior.

 

[LisaB]

Not just Josh. Despite the seeming sexually repressed environment, all of the Duggar children had to know that their parents spent a lot of time in the bedroom. What did they think was going on? :waitasec: It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that whatever went on in the parents' bedroom resulted in all those babies. Did they ever come up for air? :angel:

Have you seen the "Hey" video? Apparently "Hey" and "Hey Hey!" are "Duggarisms". Someone built a montage video showing how all the members of the family overuse certain words "amazing" and "special" among them, and also used a lot of clips with Jim Bob saying "Hey", "Hey guys" and "Hey Hey!" There was a snippet of him telling Michelle it was time to "go to bed and 'hey HEY hey". The whole family was shown the video and commented that they had not realized how often these words were used. Then one daughter, I think Jessa, made a remark about "Hey" and "Hey Hey" being "greetings" while "Hey hey hey" was used to mean "something else".

 

[Bernina]

Im only going to comment about my feelings about what happened and the interview.

I am not about bashing people or tearing them down.
I watched the interview last night and plan to watch the one with the girls on Friday.

What I saw is parents who did what they thought was best to protect all their children.

His age, his acts, all play into this for me and I don't see a child predator. I see a kid curious about sexual things and probably with no real outlet to discuss or act on it in an appropriate way he explored in the wrong way.
I don't see a rapist or a criminal. I see a boy who made mistakes and owned up to them and did everything he was supposed to do. He went to his parents who got everyone counseling, who sent him to a place to help him see the problem and fix it AND they went to the police.

I think this is more about smearing them then it is about the truth of what happened.
If the girls who were touched have forgiven him, If there is no criminal charges, if this happened only as a juvenile.

This never should have been released. Maybe if he had done something as an adult, or if there were current charges but this was indeed dug up just to hurt people. Something that should have been destroyed years ago.

Im done talking about this until the girls appear on Friday.

Being a parent of the offender and the victims would have to be a horrible position and I think they did what they knew best and it seems completely on board to me.

I guess you don't realize that Michelle was an "outsider", was a cheerleader, came from a worldly upbringing. She's no delicate flower. She chose to join these freaks.

They do NOT represent main stream Christianity.

They're not being "smeared", they're being "called out". You obviously didn't read the police report or follow the time line. Their response to this illegal activity was carefully orchestrated.

15 year olds don't digitally penetrate minors because they're curious. They don't creep around at night and fondle "sleeping" minors. Is that how "kids", if that's what a 15 year old is, play "Doctor" or exercise their "curiosity"?

Most 15 year old males have pubic hair, under arm hair, a maturing voice, and the beginnings of facial hair, way into their puberty. <---that is not a "kid" or a "child".

 

[Jayarre]

http://5newsonline.com/2015/06/03/s...g-josh-duggar-sexual-molestation-allegations/


5NEWS requested the incident report from the Washington County Sheriff’s Office and received the following reply from Kelly Cantrell, the sheriff’s office public information officer,:

 

[song22]

That video of JB and Michelle acting sexual in front of their courting kids was really weird and a red flag for me regarding JB. He was hyping up his own sexuality in front of his kids in a pretty exhibitionist way--like, Hey look at me I'm so virile and turn my wife on and here's what I do (dry humping her from behind) to your mother when we do the Hey Hey Hey!

That really doesn't fit with the whole emphasis on purity. It seems more like JB likes to control his children's sexuality while flaunting his own.

The fox interview was such a joke. I mean there was so many ways that Megyn could have followed up--Michelle says they instituted safe guards--but the glaring question is really how can you watch over and protect your children when there are 19 of them?! And having older kids parent younger kids--not just helping like in a normal family--is emotionally abusive. When a young teenager has to feed and clean and discipline a child (including using corporal punishment) as a regular part of their life (not just a few hours here and there babysitting)--that is not at all appropriate. Teen's brains aren't developed enough to access risk or to make sound judgments to the extent that you would have to in that kind of situation. They aren't just babysitting--these teens would be parenting. The whole thing is insane and it just shows how all kinds of dysfunctional behavior can be normalized--to the extent that they are celebrated and admired and watched by millions of viewers. It's so nuts.

 

[Bernina]

All this is just too close to home.................grrr............I'm just going to read from a far after taking a huge break from this thread. :seeya:

 

[JerseyGirl]

Jessa said what her brother did was "very wrong" but added, "I do want to speak up in his defense against people who are calling him a child molester or a pedophile or a rapist, some people are saying. I'm like that is so overboard and a lie really, I mean people get mad at me for saying that but I can say this because I was one of the victims."

http://www.people.com/article/josh-...l-michelle-jim-bob-megyn-kelly-fox-news-video

The girls SHOULD NOT have their own show - while I'm glad the girls can forgive Josh - whatever helps them sleep at night - BUT - to have the nerve to go on national television and say that molestation isn't that big of a deal is stupid, dangerous, and prideful!

 

[MsMarple]

From leah's post. I have always believed it is JB's way of peeing higher on the fire hydrant than the other dog. It shows his ownership of Michelle and his status as the puppeteer. But, I wonder if he ever realized that much of the general public would be epically creeped out about the way it sexualizes their relationship in front of their children. jmvho

eta: This may explain, possibly, Josh believing that he could approach his sisters in a sexual way. Being male, he had that power. They were just supposed to take it.

RBBM

Jane Goodall would have a field day with this family; more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

JMO, but I think there are a few hints that this sect has some problems dealing with sex and sexuality.

First, the head of the Duggars' fertility cult has the name of a fake star!! Bill Gothard?? Really. Maybe Southpark had some influence in choosing the names for this guy. Obviously, sublimation didn't completely work for him.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/gl...d-harassment-investigation-released-iblp.html

And then Jim Bob is a the man so unashamedly obsessed with his daughters' sexuality that he complains about the length of a three year old's dress. (A Duggar Says Yes Part 5/6). However, he himself engages in sexually explicit "play" with Michelle while DOUBLE DATING with his Ben and Jessa. In fact, he taunts the younger couple in a stupid "I can do this but you can't" way that is, I guess, supposed to be funny. I found it disturbing.

[video=youtube;JVjRiQw9KLw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjRiQw9KLw[/video]

Bringing this forward since a picture is worth a thousand words. There is serious cognitive dissonance in the Duggar family; not only are the children under-educated and unfamiliar with evidence-based science, they are also subjected to inappropriate PDA by their own parents!

At a miniature golf course no less - you know, where families go to have fun. Imagine the reaction ma and pa Duggar would have if this clip was reenacted by a gay or trangendered couple. Methinks they'd be swooping their children away post haste, screaming "Nike!" and complaining about the "indecent" behavior of "those" people.

IMO the Duggars are hypocrites of the dangerous variety.

 

[song22]

Also, what is up with the photograph of that woman LEO that Fox put up on the screen during the interview? The implication I got was that this woman has a personal vendetta against the Duggars. They said she refused to shake Josh's hand and said she wasn't ready to retire because she "had a few things left to do" (cue scary music) Who is she? What is the story there? I'd be very nervous if I was her and had my picture thrown up on Fox news as the bad guy in all this. I hope she is not a member of the LGBT community--Lord have mercy--would that be the "agenda" the Duggars were insinuating? What did she do exactly? I mean did she just repond to the freedom of information act request--or was she a whistleblower somehow? Just curious.

 

[Jayarre]

http://5newsonline.com/2015/06/03/s...g-josh-duggar-sexual-molestation-allegations/


5NEWS requested the incident report from the Washington County Sheriff’s Office and received the following reply from Kelly Cantrell, the sheriff’s office public information officer,:

snipped......
The Sheriff’s Office was responding to a written request by the above cited lawyer.
Various staff handled this request within our office because the request was so broad. Employees from several different areas in our agency such as Dispatch, Records, and our Criminal Investigation Division compiled information and ultimately returned it to the Records Division where over 50 pages were finally copied and mailed to the requestor, Abtin Mehdizadegan. Within those 50 pages was the 7 page report that has now made national news. That report had juvenile names redacted from it before release at the direction of Major Rick Hoyt.

 

[redheart]

I shared the same type of situation growing up. When my dad busted my nose backhanding me one evening, I went to school the next day and bought a joint. I was 12 years old. I started self medicating. This was on the heals of telling my mom that Grandpa was molesting me.
My family was just AWESOME at sweeping crap under the carpet, while sitting in the front pew of the church EVERY FRICKIN' SUNDAY, hey, man, it's all about appearances, doncha know?
The LDS Ward we attended put our dysfunctional family on a pedestal. But ya just don't know what goes on behind closed doors............

Hugs to you, for the hell you've been through, and thanks for the understanding. It's awful and helpful at the same time to know so many others have been through hell.

 

[RR0004]

I need time to really listen to the FOX interview. From what I did her, I heard so much side-stepping (evasive) rhetoric that I want to go statement by statement and interpret all that whitewashing (of Josh's behavior) going on.

 

[JerseyGirl]

When exactly did the girls get "accredited, professional counseling from a counselor", Jim Bob? It had to have been after 2007 because in December 2006 the interviewees all said there had been none other than Josh going away to Little Rock.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I need time to really listen to the FOX interview. From what I did her, I heard so much side-stepping (evasive) rhetoric that I want to go statement by statement and interpret all that whitewashing (of Josh's behavior) going on.

If it's allowed, here is the full recap of last night's interview: http://www.freejinger.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26243

 

[LisaB]

http://okmagazine.com/photos/anna-d...on-scandal-19-kids-counting/photo/1001263071/

 

[LisaB]

Duggar Logic: Jessa's a 'Victim' But Josh Isn't a Molester
http://jezebel.com/duggar-logic-jessas-a-victim-but-josh-isnt-a-molester-1708970023

 

[JerseyGirl]

JimBob last night:

"We knew of a man who mentored young men, who helped young men who made unwise choices in their lives to get straightened out. He was running a training center in Little Rock."

that's right JB, he was young MAN, not a youthful BOY, preying on a 5 year old!!

 

[SCHMAE]

http://www.khou.com/story/life/people/2015/06/04/duggars-interview-reaction/28461321/

Twitter responds to Duggar interview.