AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #2

[believe09]

lots of question and answering, ending with ...



http://www.advocate.com/arts-entert...tions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars

bbm

I love that the reporters went door to door.

Did you read that JB? Your neighbors and your fellow churchgoers told on you.

 

[believe09]

Well, I don't know that we know that. For all we know maybe Josh wishes his parents would shut their pieholes and get out of the spotlight.

At least he isn't going on TV and trying to defend the indefensible.

Fair enough. He is the only one I want to hear from, however. He started this by committing the crimes, he took some responsibility by resigning. He should finish it and then his family can stand down. This story cannot be accurately told without him. And if it was his actions, right his "mistakes" then he should be the one to take on this media storm.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

If you were shiwn that video of the humping and did not know who it was, what would you think?

I would think that this is a guy who molests his kids. I would think this is a guy who makes movies.

It blows my mind

I think if I didn't know who it was AND he wasn't doing it in front of his daughter I would think the behavior inappropriate and idiotic.

What really ups the ick factor is that he's doing it in front of his courting daughter and her suitor. So it is, at the very least, clear that this man has no sense of appropriate boundaries. So what other boundaries might he have crossed? :waitasec:

The other icky thing is that the daughter's boyfriend looks away but the daughter doesn't. Which makes me wonder if this is just par for the course (no pun intended) for the parents' behavior.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Fair enough. He is the only one I want to hear from, however. He started this by committing the crimes, he took some responsibility by resigning. He should finish it and then his family can stand down. This story cannot be accurately told without him. And if it was his actions, right his "mistakes" then he should be the one to take on this media storm.

What do you think he should do? Genuinely curious, not being snarky.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Re: the putt putt golf scene. First off, WOW & WTF ! All of the kooky AOG's in my family are from my mother's side. My dad is what they might refer to as a ' secular' Christian. He doesn't think you have to go to church every Sunday and avoid the opposite sex at all times and we were allowed to wear makeup and jeans and earrings and listen to 'radio' music, etc. He's a very good and honest man and a far better Christian imho than the aforementioned. He knows very clearly what is right and wrong whether or not it is written in the Bible. Had my dad seen JB at the putt putt doing that with us as children in tow, he would have said something to him. " Stop being VULGAR. My kids are here. " So here is a man JB, who judges everyone else while carrying on absolutely in a VULGAR fashion in public and in front of his kids. My own AOG family members would never EVER ever do something so gross within eyesight of another human being. There is something very weird going on with JB Duggar, very weird indeed .

After watching that video clip, it's no wonder Josh (and other Duggar children) got mixed messages regarding sex. It seems they've been continually told to avoid physical contact or do anything that encourages sexual interest in the opposite sex, yet the children saw their parents carry on in an inappropriate manner right in front of them The ultimate "do as I say, not as I do"? JD and MD are DISGUSTING :stormingmad:

 

[Zuri]

IMO Josh is staying mum to avoid civil suits and from further shaming the PAC he worked for. I would bet money that the lobby group has a PR machine in place so they can keep the money rolling in. No doubt here that JD was asked to resign immediately, if not fired. Too much money at stake with a lot of Republican Presidential candidates counting on the money and backing from the FRC.

IF JD had issued a sincere mea culpa, along with his parents, would the reaction to this have been the same? No clue. I am not really sure if any amount of words could have turned this around. IMO

 

[leah]

Lena Dunham was brought up on here before, and I really don't know much about her, I never watch her show, I read what she said she did, think she said 7? Anyway I saw this from Sarah Palin http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-treatment-Duggars-compared-Girls-star.html

 

[LisaB]

I had a conversation with my sister last night. As most of you know, my daughter was molested by her stepfather from age 8 to 10. It has not been an easy life for her, and she still has a lot of issues to work through, even though she is 23½. I left her stepfather in 2002 because I learned he was using crack cocaine, addicted to prescription pain medication, drinking too much, staying out until all hours, driving a "friend" home from her job as a stripper, refusing to get a job, exhibiting violence, and threats of violence directed at me, had an undisclosed, extensive criminal history, including domestic violence, and had previously spent 18 months in a mental health facility (after a string of priate disciplinary schools failed to help him get his act together) I wasn't fully aware of. It was several years before I learned she had been abused, when she began acting out in ways I did not understand.

My entire family said THEY had suspected him all along, felt I have intentionally ignored warning signs I never saw, and not acting sooner. If they had actually suspected him, any of them could either have come to me or contacted the appropriate authorities. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess.

Anyway, back to the aforementioned conversation. My sister now has two kids. Her son is big for his age and very mature intellectually. He is going to be 12 this fall. Her daughter is a tiny wisp of a thing who is 8. I asked if she was familiar with the Duggar scandal and she said she had caught Dr. Drew discussing it. I asked her what she would do if this happened in her home with her kids. They have a HUGE house and there are plenty of opportunities for this sort of thing, since the kids bedrooms are in a separate wing from the parents. They are well off financially, she and her husband are educated and have great jobs, and both are what I think of as good parents if a bit prone to coddling the children.

She told me she would try not to involve outsiders. She is not a member of a church, much less a Quiverfull type cult, she is not religious at all, to be honest, and I doubt her kids have ever been inside a church. They are in their first year of public school after attending a private (non-church) school and receive age appropriate sex education and regular presentations on "bad touch". In no way are they like the Duggars, and IN SPITE OF knowing how messed up my daughter is to this day, my sister would forego counseling for her daughter and counseling/police involvement for her son even if they had had 3 reports of touching under the clothes by sneaking into his sister's bedroom (and three promises to stop).

I still can not believe she would sacrifice her daughter to save a son who had (hypothetically) sexually assaulted her daughter, a girl much younger than he is, numerous times over more than a year, at the ages of 14 and 15. She seems to believe that they could all talk about it and fix it "in-house". She has no sort of training in social work, or counseling, and I doubt she would be equipped to deal with her child's molestation, much less to provide all the help the child would need. I am shocked she would expect her daughter to forgive her son and to have to continue to live in the house with him, eat meals with him, go on vacations with him, etc.

 

[Hoosgirl]

A good article digging into the report release. It has the original FOIA request and also links to a case regarding the release of juvenile info when "proceedings" have not commenced. The fact that Josh was an adult and was not part of any juvenile court proceedings seems pretty clear to me that there was nothing improper in the release, but IANAL of course. Would love to hear Gitana1's thoughts!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoer...ice-report-was-legal-under-arkansa#.yjPwDjQ0n

 

[Donjeta]

How the Duggars built their custom home after family molestation so girls' bedroom is blocked by the master suite - and boys' room where molester son Josh slept is on the other side of the house across a catwalk
Jim Bob and Michelle learned of son Josh's molestation secret in 2002
Four years later, they moved into their new 7,000sq ft Arkansas home
Custom-built house physically separates their boys from their sisters
Girls' and boys' bedrooms are located at opposite ends of second floor
Daughters' one is 'blocked' by parents' master suite, built in front of it
It is also only accessible via highly-visible catwalk over the living room


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Josh-slept-house-catwalk.html#ixzz3cCPhxf20
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Hm but if it's at night and everybody's sleeping, who is going to see Josh sneaking on the catwalk?

 

[Hoosgirl]

How the Duggars built their custom home after family molestation so girls' bedroom is blocked by the master suite - and boys' room where molester son Josh slept is on the other side of the house across a catwalk
Jim Bob and Michelle learned of son Josh's molestation secret in 2002
Four years later, they moved into their new 7,000sq ft Arkansas home
Custom-built house physically separates their boys from their sisters
Girls' and boys' bedrooms are located at opposite ends of second floor
Daughters' one is 'blocked' by parents' master suite, built in front of it
It is also only accessible via highly-visible catwalk over the living room


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Josh-slept-house-catwalk.html#ixzz3cCPhxf20
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Hm but if it's at night and everybody's sleeping, who is going to see Josh sneaking on the catwalk?

Plus there is a spiral staircase with access to the girls room, not just the catwalk.

 

[leah]

LisaB, I'm so sorry for everything you and your daughter went through, maybe your sister said that, because actually confronting such a horrible situation is too much for her to do? I have been thinking about this also, even though I don't have any boys, only two grown girls. Don't want people to think badly about me, I honestly didn't know you had to go to the police. I would have immediately taken my son to a psychiatrist, and would have done whatever I was told, even taking him to two or three doctors if need be. And then if I was told to notify the police, I would be terrified, but would do the right thing. A lot of people don't want outside people interfering with their family, but in cases like this, I can't see why a person would hesitate to take your child to a therapist.

 

[Zuri]

I was thinking about the dynamics of this family and how their lifestyle choices may have influenced JD behavior. The lack of social interaction within the kids peer group, except at church where the philosophy was the same, IMO was a factor. In public school for example, differences between girls and boys gradually become apparent when they Are taught to use the different bathrooms, separate gym classes, sex education etc. The boys generally start to notice the changes in girls bodies, even if they are not exposed to the differences at home. Boys seem to develop an interest in these changes towards the middle/end of Elementary school, which IMO is normal.

Imagine being told "No", to even look at the "forbidden fruit". Most Kids are not allowed to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes in the home as youth and what is one of the first things kids do? They experiment. Where/when/how was JD supposed to experiment? He was cloistered in his home by his parents. WTH were they thinking? Prayer would take the natural, biological curiosity away?

I can't tell you how many times I have said to my kids when they were younger "Look, but don't touch" and it worked half the time lol. JD couldn't even look. I can only imagine the shame he felt when he woke up in the morning with an erection, which most males do, and not understanding why, if indeed that was the case. His only outlet for sexual exploration was his siblings, which his parents had set up to be "surrogate" moms and child care workers.

IMO these kids must have been so confused, especially after watching the mini golf type of behavior. JD did not seem to know where to draw the line between sexually appropriate and inappropriate behavior. The mere fact that this behavior was repeated only leads me to believe that the parents have minimized the incidents to only a few.

I am not excusing JD behavior. "Fondling" the vaginal area of a five year old, let alone the breasts and vaginal areas of his sisters is totally unexceptable, inexcusable and disgusting. I hold his parents totally accountable. They set this scenario up and IMO were delusional to think molestation would never happen because they preached it. Just like our kids maybe will never try alcohol, or smoke weed, or a cigarette before age 21. IMO

 

[Tony1902]

I know nothing of Arkansas law, but since their home is a 'church' doesn't that make JBD clergy? And since they're home-schooled, isn't MD the educator? California law is adamant: the moment a student says 'this or that happened to me by so & so' everything drops.

It happened to me. One of my 3rd graders came in & said '_____ to me' I dropped the book I was handing to another student, the aide said oh God, I'm heading to the office right now, the principal called the police, school district psychologist & social worker. Had I done otherwise I would have been subject to fines, inprisonment, & loss of license.

 

[Irisha]

Lena Dunham was brought up on here before, and I really don't know much about her, I never watch her show, I read what she said she did, think she said 7? Anyway I saw this from Sarah Palin http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-treatment-Duggars-compared-Girls-star.html

Why can't Palin just STHU . Really, does anyone care what Sarah or Bristals opinions are? Bristals un-engagement sure got swept under the rug.IMO


As for Lena, never seen her show, don't know much about her, but I think Palin took what Lena wrote out of context. Only issue I have with Lena is her fugly choice's of dresses she wears to award shows.

 

[SCHMAE]

I cannot stop thinking about this grotesque mini golf situation. It's truly sickening. I would venture to say almost all non religious people would find that behavior IMMORAL. Futher that , I'm sure many homosexuals would find that behavior IMMORAL. There is nothing Godly or Biblical about simulating sex in public and in front of children. It's absolutely sickening behavior. I have been to many MANY throw down, drink all night parties with folks the Duggars would certainly have on pitchforks and I have never, not even at 2 a.m. seen any person do this, not even in jest. The most outrageous ' vulgar' if you will act may have been a slap on the butt to someone passing and typically that was the spouse or SO of the slapper. I'm shocked and I'm not. What in the he** is up with JimBobDuggar? Why are you worried about the " WHOLE FAMILY" being investigated? What gives ?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ JBD is an exhibitionist. :moo:

ETA: If Michelle Duggar had an ounce of common sense, she'd realize that JimBob has absolutely no respect for her. To JB, M is nothing more than a pumping post and incubator for their super-sized brood. A common concubine. Every time I see a video clip of her looking adoringly at her husband, I want to uke:

 

[JerseyGirl]

Dear #lgbt America: On behalf of us straight people, I apologize for #Duggars and #DuggarInterview ~ how dare they say ur dangerous to kids
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) June 4, 2015

'You abused 4 of your sisters & another young girl, Josh? Great! We'll make you a TV star!' #TheDisgustingDuggars
— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) June 4, 2015

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...x-scandal-fox-news-second-interview/28529587/

 

[kdgdid]

I also wonder why JB was allowed to speak LE for JDtheP[love the initials] when JDtheP was an adult.

More than one attorney. And they refused to take the case. In fact, iirc, one of the attorney's called Springdale and told them that they had no part of defending the guy and had not been retained. However, JB left a VM indicating that Josh had an atty and wouldnt be surrendering himself for questioning.

The girls had to talk about it however.

So riddle me this-why wasnt Josh allowed to give a statement and confess all to police? My guess is that it had to do with what he had to say. And there is much more than what the girls and M and JB shared...I would stake money on it.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917

3) Jim Bob suggested the records of Josh’s crimes were released because the Springdale police chief, Kathy O’Kelley, may have taken a bribe. The records were obtained through Arkansas' Freedom of Information Act, which is one of the most liberal open records laws in the country, according to the state’s attorney general.

In Touch has a paper trail that proves city attorneys reviewed the FOI request and approved the records' release. Further, Jim Bob’s “bribe or personal agenda” explanation for the records' release loses all credibility in light of the fact that a SECOND police report detailing Josh’s crimes was obtained by In Touch magazine through FOIA.

I missed where he said that the police chief had taken a bribe but it seems slanderous to me.

Not to mention un-Christian:

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Exodus 20:16