AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[Bravo]

I have searched but have not found a thing as to how Josh is supporting himself and his Family since returning to Arkansas. I would think some kind of work for Jim Bob???

 

[Donjeta]

He was a young kid when he did that and I am not excusing it. I don't know what happened but I do believe the girls and they say they were unaware of it until being told.

The ones who were sleeping may have been but I'm pretty sure the five year old who got her pants pulled and Josh put his hand under her skirt was awake and knew what happened.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This is one area I will agree with you (sorta).

The control the parents and the religion, for some, people is really strong. Especially if you still sorta believe. Its strong and you feel you are condemning your soul. The other side is you totally risk shunning from your entire believing family and friends.

Walking away is very difficult but not impossible many have done it. Some loose family and friends and for others family and friends don't "shun" as strictly as they are supposed to.

I think the problem is that they are probably supporting him and his family.. The thing is this whole screwed up dynamic will make Anna feel horrible if she even has the thought of leaving. She has been endoctrinated also to be obedient to what their parents have told them. So she will not have the freedom to leave if she chooses. She will probably be made to feel she is sinning if she even considers it.

I have to say at one time I used to really enjoy this "family" show.. But the more I look at it and all that has come out of it, I just see it as a cult. A cult of a different color.

 

[human]

Here is my nickel and a half. I think when you raise children in a completely sexually repressed household this is what happens. You make monsters.

It is one thing to tell your children that the bible says to save yourself for marriage it is another thing to completely repress the sexual side of your child. To make them act in the confines of something that is not natural in the least.

Had Josh gotten proper sexual training growing up, understood biology and normalcy and what happens with the opposite sex and had the opportunity to date normally and kiss girls and enjoy his budding sexuality as opposed to repressing it, I think this would be a completely different story.

I think the touching is a problem, and shows what and how he grew up. I think the cheating shows that he just wanted to see what was out there and have an experience that was not preordained for him. I can not fault him for that.

I am not mad at him. I feel like he was pressured by his parents to be a certain way and knew he was not that way but still wanted to live in their approval. Now he has 4 kids and the world knows he has cheated. That stinks for anyone.

I believe in this case, His parents and the way they have raised their kids are mostly responsible for his issues.

I am not one to blame parents but in this case I see a direct link.

I think there is a whole lot more going on that we may not know or understand.

I think most of us have been raised with the concept of not stealing, to tell the truth, to not kill.

Some maybe go steal or kill to see what it is all about but those people have issues. Generally, people are not doing it.

If he was living a celibate life, then I could see him wanting to go experiment, But he has made a commitment to a person he"loves".

It is like seeing a car or a candy bar you really want. You know you cannot have it, He just plain does not care. He has wants and he is going to have them.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think there is a whole lot more going on that we may not know or understand.

I think most of us have been raised with the concept of not stealing, to tell the truth, to not kill.

Some maybe go steal or kill to see what it is all about but those people have issues. Generally, people are not doing it.

If he was living a celibate life, then I could see him wanting to go experiment, But he has made a commitment to a person he"loves".

It is like seeing a car or a candy bar you really want. You know you cannot have it, He just plain does not care. He has wants and he is going to have them.

But this is a not a free will child that grew to an adult making choices for himself. Is he still responsible? Sure, But I can still see the impact his life has had on him.
He had no choices. None. He had to sneak and cover to get what he wanted out of life. He had no option to ask for a divorce when he realized this marriage was not what he wanted. He had no options to choose a wife he saw one day at the mall or date and hold hands and kiss and see what it would feel like.
I can see why he would then cover and duck again looking for love and affection and sex of his choosing.
I can not fault him for that.
He made bad choices but I can see where it is coming from.
He is living with the choices he made now. He will live with the fall out and the devastation. I worry that he will become suicidal in all this.
To have your life and all your mistakes thrown out there, is really a huge burden.

I think the best thing for him would be to be away from his family and in some facility with licensed counselors to help him.

He had a crappy life. A repressed life. Even the Amish get a choice to stay or leave and to go experience life before they choose.

 

[LaneGirl]

I think there is a whole lot more going on that we may not know or understand.

I think most of us have been raised with the concept of not stealing, to tell the truth, to not kill.

Some maybe go steal or kill to see what it is all about but those people have issues. Generally, people are not doing it.

If he was living a celibate life, then I could see him wanting to go experiment, But he has made a commitment to a person he"loves".

It is like seeing a car or a candy bar you really want. You know you cannot have it, He just plain does not care. He has wants and he is going to have them.

That is right! Had he not been raised in this family/religion he would have not been forced to marry so quickly could have gone out and had "candy" to his hearts content or discontent however one looks at it.

He still could being raised in this family/religion but he chose the path he thought wouldn't be discovered (selfish).

 

[LaneGirl]

But this is a not a free will child that grew to an adult making choices for himself. Is he still responsible? Sure, But I can still see the impact his life has had on him.
He had no choices. None. He had to sneak and cover to get what he wanted out of life. He had no option to ask for a divorce when he realized this marriage was not what he wanted. He had no options to choose a wife he saw one day at the mall or date and hold hands and kiss and see what it would feel like.
I can see why he would then cover and duck again looking for love and affection and sex of his choosing.
I can not fault him for that.
He made bad choices but I can see where it is coming from.
He is living with the choices he made now. He will live with the fall out and the devastation. I worry that he will become suicidal in all this.
To have your life and all your mistakes thrown out there, is really a huge burden.

I think the best thing for him would be to be away from his family and in some facility with licensed counselors to help him.

He had a crappy life. A repressed life. Even the Amish get a choice to stay or leave and to go experience life before they choose.

But he could have left. It would have been HARD and he would have suffered consequences of potential lost family/friends.

He choose the path of least resistance...lie, cheat then ask for forgiveness if caught (I'm sure he's doing this now plenty). Which his wife and family will forgive because of their religion.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I can't justify his behavior with the "omg poor little thing see he grew up with fundies as parents he couldn't know better". I call BS. If he had lived in the FLDS compound, apart from regular society, without access to TV, news, internet; ok, I'll buy it. But this pervert KNEW what he was doing was wrong in the eyes of men and in the eyes of his god. He KNEW. And so did his parents. And they all chose to shoosh it and sweep under the rug for years.

Not only that, the then went on to bash people for their life choices (or even non-choices, as folks' sexual orientations) while working for the right wingnut Family Research Council, spread hate and sit on a moral high horse WHILE KNOWINGLY doing all kinds of 'ungodly' stuff. I simply will not excuse him. No way Jose.

Seems we -me included- are a little too focused on this pedophile [because he is one by his/his parents own admissions] and his parents, and less focused on the innocent CHILDREN he molested. His own sisters. What about them? Have they been removed from a home that allowed them to be violated? No. Are they being given a chance to escape this cycle of stupidity and fundamentalism? No. Sad state of affairs.

Love y'all, hugs and xoxoxo.

 

[Bravo]

It's the molesting that has me the most disturbed. Still. I worry for the Girls and how they really processed. Deep down. Repressed the acts and then the Forgiveness they were brainwashed into? IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

But he could have left. It would have been HARD and he would have suffered consequences of potential lost family/friends.

He choose the path of least resistance...lie, cheat then ask for forgiveness if caught (I'm sure he's doing this now plenty). Which his wife and family will forgive because of their religion.

He really couldn't. We think as we like. We have not been endocrinated though I have friends that have been. It is just not that easy.
I don't believe that he alone is responsible for his behavior as a young teen. I am okay if people don't agree with me but I believe he had a lot of help and influence.
When you repress natural urges in a boy and tell him he is bad or wrong or going to hell you make him secret things.

It is learned behavior as a child.

He had an affair and that is sad and wrong. But I still believe his upbringing all the secrets he had to hold or be scolded or damned or whatever... played a huge part in his malfunctions.

 

[Cardinal47]

I have a very hard time believing these young girls were unaware Josh was molesting them. I think they were sugar coating it. IMO

Oh I agree. I think that's a line used frequently. "I don't remember". Sigh.

Honestly I don't blame them. It's their out and perhaps will help them as victims move on without a million questions and memories.

 

[Cardinal47]

This is one area I will agree with you (sorta).

The control the parents and the religion, for some, people is really strong. Especially if you still sorta believe. Its strong and you feel you are condemning your soul. The other side is you totally risk shunning from your entire believing family and friends.

Walking away is very difficult but not impossible many have done it. Some loose family and friends and for others family and friends don't "shun" as strictly as they are supposed to.

I think nobody walked away because TLC was the money tree that kept on giving and who would want to give that up?

TLC was the tie that bound them altogether.

MOO

 

[Frigga]

I think nobody walked away because TLC was the money tree that kept on giving and who would want to give that up?

TLC was the tie that bound them altogether.

MOO

... and how sick is that? Ratings? Money? What have we become, as a society in general? I am about to rid my house of television entirely- we are already pretty close.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

... and how sick is that? Ratings? Money? What have we become, as a society in general? I am about to rid my house of television entirely- we are already pretty close.

Be careful.. That is how the Duggars live..

I think that the problem is that wiping something out entirely is never the answer but being discriminating is the best course in anything.

I hate reality tv. I don't see any upside too it. But yet when the RHONY come on there I am ...

 

[Inthedetails]

I think nobody walked away because TLC was the money tree that kept on giving and who would want to give that up?

TLC was the tie that bound them altogether.

MOO

I'm tending to agree with you here. I think they worked themselves into a corner. Josh and Anna will not divorce, not only because of their religion (which is the main reason they will stay together) but also because they are a family of six (at last count), and it takes a steady income to support a family in one household. I don't think they can afford to support two households with their limited job prospects at the moment. So, they'll stay together for the same reason many couples stay together - it's too expensive to split up.

Again, they'll stay together mainly because of the expectations of their culture, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they try to solve their problems with another tv show. (I'm thinking it won't fly as sponsors won't want to touch it, but stranger things have happened.)

JMO at the moment.

 

[bluesneakers]

He really couldn't It seems really easy to say that but you have no idea how repressed and under control he is. Look at his statement. It is with his parents. He has never been able to break away. He is dominated still by them.

He managed to find ways to escape their domination. They were easy though, and kept him rich, holier-than-thou, admired, and the center of attention. Leaving and striking out on his own would have been hard, lonely, and not as lucrative. Poor guy might not have even been able to afford his AM accounts.

 

[Paulas88]

Be careful.. That is how the Duggars live..

I think that the problem is that wiping something out entirely is never the answer but being discriminating is the best course in anything.

I hate reality tv. I don't see any upside too it. But yet when the RHONY come on there I am ...

Interesting, on JD's AM profile, he said he didn't watch tv much, just some reality shows (?) and classic movies.

 

[Bravo]

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[bluesneakers]

... and how sick is that? Ratings? Money? What have we become, as a society in general? I am about to rid my house of television entirely- we are already pretty close.

OT: We cancelled cable a year ago. Now I watch sports, a few shows, and movies on the net, but it's always an intentional choice and not whatever crap happens to be on. We used to watch 3ish hours/day (I'm ashamed to admit that) but now days go by without watching anything, and I don't miss it at all. I have no regrets! Go for it!

 

[Cardinal47]

I'm tending to agree with you here. I think they worked themselves into a corner. Josh and Anna will not divorce, not only because of their religion (which is the main reason they will stay together) but also because they are a family of six (at last count), and it takes a steady income to support a family in one household. I don't think they can afford to support two households with their limited job prospects at the moment. So, they'll stay together for the same reason many couples stay together - it's too expensive to split up.

Again, they'll stay together mainly because of the expectations of their culture, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they try to solve their problems with another tv show. (I'm thinking it won't fly as sponsors won't want to touch it, but stranger things have happened.)

JMO at the moment.

Well they almost had a start up with the program TLC was going to sponsor with the two married Dugger girls. No sponsors just TLC.

I figured that was a foot in the door to see how it went. Then they would branch out..little by little.

However with what has happened and I am thinking 'more to come' all bets are off for the present time.

But for the Duggers 'Hope Springs Eternal'!